Obama bypassing congress to make sricter gun laws....

What really impresses me is that there are so few that have commented on this being a non issue. Gun lobbying, right wing media and NRA spokespeople have turned this into a windfall for gun manufacturers and retailers. Talk about using fear to drive business!

The real truth is taht there will be very little regulation, and the media is using panic as a way to boost business for the gun industry.

Well done firearm industry, well done.
 
You are a fucking idiot. Do you know what a dictatorship is? If you did, you would never say that the United States is moving towards that.
 
Yeesh, making some assumptions there aren't you?Isn't the main issue in this thread constitutionally guaranteed rights? Free speech being one of them?

Come on man, this is the internet. Everyone is free to express their completely serious and honest opinions.
 
Europeans have a very different perspective on things relating to Nazis, and in general won't tolerate the idea that he did anything right.

implying that Hitler was a positive thing for Germany, or is in any way comparable to Obama or any other first world leader is sheer stupidity
 
I never said he's comparable to Obama. Obama never gained the support of America like Hitler did Germany. His rise to power was spectacular, the man inspired confidence and nationalism in his people, something which Obama fails to do again and again.
 
oh he definitely gained their support. but only if you were were on the list of people he didn't plan to kill. becoming a supported world leader is considerably easier when you look those who oppose you.
 
excellent backing down. you weren't joking or making outrageous points. you just realized how stupid they were, and thus fell back on the trolling excuse.
 
Trolling entails subtlety. I'd say that was well executed personally.

"Come on man, this is the internet. Everyone is free to express their completely serious and honest opinions."
 
You try holding an assault rifle modded with a slider stock and no foregrip. Go ahead, hold it like you think he should hold it, and let every round rip downrange and tell me how you do. Post a video, actually.
 
Slider stocks are for retard rednecks. There is no reason to sacrifice rof for accuracy unless you're shooting targets for fun.
 
Which looked to be exactly what they were doing in that video. And that still doesn't change the fact that Crunt is a fucking moron for calling someone out on the way they hold a weapon when he clearly doesn't know shit about them
 
Yea, but what about people who wants to kill just one person. Should they be able to find handguns in one day?

I mean they're responsible for the greatest fraction of gun murders in the united states. So do you not care about the overall gun crime rate and just want to stop mass murders? I don't follow.
 
Ok, so let's say you ban Assault Rifles completely and they don't exist in civilians hands. Then another one of these tragedies happens using an Assault Rifle obtained illegally and then what do you do? Not only have you removed 2nd Amendment rights from law abiding citizens, these mass shootings still go on legal or not. It doesn't take an AR style platform to cause a mass shooting. Take Columbine for example, it occurred in April of 1999 during the Assault Weapons ban of 1994-2004. Note all the weapons used in Columbine were sawed off shotguns, 9mm semi auto rifle in a 10 Round magazine, and a 9mm handgun (No Assault Weapons were used). I am not being close minded whatsoever, but the argument that banning these weapons will stop all mass shootings is a false statement, there is no way to predict when these type of events will occur. You ignore all violent crime statistics, but pick out only cases where Assault Weapons are used. Assault weapons are used in such a small number of violent crimes that legally banning them will result in no added protection. I would like to see how you think this will make us any safer besides the statement that you can reload slower with other guns compared to the AR rifle, or "it holds more ammo in a magazine". Any average American can reload a semi auto pistol in 1-2 seconds, and they can be purchased with extended magazines.
 
I never once said ban Assault rifles so they don't exist in civilian hands. I said stop selling them from this point and time forward. If you already own it and have proof of purchase then you can legally have it. If you want to sell it privately, you can, and the buyer would be bound by law to under go a full back ground check. This would prevent people who no longer want their weapons from selling them illegally. Obviously illegal weapons will still exist, but stopping legal sale makes it harder for a criminal to get one in the long run because there is less overal supply. A Hi-point Model 995 carbine was used in columbine, it is a 9mm yes, but it looks like this (clearly not just a hand gun). It was fired 90+ times during the shooting. Not only shotguns were used.
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The tech-p was also used. In my opinion that gun should be illegal to buy also, but that's my opinion. I also FIRMLY believe that high capacity magazines should be banned, completely. They are unnecessary unless you are shooting people or targets. Yes they are fun as fuck to shoot, but people can sacrifice a little fun target shooting for the greater good.

And lastly our second amendment says "well regulated" which is exactly what's going on, regulation. By your logic we should be allowed to have fully automatic guns, because by them being illegal they are infringing on our 2nd amendment rights. Imagine how bad shootings would be if they were legal.
 
That's Crunt. to you sir. You're very hostile, I don't appreciate it, you seem extremely offended though, was that you in the video or something? Nice tribal band bro!
 
you cannot be serious. i mean you are pretty serious and act like you were trolling but apparently youre idolizing the self-confidence and nationalism hitler "brought" the germans.

there is a border to freedom of speech. you get thrown into jail for your "subtle" opinion in quite a few european states, so shut the fuck up already.

thx to fujarome btw,

but i would rate him 1/10, would not bang
 
you cannot be serious. i mean you are pretty serious and act like you were trolling but apparently youre idolizing the self-confidence and nationalism hitler "brought" the germans.

there is a border to freedom of speech. you get thrown into jail for your "subtle" opinion in quite a few european states, so shut the fuck up already.

thx to fujarome btw,

but i would rate him 1/10, would not bang
 
He did inspire nationalism, that is a fact.I never condoned fascism though, or the Holocaust.

The Obama comparison was more or less me throwing you a bone.
 
An AR-15 type rifle is effective to about 550 yards not THOUSANDS, you have now proven to everyone you know jack shit about guns and are simply regurgitating what NBC said this morning.
 
Jesus christ this thread is full of idiocy and a complete and utter disregard for what ACTUALLY IS HAPPENING in regards to legislation or executive orders.

Basically all most govt. officials are talking about is enforcing more background checks, closing loopholes that evade background checks, and allowing ATF to do more frequent checks on shops. None of which is extreme, and none of which effects your rights as gun owners.

So please, for the love of god, how about some rational thought instead of "TAKE ALL GUNZ" or "YOU AINT TAKIN MY GOD-GIVIN GUNZ".
 
Can't we just wait until the exact proposals (many of which will be DOA) are unveiled on Tuesday morning before hypothesizing about what they might be????
 
i never said anything about handguns, you said assault weapons ban, and no positive effect. i corrected you then you were like omg handguns don't you care.
 
there is no positive effect from an assault weapons ban. Clinton AWB had no effect. If you want to decrease gun violence, then ban handguns. Do they not account for the vast majority of firearms related crimes?

Saying we need to ban assault weapons because of these shootings is ridiculous, even still these mass murders account for an incredibly small faction of the total amount of people killed per year by guns in America. You see?
 
I could be wrong since ive never shot one but they have a dial on the bottom that i think is used to tighten the spring making it like a traditional stock. I just pulled that outta my ass so feel free to correct me if anyone knows otherwise
 
Now that the ban is no longer in effect there have been of more mass shootings. You keep changing the argument I'm not talking about all violence I'm only talking about assault weapons. That's it I'm just saying they should be harder to obtain I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.
 
Well sir, I disagree with this statement. When semi auto guns are banned and people start using single hot guns (the shooting at the highschool in CA was with a single shot) the government will most likely go after those as well.
Also to the man above making the reference to FULL AUTO: Fully automatic guns have been illegal since the 1960's. People like you who have NO IDEA about what kind of guns are out there and think that these shootings are being committed with fully automatic guns are part of the reason we are in this mess. This is not an issue with guns. We have had semi auto for a very long time and have had very little issues until recently. Also... Columbine happened under an assault weapon ban. More laws won't help because CRIMINALS DON'T FOLLOW LAWS.
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Why? because of the ginormous amount of murders they cause? assault weapons that is.

I mean, really if you were after a marked decrease in loss of human life you would act to ban all firearms. Why aren't you behind that sort of measure?

PLEASEE TELL MEE. And also tell me why you oppose hunting with crossbows after
 
You suck it arguing I'm not going to do with you anymore That's the third time you changed around the argument. I don't understand what a crossbow has to do with an assault weapon or a mass murder. And you've given no positive reason to keep them. And I don't understand what one person wanting to kill one other person has to do with an assault weapons ban. You keep bringing of these scenarios and they have absolutely nothing to do with our argument.
 
you used to say that all guns should be banned and that the act of self defense is unnecessary lol. this is a big change to your mentality, what happened? did you recently learn your rights?
 
Find me one post where I said that all guns should be banned forever. Even when I had a pm with el barto(sp) To finish up one of are gun arguments I didn't even say that. It seems thats more and more that's all you gun pros are doing is putting words in my mouth, and running your arguments more and more off what if made-up scenarios. That's why I like Arguing with barto. at least He's intelligent and makes a good arguments you fucking suck at it.
 
I don't think you understand the argument. Laws never stop criminals, most of the time they obtain their firearm used in violent crime illegally. If Assault Weapons were banned no one is going to be selling their pre ban gun to any other civilians I can assure you that, especially when the supply is cut off.

All this "greater good" mumbo jumbo talk. Average police response time is around 10 minutes give and take, you do realize any average American can reload a handgun in under 2 seconds. If all magazines over 10 rounds were banned, criminals would either obtain ones over 10 rounds illegally or reload more often. 2 seconds in the comparison to 10 minutes, I don't see how that makes us any safer?

Never said anything about having full auto guns. If people had full auto guns during a shooting spree they would arguably be less accurate and less effective. Firing a fully automatic weapon and still maintaining good accuracy is not an easy task without military training.

You focus so much on these 2 shooting cases but ignore all other gun crime statistics. Assault Weapons bans have been done before and nothing has changed regarding violent crime. What makes this any different?
 
Laws might not stop criminals but Most illegal firearms Are guns that are stolen. Not some magical truck that's stolen from a gun factory and then sold to criminals. So if you lessen the amount of guns and assault rifles in America that means less of them will get stolen. For instance I'm not saying we should do this but if you did ban all guns in America today. In about 20 years there would definitely be less guns floating around then there are today. Again I'm not saying we should do that but if you lessen the amount of guns here you lesson the amount of guns that would be in the hands of criminal's.
 
Please tell me how I changed it?

You want more stringent procedures in place regarding assault weapons, and possibly a ban. Rifles account for a very VERY low portion of overall gun crimes in America

You want to decrease the amount of these mass killings, which statistically ALSO represent very small portion of American gun homocides.

You want to do this by somehow changing legislation regarding assault weapons. My question is, what is your aim? Why are you so singularly focused on assault weapons when they represent such a small portion of the overall gun homocides in America.

Do you not want less people to die? I don't get it one bit. I'm trying to be your advocate here.
 
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