Obama Believes He Can’t Be Wrong.

OP, Jesus dude why are you fucking attacking everyone with walls of text. Your inability to present concise short arguments is causing no one to take you seriously.

He flip flops on so many issues that you have no confidence he will carry out what he claims he will do. Just look as his term as Governor at how many things he backed out on. He will say whatever to make people happy, his true motives are mystery to everyone, including himself.
 
I think you need to realize that all of the economic turmoil we are experiencing is a result of past president's policy and regulation... Obama has very little power over the trajectory of the economy. He can only roll with the punches.

Do you really think that Mitt will be able to fix the economy? Yes, maybe in that marketable-illusionairy-bullshit fashion for a few years, but everything will just come crashing down again in 10 years, and it will be exponentially worse than what we are experiencing now. (basically, systemic failure).

Republicans = more spending, less taxing... There is no logic behind that. Fairytale financing.

 
The democrats need to stop playing the Bush blame and game because its getting ridiculous. Correct me if wrong, but wasn't it 2008 when the economy crash and started to go into the recession in 2006. Well, the Dems controlled the house and senate up until 2010 so I blame them, because apparently congress is the one to blame for our economic crisis, at least that is according to the other dems in this thread.
 
Dude seriously shut the fuck up, you made a thread blaming the whole recession on Obama so you can stop saying that blaming Bush is just an excuse. People in our government should stop blaming people and putting down other candidates and start finding as way out of this "shithole of an economy" as you would probably call it. Also the only time I've heard that bush was being blamed is AFTER a conservative blames Obama. Not to say I don't think that bush is at the very least somewhat a cause of this.

The gov't needs to be pro-active towards a solution, fuck this hating, blaming and gridlock we have now!
 
It's hilarious how dumb OP is. You could take the same statement and apply it to the right's faith in trickle-down theory. Oh wait, except if you did you would be right, unlike OP.
 
Awesome sarcasm. You're as fucking ignorant as ever.

Somebody predicts the way the economy is going to go years in advance, get's shit on by "experts", get's shit on by the ignorant people who listen to those "experts", the economy does what they tried to explain and not what the "experts said", the "experts" still shit on them, the people that listen to the "experts" shit on them, and people like you shit on them.

God I love the world. Doesn't even matter when you're right about shit anymore. Ignorant fucks will still believe whatever they want.
 
I don't even think I can have an intelligent argument with you because of your lack of knowledge...

The problems that created the recession were elusive and cumulative... Some of the major deregulation that greatly contributed to the current economic situation occurred as early as the 1960's (FIrst round of Glass-Steagall repeals). That is a fact.

I don't mean to be rude, but only a fool would believe the current economic situation is Obama's fault. The notion is so ridiculous and infantile it makes me sick.
 
We didn't get worse because we were being sent money... but we never got that money? You're kidding me, right? Weapons production was not our only booming piece of the economy at that time.
 
I was going to write something similar, but thought 1337 had his neck buried too far below the sand to comprehend a response such as this.

+k, sir.
 
I'm not sure how you can defend Obama so much. Obviously some (if not most..) of this current economic situation can be blamed on him. He had a Democrat controlled congress for two years, to pass all of his policies. Can someone tell me one successful economic policy that was passed in this presidency?

On another point, how ironic is this video:

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I'm defending him because he is the only one who is trying to really clean up this mess!

Romney wants to shove the mess in the corner and let it stink, rot, and grow mold. Then, he wants to douse the mess in gasoline and burn it, while throwing more garbage onto the pile. Inevitably because there is this fire inside this house, it will burn it down. That is what Romney is doing, burning america to the ground, and you don't even know it because you are in the living room watching TV, and there is a pile of shit on fire about to burn your house down in the kitchen. (which is very, very hard) You can't properly fix a fucking economy in 8 years, let alone 4 years, without it being absolutely and ridiculously volatile/unsustainable. (that's the situation in vague ridiculous drunk-analogy-speak)

Obama inherited this mess (of which you seem to know little to nothing about).

Voting for either candidate won't make much of a dramatic difference anyways. It's a lesser of two evils situation.

Also, one successful economic policy? I could give you hundreds, but I don't write essays for idiots like you.

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It's weird how Alan Greenspan has disappeared. After all his theories were proven to be bullshit, it's like he went into hiding. But yeah, your right.
 
Pushing for civil rights for all americans...something republicans generally are against. (who can guess what im talking about?)

how about that for starters?
 
I dont think you can blame the president for anythign really. Its the same thing in europe. Everyone (in this case Greece and Spains people) are blaming Merkel because they need to cut their budgets. Like its her fault that they lived the way they lived and are in the shitter now. I am always wondering how it is the people in the country that receive billions of €€€ that complain, but not the people actually paying for them. Presidents (or in our case Bundeskanzler) cant really do all that much on their own. Of course they are the leading figure through politics, but there are sooo many other people getting involved that its kinda impossible to make major changes in politics nowadays anyway (in Germany it is for sure). Everyone is only concentrating on the next elections, promising huge changes and then come to the realization that they actually cant change shit once they got elected.They think its their job to get reelected, but actually it should be their job to do whats best for the people in the country.

I am not saying they dont try, but sometimes it seems top me that it doesnt matter which party or which candidate you vote for anyway, since nothing will change either way.
 
Bro, this is all just tinkering and red tape. Do you REALLY think this is going to solve the fundamental problems with the US economy ie. bloated government, high unemployment, outsourced manufacturing base, sky-high transfer payments, rising inflation???

Or, is it possible that all these rules are there to buy votes from the economically illiterate, by creating the illusion of helping out the workers/Middle Class..?

 
So if you cant fix the economy in four years than why did Obama say four years ago that if you didn't have it fixed by the time his first limit was over and that if he didn't, than he wouldn't run for a second term? He definitely said that, but he also said A LOT of things in the last election that he hasn't done, in fact he's done the opposite of what he said. But its all good right? Why listen to what I candidate says he's going to do?
 
you have a tenuous grasp on politics. the presidency changing parties, or even congress does not make lightning changes, things take time, people need appeasing, bills need doctoring to get pushed through.... and yeah, cite me an article where he said those words exactly please. half of the first term is working on reelection for the second term so you can actually effect the change and policies you want without trying to gain the support of republicans. Politics is a game - candidates obviously say shit to get elected, thats the nature of a two-party system. every 4 years someone is supposed to lead some sort of movement - because this doesn't happen, politicians have to craft a narrative that will help draw in votes. this is not only how politics work, but an expression of how people work. talking data and policies doesnt secure the votes of the idiotic or uneducated (a large portion of the US) it is buzzwords like hope and change. so you have to play the game to be a part of it, which means using sensationalist speech tactics. moreover, the effects we are feeling economically in this country are a holdover of the '08 recession, which was a product of the Bush years of deregulation and the subprime mortgage crisis which happened under a republican government, not completely due to Obama's policies of early 2009, which are still taking effect. they say the best measure of a presidency is the how the country is faring during the successor's turn. republicans did amazingly Romney 2012 the whole economy will be fixed in a day.
 
Im sorry buts thats just retarded. If candidates can change what they say there going to do during their campaign than why should we take what they say seriously?? How about we get a candidate in office who sticks to his word like they are SUPPOSE to.
Also, Im tired of giving the government time. Thats I'll we ever do and nothing changes. In fact, things just keep getting worse and worse.
Lastly, I never said that I expected Romney to change the economy in a day. But Obama has had four years to do something and he hasn't.
 
Not even. The dude has a George Bush method of spending.

Cut taxes by a substantial amount, cut spending by an insignificant amount, expect the debt situation to improve.

He, like any other conservative candidate, cant cut spending like he claims, because the minute anyone actually acts to cut any of these programs, people get angry. The problem is America wants social security, medicare, medicade, etc, but when they have to PAY for it, all of a sudden its a problem.
 
Well of course we have to pay for it. The problem though is that the young adults wont see any of these programs by the time were eligible to receive the benefits because they wont exist, even though we are helping pay for them. Its going to be real nice while we get to watch them enjoy the enjoy the benefits of their social security checks (which we payed for) while we clean up their mess. Thats just awesome. Makes me real happy to know that my tax dollars are going towards these incompetent smucks retirement plan.
 
Lol so people collecting Social Security are incompetent? Brilliant, yes Im sure the tens of millions of people who paid into the system as their plan for retirement are all incompetent.

Social security needs to be fixed, but it cant be fixed through the same empty conservative rhetoric that every person who collects any sort of money for anything from the feds is incompetent. Thats simply not true.
 
Yes a lot of them are incompetent. You know that the people with outstanding credit debt and the people who couldn't pay the mortgage on the houses they had no business buying are going to be receiving social security checks even though they are the ones the economy into this mess. I also consider Obama, his administration, and congress incompetent even though you may disagree, but you can bet you're ass that they are going to be receiving social security checks as well. Thats just to name a few.
 
Wow, is this the new Lax_Bro40 or something?

Hey idiot, if you're looking for something to cut, there's a fat $700 BILLION military budget Romney won't touch.

Also lately I've heard people claim that government can't create jobs, then bitch about Obama not creating enough jobs, when they were against the American Jobs Act. Makes no fucking sense.

 
I don't bitch about the government creating jobs because I don't want the government creating jobs. I want the government to remove all the red tape the force employers to put up with because I believe that if they do that, than the free market will create jobs... You see what I did there, I said let the FREE MARKET create jobs, not the government because the government will fuck it up like they always do.
I too agree that the defense budget should be cut, but if you think about it, the millions of americans who are in the military get paid through the military budget. People always forgot this and assume that the whole military budget goes towards buying bombs and weapons except a large portion of it goes towards actually paying the people in the military who in turn, but that money back into the economy which is a good thing.
 
Yupp and then the businesses can get taken over "freely" by bigger ones until our lives and politics are controlled by corporations. But wait, there's more! Next your air (the shit that you breathe) will be overly polluted and your water will be undrinkable. But it'll be all okay because the economy would thrive without all those evil government regulations, right?!
 
And what evidence do we have that trickle down economics works? Romney is a prime example of it not working, he shelters his profits offshore and invests overseas, not in American jobs. Same for Bain Capitol, regardless of whether it was after he left. These people are pulling in 10s of millions a year, don't act like when they start pulling in 30 million instead of 20 because of lowered taxes they will "create more jobs", they will keep more for themselves. And I don't care that they are making millions, they are perfectly allowed to do so, but don't pretend that if we lowered taxes they would suddenly be able to create jobs they cant now. It's not that they can't, it's that they won't. And tax breaks wont change that.
 
Rich people don't create jobs just because they have extra money laying around.People create jobs when there is innovation.
 
what a republican brought to the table started this recession

its not like what republicans or democrats is radically new or different than what they have been saying for the past three decades

from the right we have Reaganomics and tax cuts without spending cuts, causing debt increases

and from the right we have stable taxes, but an increase in spending, causing debt increases

its not like Romney has a radically different fiscal plan, or any fiscal plan for that matter beyond whatever bullshit the GOP base has been feeding him
 
So a republican created everyones outstanding credit debt, had people buy houses who couldn't pay the mortgage on them, and influenced corporate greed? Huh, I didn't know that.
 
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