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By Mike Murphy's standards this should be a 4 game suspension. The hit was clean but late and taking advantage of a player in a vulnerable position.

Mike Murphy is the man who delivered the 4 game suspension to Rome. Fuck the NHL and fuck Boston.
 
The only stat, and i mean the ONLY stat that matters is that the series is tied 3-3

1 game left, winner takes all. After the next game, no matter who the winner is, every other fucking stat will be forgotten by everyone except for people looking for excuses.
 
I was at the Bertuzzi incident game, and the fans were booing the fact that Bertuzzi got kicked out, as Steve Moore lay on the ice with three fractured neck vertebrae. Super classy.
 
shot down by menino. guess they're wasn't enough time to prepare for it. lame. oh well, still going to one of the greatest hockey bars on the south shore for the occasion.
tomorrow will be one hell of a long day....
LET'S GO BRUINS. BELIEVE. I wanna see kaberle get another point!
 
same. you knew it was gonna be a good night when kaberle's shot from the point made it in, with just a lil help from ryder. I've sworn at him a bunch in the post season but last night I got kind of stoked on him. I hope he brings it for game 7.lucic stepped it up last night as well, but i still want to see more from krejci. he can play better, even if he did get a goal last game, he can do better.
 
Boychuk's hit wasn't late, he initiated contact with Raymond when the puck was sliding under him so the fact that Raymond didn't touch the puck is absolutely irrelevant. Just because he slowly rode him into the boards as a result of that contact doesn't in any way make the hit late or an interference call. The reason that Boychuk's can be called finishing the check and Rome's can't is because Boychuk initiated contact when Raymond was standing directly over the puck.

Considering it wasn't even a penalty in the first place, using this as an example of how inconsistent the league is (which I agree with you it can be) is ridiculous.
 
are you fucking done yet? jesus christ. i'll put up with your bullshit for a little while but fuck man, it's getting annoying now. Rome got suspended. that's that. he exploded into horton well after he released the puck.

Boychuk and Raymond coasted into the fucking boards. they were tangled up, Boychuk didn't take advantage of a player in a vulnerable position, nor did he show intent to injure. Raymond got caught in an awkward position. shut the fuck up now. Boychuk in no way deserves a suspension and you're fucking rambling about mike murphy means nothing. the fact of the matter is you weren't in the disciplinary meeting between the NHL and Rome, so you don't know exactly what went on regardless of what they might say to us over fucking Sportscenter.

Fuck you and fuck the motherfucking prima-donna Canucks.

 
rresponsible coverage leads to irresponsible fan behaviour

http://vansunsportsblogs.com/topics/hockey/passittobulis/

In the first period of last night’s game, while Mason Raymond and Johnny Boychuk raced for a loose puck, Boychuk hooked Raymond,

spun him into an awkward position — in which Raymond’s head was tucked

between Boychuk’s legs — and drove him tailbone-first into the boards.

The impact of the hit broke Mason Raymond’s back. He has not yet been released from the hospital.

Now that’s just what happened. If I were to editorialize, I’d suggest

that Boychuk did this on purpose, that the play was premeditated, or

that he targeted Mason Raymond’s spine. Of course, there’s no way of

actually determining this, and it would be pretty unreasonable,

unprofessional, and irresponsible to make such a claim.

That in mind, I’m not going to suggest it.

Also, I don’t particularly believe it. From my vantage point, Boychuk is guilty of interference (Kerry Fraser agrees with me), and he’s guilty of hitting a player late and in a vulnerable position.

(That said, by the NHL rulebook, it’s not suspension-worthy, unless,

say, you’re punishing to the injury, which Mike Murphy admitted to on

the Horton hit, meaning that, by his most recent precedent-free and

therefore precedent-setting punishment, it actually is

suspension-worthy. This is why, for future reference, you don’t punish

to the injury. That may also be why, for future reference, you don’t

have an interim guy in charge of discipline in the Stanley Cup Final and why you don’t try to set precedents in the Stanley Cup Final. But these are separate issues, unfortunately.)

Late and dirty though Boychuk’s hit on Raymond might have been, my

opinion is that he didn’t target Raymond’s spine; he just wasn’t really

thinking. If Boychuk were smarter, he would have eased up once he

realized Raymond was vulnerable, but he committed to the hit without

considering that, and an unfortunate accident resulted.

What astounds me is that this is also the prevailing public opinion.

Most people are willing to give Boychuk the benefit of the doubt. Most

agree it was just an “awkward play”, as Mike Murphy said in the issued

statement that announced no suspension.

I hate to return to the issue of unfair coverage, but I simply want to know: where was the benefit of the doubt when Aaron Rome hit Nathan Horton?

In that case, prevailing opinion seemed to be that it was intentional

— intentional despite the fact that Rome had no history whatsoever as a

headhunter, despite the fact that the game is faster than it’s ever

been, despite the fact that the hit is late by less than a second, and

despite the fact that Rome doesn’t leave his feet and he doesn’t raise

his elbow. It’s entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that Horton’s

injury (like most headshots) was an accident.

But, for Rome, premeditation was assumed. People scoffed at his

apology as though they had uncovered a sketch of the hit in Rome’s

locker the day before. Jason Botchford said today that one of the

country’s national columnists looked him in the eye and stated that Rome

had malicious intent to injure the head.

If it wasn’t Damien Cox, then there were two of them. After the hit, Cox wrote:

The Canucks go overboard on the dramatics to draw

penalties and in these playoffs have also demonstrated a clear

willingness to do just about anything to not only win, but eliminate

key personnel from the opposing team.


The implication here is that Rome meant to take Horton out

of the game. That’s editorializing bordering on slander. Unfortunately,

many took it at face value, perhaps because it was sold as an objective

take by trusted voices within the media.

It’s hard to do anything but shake our heads at these same voices

when they give Boychuk a pass and decry the fans that jeered Raymond with chants of “flopper”

as he lay on the ice with a broken back. Do you think the opinions of

these fans were informed by the garbage they’ve been reading? I do.

Truth is, shameful as it was to mock a player laying motionless on the

ice, the crowd at the TD Garden were just following the example set by

the people who report the news.

The moment we read and report intent in instances where it’s

impossible to determine is the moment we’ve crossed the line into

irresponsible reporting. Last night was evidence of what happens when

that line is well behind us.
 
actually a few pages back i posted a link to video clips of mike murphy from the rome disciplinary meeting, so i do sorta know what happened there. so do a lot of other people.

sorry i believe in consistency in the nhl's suspensions, guess that makes me a rambling moron.
 
you're bitching just isn't going to change jack shit, so shut the fuck up and talk about something that isn't Rome/Boychuk's hit. it's fucking annoying. The NHL is inconsistent, so in the NFL. fuck, who cares.
 
i care, and so do a lot of other vancouver fans. vancouver players have been at the hands of some ridiculous suspensions this year, and then when questionable plays against vancouver players occur no action is taken? its lame when so much of this inconsistency is directed towards your home team.

if injury is the cause for one suspension, then it should be the cause for another, right?

 
both hits were considered interference. kerry fraser (the league's most senior referee) even agreed that the hit on raymond should have been considered interference. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=368912

murphy ruled that rome's hit was interference also. that makes both of them illegal and resulting in lengthy injuries.

you're gonna retort to this with "nobody cares assfuck" or some shit like that. dont post stuff that you know is gonna get a response if you dont want to read one.
 
hahaha raymond never even touched the puck and got his back broken. i mean it was probably an accident and a split second decision by boychuk. oh wait....
 
i'm sorry, i misread the article that JD posted above. regardless, i feel the circumstances are a little different, as i've previously said. you have your opinion(which i'm sick of hearing thus my lashing out) and i have mine. i'm done talking about the hit, and i hope to god you are too.
 
So a Vancouver sports blogger thinks that the hit was dirty... Are we supposed to be surprised?

Although I laughed out loud at the part of the article where he accused and dissed some other sports writer of implying that Rome meant to take Horton out of the game when he did the exact same thing in the beginning of his article. Anyone watching a replay of that could see that Boychuk didn't "hook him and spin him into an awkward position." He got spun around because he tried to get by Boychuk and got his leg caught on Boychuk's leg 0:15-0:17 in the video

 
If the puck passes directly underneath someone, it's legal to hit them, touching the puck has absolutely nothing to do with interference.
 
quoting so hopefully all the idiots calling people fuckers and whiners and bitches for thinking Boychuk should deserve a suspension for the precedent set by Rome's hit will read it.
 
Me too, I would have liked to see Boychuck let up too after seeing the result but he was doing the same thing that any NHL player would have done, riding a player into the boards who just made a play at the puck.
 
trying to be unbiased....the hit didn't seem malicious. it wasn't an open ice, puck free hit. It genuinely seemed as though they simply got caught up on each other, and their momentum drove them into the boards like that, which is unfortunate. No one likes seeing anyone get injured in such a manner. If it was a clear penalty, i have no doubt that bostonians would fess up to it, because thats the type of hockey that boston is proud of, its in our blood and in bruins history. Thats how we play....big bad bruins.

It seemed to really be a situation where both players were trying to get out of it, but ran out of space and time. The hit on horton on the other hand was within rome's control. I'm sorry, but you don't ever jump off the ice to "finish a hit."

but such debates will always exist.

one way or another, i'm immensely proud of the bruins because they kept the garden our fortress. If we lose the finals, then we can do so proudly, because we didn't let them even touch us in our home. Boston is sacred bruins turf, and this series proved it.
 
i donno how to double quote cuz im an e-noob butttt.

to your first post, his stick was between his legs.... you even posted a video showing that. when raised into his crotch it becomes a hook. also, im like, 99 percent sure that was the point to say that he meant to break raymonds spine much like everyone said rome meant to injure horton when the hit happened. especiall when he says "Of course, there’s no way of actually determining this, and it would be pretty unreasonable, unprofessional, and irresponsible to make such a claim." but thats just my opinion

to your second post, yes when both players can play the puck contact is allowed, but like we ve heard so much about the horton hit, .5 seconds is the guideline and it kinda seemed like he finished his hit a little after the .5 second mark....

im not so much criticizing the hit because i agree it was very unfortunate and there was no intent to break raymonds back, but more the league and their "undisclosed formula for late hits and suspensions"
 
Did you actually fucking read the thing? Christ stupid people piss me off sometimes. He explicitly says he does not believe it should have been a suspension (unless you suspend to the injury, which he then says is a terrible idea).

WHY CAN'T PEOPLE READ

The point of the article is a) the coverage of the finals has been irresponsible, largely because it has sought to create storylines and drama, and b) this is in part responsible for the despicable behaviour of everyone at TD Garden last night who chanted "flopper" at a guy with a broken back.
 
I'd actually enjoy a friendly debate on the subject so thanks for the lack of obnoxious "you're fucking retarded" and other shit like that in your post. My opinion on it is, and I'm not sure if I'm right or not but I think that the .5 seconds is to initiate contact? Which boychuk was definitely within that time limit when he first contacted Raymond.

Like I said, I'm not quite sure on the exact ruling here but I don't think maintaining contact and riding a player into the boards past that .5 seconds is illegal. But If someone knows differently I stand corrected.
 
The only penalty that was there was interference but honestly I would have hated to see that been called. Checks like that happen all the time and if the refs started calling that consistently- hahaha NHL refs/discipline being consistent!- I would probably want to throw my tv out the window. Nothing wrong with rubbing the player out into the corner and unfortunately this time Raymond came out a little worse for wear.

And jesus guys, all they were saying was that based on the standards set for the suspension that Rome received, Boychuk should have gotten a suspension as well. You can argue all you want about the hits being different, anyone with a set of eyes can see that, but you cant argue that based on the criteria for Rome's suspension Boychuk should have had one handed to him as well. No one is saying he should get one and I think the majority of you understand that but some of you just want to make something out of nothing and it is getting really annoying.
 
this is exactly the problem. there is no specification of this rule by the NHL. it just kinda seems to vary with how the play looks to the reffs. which to me sounds really silly. im more just pissed off cuz i fucking love raymond and hes filthy and we re probably gonna lose him for a long first part of next season as well. fuck
 
well see, despite my long drunk post, thats what im trying to get at.

let us all agree that for the stanley cup finals, regardless of who we support....getting to game 7 and going balls to the wall for the final win and cup is what we all love about hockey. its the relief or heartbreak that goes along with every seasons.
 
this has nothing to do with what anyone else is talking about right now, but Bruins fans feel me out here.
it pisses me off that marc savard is the only bruin not in van right now. claude said his health is still different from "week to week and day to day." horton, somehow, has been healthy enough to make the trip out there, but savard, more than a year after his hit from cooke and another hit in colorado, is still unable to even leave the east coast to watch his team play game 7. just makes me so mad over that hit by cooke all over again. savard we're all still thinking of you buddy.
 
I respected Raymond a lot as well, him and Malhotra are probably my favorite players on the 'Nucks. But seeing a beloved player on your own team go down like that with a serious injury is really hard to watch.

And now maybe Canucks fans can understand what Bruins fans were feeling when Horton was laying motionless on the ice. It's hard to see that and not want some sort of revenge and not be pissed at someone. I agree that the suspension was too much now that my emotions have cooled down since seeing that hit.

The biggest difference between the NHL using the precedent set by the Rome hit to suspend Boychuk as many people on here are arguing is that Boychuk's wasn't late. Fraser agreed that it maybe should have been interference or a hook, and if it was interference it would have been because of the hook, not the fact that it was late (which it wasn't). He said that there was nothing wrong with the fact that Boychuk rode him into the boards.

"When Mason Raymond was fully turned from the hook and balanced once again on two skates in a bent over position, it appears as though impact with the boards was perhaps five feet away. It doesn't take long to travel that distance. I did not see any evidence that Boychuk drove Raymond with any excessive or significant force other than what might be deemed normal on a finish of a play of this nature."
 
Very few people are saying that Boychuk should be suspended, people are more irritated at the lack of consistency in NHL discipline. What I'm annoyed with is, watch the Canucks when Horton is taken off, it's essentially a line of sticks tapping on the ice and the B's fans applauding (which is what you should do regardless of what team the guy plays for). That is not what happened last night and anyone in that arena who was doing what we could hear on the TV should be ashamed of themselves.
 
i feel like most, not all canucks fan understand that this was a hockey play gone really really bad. not a dirty hit. we re just using it as a point to show how unjust rome's suspension was. the interference thing on boychuk is meh. some will be for some will be against it. i guarantee if the media makes the hit a big deal, bandwagoners everywhere would turn it into the horton hit. and it would be just as much if not a bigger deal because of his injury.

yea, i dont agree with fraser's opinion though... if you have someones head between your legs, finishing that hit is excessive, just like how horton wasnt looking, finishing the hit is excessive... raymond was just as vulnerable if not more... the hit was mch smaller with much more dramatic result

if the canucks lose tomorrow night i feel like this raymond deal will turn into a gigantic shitstorm by the media and fans
 
true. i might not agree with dingosean when he says we should always be classy and not chirp the fuck out of each other but there is always a certain level of respect that needs to be shown. when a player is injured you dont start yelling shit and whatnot, thats just gutless.
 
I agree with you, I'm disappointed in the Bruins who did not tap their sticks on the ice or boards when he was being taken off the ice. But as for the fans, there's a post by Melvs a page or two back that explains it all. When a player on a team that has a reputation for diving (whether you think this is justified or not the reputation is undeniable) goes down in what looked like a relatively soft hit, you encounter a "boy who cried wolf" situation. And as soon as the doctors came out and it was obvious that he was really hurt, they stopped chanting "diver" or "flopper" or whatever it was and resumed their prior "Lets go Bruins" chant.
 
sure, but in my opinion chanting "Go (team) Go!" when a player on the other team is getting helped off the ice by doctors and visibly cant stand up on his own or anything, thats fucked. like even if youre not concerned at all and really want the guy to be injured at least fuckin pretend youre concerned, show some respect
 
I had the game recorded and just watched it again and it seemed like everyone's reaction was different to this injury than Hortons. The Canucks players didn't even hit their sticks into the boards or ice or anything as Raymond was being helped off the ice.

Also, the "Lets Go Bruins" chants by the fans stopped as Raymond was being helped away and a lot of fans were clapping for him as he went down the tunnel...
 
is this regarding the media or the officiating? the media is the media. they do what they can in order to be profitable. but if you feel the whole NHL system is unbalanced in this final and they(reffs and disciplinary board) are making things more 'interesting"

or am I just another stupid American NBA fan that just likes Hockey fights and Don Cherry's sport coats

 
True, that was pretty embarrassing to see fans chanting and stuff when raymond was down...but like Natty_Ice said all that ruckus calmed down when the extent of the injury was realized...

I think it was hard for b's fans in the arena (cause they dont show a replay) to know if he was hurt or not because it was in the corner of the rink so not a lot of fans could actually see it and vancouver is known for diving/embellishing

don't think we're all like that tho, i was the first one on this thread wishing raymond the best because i was able to see the replay...i dont want to see anyone seriously hurt on either side
 
End of discussion in my opinion. Quit the bitching, game 7 tonight and that is the only thing that matters.

I like our chances if Loungo starts instead of Schneider as they've been saying he will. Schneider was downright dirty and kept game 6 from being another 8 goal game for the Bruins. I'll be glad to see him on the bench when the game starts.
 
i was reading an article this morning in the paper, and the writer actually said "i think the canucks will probably win if luongo has a shutout." i dont know how the fuck this guy got a job as a sportswriter but holy fuck ive never heard anyone say anything that stupid before.
 
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