Official 2016-2017 Gear Rumor Thread

Armada is being super protective it would seem. I've only been able to find vids on the invictus series, the new arv series, and the women's victa series. Nothing on any of the deep snow skis. And absolutely nothing on the rumored zero line of skis with carbon.
 
13620026:.[sanhedrin said:
.]Armada is being super protective it would seem. I've only been able to find vids on the invictus series, the new arv series, and the women's victa series. Nothing on any of the deep snow skis. And absolutely nothing on the rumored zero line of skis with carbon.
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same story every year. they fight to minimise the amount of info about their skis before release. in some sort of effort to build hype or more likely to protect this years sales, never really understood it.

I also dont like companies that keep you totally in the dark about what goes into their skis, usually the bigger ones. Probably as they can skimp on materials and still call them the same generic name as better quality materials. It's why i would rather buy from companies standing by their quality material choices.
 
Can anyone who went to SIA let me know if Moment had a booth there? If so, how did next year's Governors look? Any changes?
 
13620242:Nippletron said:
Can anyone who went to SIA let me know if Moment had a booth there? If so, how did next year's Governors look? Any changes?
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Go to the moment website they already have it all on the front page.
 
13620270:-WZ- said:
Any update on this years Salomon? Boots?
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Many lab remains unchanged but there is a woman's version too now. The quest pro boots have been completly redesigned to be much more MTN lab like. The ghost is gone other then the ghost fs100. The xpro and x max boots are still the main all mnt boots.
 
13620266:Pachankz said:
Go to the moment website they already have it all on the front page.
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I am already aware of their preview page at mmntskis.com however somewhere in this thread, or maybe over at TGR, they said this is of course not their full lineup for next season (missing the Ghost Train, Frakenski, etc,). So I was just curious as to whether they had a booth at SIA (can't find anything online) and if anyone happened to stop by and pass on some info on next years Governor's, etc.
 
13619543:cydwhit said:
Currently sitting and typing this in the Fischer Traverse carbon.

HOLY CRAP.

Lighter than the Backland, seems like it has a higher cuff. INSANE range of motion, that claimed 80 degrees is much more ROM than my ankles actually have.

I am going to run up a mountain tomorrow.

Still need to see how the way down will be though.
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Please divulge every single piece of info you can think of. I have very high hopes for this boot and so the more you share the better.
 
13620467:.[sanhedrin said:
.]Please divulge every single piece of info you can think of. I have very high hopes for this boot and so the more you share the better.
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Hahaha, I do not get it, this is not a typical NS boot at all.

Pretty sure it's most competitive with the TLT7 and the Backland. Super freaking light (lighter than the Backland, about the same as the claimed for the TLT7)

It will walk uphill very well, I was freaking running around and doing yoga in it last night. I'll get a backland on my foot and see if there is any difference there, but I bet they walk very similarly, as in, way more range of motion than I need at all, which is sick.

I am willing to bet that I won't unbuckle them to walk, it will just be too loose, and the way the walk mode is designed is totally independent from any buckle

The whole liner, shell cutout, built in gaiter thing is pretty dang slick, but I'll save details on that for the review.

Boa closure is pretty slick as well, we'll see what happens when I try to jam my PowerWraps in there, probably won't fit. And I probably won't want them, because the liner just walks so incredibly well and....

At first try on the liner is way better than the TransAlp, we'll see if that holds true.

I need to go on a bunch of long days in GTNP though to actually get a feel for this thing.
 
13619889:sammy_JJ said:
Next year there are no more Rossi Bindings. Everything is now branded under the Look Bindings Brand interesting to see if the Orange FKS is still around
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Does anyone know if they will still be making the Pivot 14 with the alpine toe? The pics I saw from SIA only showed them with the WTR toe
 
13620481:cydwhit said:
Hahaha, I do not get it, this is not a typical NS boot at all.

Pretty sure it's most competitive with the TLT7 and the Backland. Super freaking light (lighter than the Backland, about the same as the claimed for the TLT7)

It will walk uphill very well, I was freaking running around and doing yoga in it last night. I'll get a backland on my foot and see if there is any difference there, but I bet they walk very similarly, as in, way more range of motion than I need at all, which is sick.

I am willing to bet that I won't unbuckle them to walk, it will just be too loose, and the way the walk mode is designed is totally independent from any buckle

The whole liner, shell cutout, built in gaiter thing is pretty dang slick, but I'll save details on that for the review.

Boa closure is pretty slick as well, we'll see what happens when I try to jam my PowerWraps in there, probably won't fit. And I probably won't want them, because the liner just walks so incredibly well and....

At first try on the liner is way better than the TransAlp, we'll see if that holds true.

I need to go on a bunch of long days in GTNP though to actually get a feel for this thing.
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No - not your typical NS boot at all. But I'm becoming way more interested in comfortable lightweight gear as I get older.

I will be anxiously waiting the full review. But real quick - what skis do you plan to use with them? I ask because a real problem with super lightweight boots is the inability to drive any ski which isn't a super lightweight carbon nanotube ski. Your feedback on what the boots' capabilities are on a variety of skis would be helpful.

(Obviously it will work best the lighter the setup is - but if you happen to have a wider ski laying around with tech bindings, give it a go too)
 
13620667:.[sanhedrin said:
.]No - not your typical NS boot at all. But I'm becoming way more interested in comfortable lightweight gear as I get older.

I will be anxiously waiting the full review. But real quick - what skis do you plan to use with them? I ask because a real problem with super lightweight boots is the inability to drive any ski which isn't a super lightweight carbon nanotube ski. Your feedback on what the boots' capabilities are on a variety of skis would be helpful.

(Obviously it will work best the lighter the setup is - but if you happen to have a wider ski laying around with tech bindings, give it a go too)
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Totally agree, and I sort of hate those kinds of skis.

Garuntee I'll be on steeple 102's with speed turns, maybe on sick day 102's with kingpins, G3 zenoxide with ions, trying to get on the KF tours lite, and probably a few inbounds runs on shreditor 112s with ions just to get a really good idea of how they do.
 
13619889:sammy_JJ said:
Next year there are no more Rossi Bindings. Everything is now branded under the Look Bindings Brand interesting to see if the Orange FKS is still around
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yeah i just heard this. I wonder what will be on rossi system skis. i'd be willing to bet they still brand those with rossignol. but it is a big move to completely drop their binding line...
 
13620959:skidemon22 said:
but it is a big move to completely drop their binding line...
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I was mad when I heard this news awhile ago because usually I think rossi looks better than look. but at least the godawful green and white pivots are now just all white.
 
Trew is completely out of the retail model hence no presence at SIA or any tradeshow for that matter. I've been following them on Instagram and they drop new pieces somewhat regularly.
 
13620113:razors-chaz said:
same story every year. they fight to minimise the amount of info about their skis before release. in some sort of effort to build hype or more likely to protect this years sales, never really understood it.

I also dont like companies that keep you totally in the dark about what goes into their skis, usually the bigger ones. Probably as they can skimp on materials and still call them the same generic name as better quality materials. It's why i would rather buy from companies standing by their quality material choices.
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Actually this year we opened the booth and gave product videos to anyone who asked. The only reason you haven't seen anything about the Zero series is that our reps samples weren't quite ready yet, so rather than half ass it we just decided to not include them at the show. A detailed list of every Zero ski has already been posted in this thread, but if you've got any questions feel free to ask, there's nothing to hide.
 
13621365:loganimlach said:
Actually this year we opened the booth and gave product videos to anyone who asked. The only reason you haven't seen anything about the Zero series is that our reps samples weren't quite ready yet, so rather than half ass it we just decided to not include them at the show. A detailed list of every Zero ski has already been posted in this thread, but if you've got any questions feel free to ask, there's nothing to hide.
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What lengths are the 106 coming in?
 
13620534:coldsmoke20 said:
Does anyone know if they will still be making the Pivot 14 with the alpine toe? The pics I saw from SIA only showed them with the WTR toe
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Yes they still are, had a look at the today. All the good colours are in the WTR version, and simple white is in the aline version
 
13621438:sammy_JJ said:
Yes they still are, had a look at the today. All the good colours are in the WTR version, and simple white is in the aline version
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good to hear, white is tits, hated ugly ass ones like the white green and blue ones.
 
13621365:loganimlach said:
Actually this year we opened the booth and gave product videos to anyone who asked. The only reason you haven't seen anything about the Zero series is that our reps samples weren't quite ready yet, so rather than half ass it we just decided to not include them at the show. A detailed list of every Zero ski has already been posted in this thread, but if you've got any questions feel free to ask, there's nothing to hide.
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Fair enough. My experience of ISPO has been that the reps on the booth were antsy about any photography. NS own Twig said something to the same effect about this year but thanks for being open to questions. Cheeky but...any chance of seeing a catalogue? Also I've seen a few times now that there is a perceived delam issue with the al dente and another ski coming out the blizzard factory. Is this real/known and I'm sure plenty kids will want to know if it's been addressed? Is the carbon in the zero range pre-prey (a la DPS I believe) or a regular lay-up? Are we likely to see recognisable design aspects from your own diyskis soon?
 
wow JJ zero's look very interesting. Wonder how much of an impact the carbon will have on how it skis because touring with a JJ that's that much lighter would be awesome.
 
13621766:japanada said:
Wow what shitty reviews. Tell us some damn stats.
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I agree. Absolutely no mention of weight anywhere yet on all tradeshow coverage. But it was something (porn) to watch to hold me over.
 
13621820:patagonialuke said:
wow JJ zero's look very interesting. Wonder how much of an impact the carbon will have on how it skis because touring with a JJ that's that much lighter would be awesome.
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Agreed, really excited for some more in depth reviews to come out on them
 
13620667:.[sanhedrin said:
.]No - not your typical NS boot at all. But I'm becoming way more interested in comfortable lightweight gear as I get older.

I will be anxiously waiting the full review. But real quick - what skis do you plan to use with them? I ask because a real problem with super lightweight boots is the inability to drive any ski which isn't a super lightweight carbon nanotube ski. Your feedback on what the boots' capabilities are on a variety of skis would be helpful.

(Obviously it will work best the lighter the setup is - but if you happen to have a wider ski laying around with tech bindings, give it a go too)
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13620689:cydwhit said:
Totally agree, and I sort of hate those kinds of skis.

Garuntee I'll be on steeple 102's with speed turns, maybe on sick day 102's with kingpins, G3 zenoxide with ions, trying to get on the KF tours lite, and probably a few inbounds runs on shreditor 112s with ions just to get a really good idea of how they do.
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I skied a few runs on them at SIA On Snow, using 174 Steeple 98s with Ion 12s. Mostly bumps and crud with a little pow and I do remember spinning a 3 for good measure.

The 100mm last delivers right from the get go, and god damn does the range of motion feel nice. Boa with rollers is the right move, though people tend to ask about how I was wearing a mountaineering boot. The upper buckle sticks out a bit in walk mode, not as much as the old TLT5, but still out there some. The sole length in a 26.5 was even shorter than my TLT6, so that was impressive. The independent walk lever/upper cuff gives you more options to customize what's going on in the mountains, and I like that.

Flex wise, it feels like my TLT6s with no tongues when I drive it super hard forward, but the pressure on my shin was concentrated because of the narrow upper section of the cuff. Dynafit got around this on the TLT6 by putting a wider, stiffer pad on the liner to help spread the pressure, and I think that'd be a helpful addition to the Traverse. On the other hand, it's stiff as a rock when you lean back, so there's plenty of support if you get bucked backseat.

Some people might not like that it only has a power strap up top. A buckle backed up with a strap would be my call. No room to add a Booster strap.

Edge to edge it was fine, and I bet it would ski powder nicely. It's a solid addition to the TLT6/Backland/F1 world.

I'd be happy skiing bigger skis in good snow, but if you're coming from a bigger boot background, it will suffer on the hard stuff.
 
13621294:.[sanhedrin said:
.]Trew is completely out of the retail model hence no presence at SIA or any tradeshow for that matter. I've been following them on Instagram and they drop new pieces somewhat regularly.
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What does out of the retail model mean ?
 
13622249:Pachankz said:
What does out of the retail model mean ?
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In this case I would imagine that they are going to sell directly to the consumer, as opposed to have retailers buy The product and then sell it themselves. This way, you can make a larger margin in each item sold, as you make the full difference of the price-sold-at vs. cost, as opposed to wholesale-price vs. cost

This could be totally wrong but that is what I'm think trew is going for
 
13621387:T.O. said:
What lengths are the 106 coming in?
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172, 180, 188

13621514:razors-chaz said:
Fair enough. My experience of ISPO has been that the reps on the booth were antsy about any photography. NS own Twig said something to the same effect about this year but thanks for being open to questions. Cheeky but...any chance of seeing a catalogue? Also I've seen a few times now that there is a perceived delam issue with the al dente and another ski coming out the blizzard factory. Is this real/known and I'm sure plenty kids will want to know if it's been addressed? Is the carbon in the zero range pre-prey (a la DPS I believe) or a regular lay-up? Are we likely to see recognisable design aspects from your own diyskis soon?
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Can't speak as to how it was at ISPO, but I know over here we were fine with any photos, reviews and videos that people wanted to take.

If you actually look at the percentage of Dollo's that come back they're no higher than any other ski in our line (other than the TST, which was due to a back flooding ink issue and has been addressed).

All of our skis run prepreg glass systems with carbon tapes when it's applicable. The JJ zero actually doesn't have any carbon, it's a caruba (paulownia) core and glass. I was apprehensive to try it because super light skis can be "nervous", but I was actually pleasantly surprised with them. I skied them with kingpins just as hard as I would ski on anything and they were stable and moderately damp for something that light, not chattery at all like you can see with some full carbon skis.

None of my skis will be in the line til '17-'18

13621820:patagonialuke said:
wow JJ zero's look very interesting. Wonder how much of an impact the carbon will have on how it skis because touring with a JJ that's that much lighter would be awesome.
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See above
 
13622214:Literature said:
I skied a few runs on them at SIA On Snow, using 174 Steeple 98s with Ion 12s. Mostly bumps and crud with a little pow and I do remember spinning a 3 for good measure.

The 100mm last delivers right from the get go, and god damn does the range of motion feel nice. Boa with rollers is the right move, though people tend to ask about how I was wearing a mountaineering boot. The upper buckle sticks out a bit in walk mode, not as much as the old TLT5, but still out there some. The sole length in a 26.5 was even shorter than my TLT6, so that was impressive. The independent walk lever/upper cuff gives you more options to customize what's going on in the mountains, and I like that.

Flex wise, it feels like my TLT6s with no tongues when I drive it super hard forward, but the pressure on my shin was concentrated because of the narrow upper section of the cuff. Dynafit got around this on the TLT6 by putting a wider, stiffer pad on the liner to help spread the pressure, and I think that'd be a helpful addition to the Traverse. On the other hand, it's stiff as a rock when you lean back, so there's plenty of support if you get bucked backseat.

Some people might not like that it only has a power strap up top. A buckle backed up with a strap would be my call. No room to add a Booster strap.

Edge to edge it was fine, and I bet it would ski powder nicely. It's a solid addition to the TLT6/Backland/F1 world.

I'd be happy skiing bigger skis in good snow, but if you're coming from a bigger boot background, it will suffer on the hard stuff.
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Boner

Any chance you've also skied the Backland Carbon from Atomic and could compare the two?

I was slightly bummed to find out that the Traverse Carbon will not be a Vaccuum Fit shell. And that is what makes me gravitate towards the Backland. But the Backland's cuff is very low. Did this seem to be the case with the Traverse?

Thanks for the write up.
 
13620689:cydwhit said:
Totally agree, and I sort of hate those kinds of skis.

Garuntee I'll be on steeple 102's with speed turns, maybe on sick day 102's with kingpins, G3 zenoxide with ions, trying to get on the KF tours lite, and probably a few inbounds runs on shreditor 112s with ions just to get a really good idea of how they do.
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Consider the kufo from armada. I just mounted the kingpin on the 2017 kufo 103 and it handles everything Better than expected. Very stable ski for weighing in at sub 1500g
 
13622321:.[sanhedrin said:
.]Boner

Any chance you've also skied the Backland Carbon from Atomic and could compare the two?

I was slightly bummed to find out that the Traverse Carbon will not be a Vaccuum Fit shell. And that is what makes me gravitate towards the Backland. But the Backland's cuff is very low. Did this seem to be the case with the Traverse?

Thanks for the write up.
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I meant to get on the Backland and ran out of time--I need to fix that.

I've heard numerous accounts of the Fischer Vacuum shells exploding on people in cold temps, so I'd be pretty wary of that in a backcountry boot. Plus, with the 100mm last, you've got to have Scarpa feet (or still worse, BD feet) to not fit into that.

Cuff height did feel low, but I'd say it was on par with the TLT6/TLT7 that I'd skied before.

Coming to these lightweight boots from an alpine background, they're all more flimsy feeling and certainly more purpose driven towards the up. I tend to look at that as a challenge to ski them perfectly rather than a drawback.
 
13622321:.[sanhedrin said:
.]Boner

Any chance you've also skied the Backland Carbon from Atomic and could compare the two?

I was slightly bummed to find out that the Traverse Carbon will not be a Vaccuum Fit shell. And that is what makes me gravitate towards the Backland. But the Backland's cuff is very low. Did this seem to be the case with the Traverse?

Thanks for the write up.
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For all intensive purposes a Backland Carbon can be treated as a TLT6p (black w/ CL liner). They weigh the same, ski the same and pretty much fit the same. The only distinct differences is how smooth a Backland tours, and the TLT single buckle walk mode deal.

A Backland Carbon Light is lower on the leg, softer, and lighter. Kinda like a TLT7.
 
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