Alexander_Keith
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Obama Believes He Can’t Be Wrong.
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El_Barto.
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The small business thing is accurate. It can be likened to hitting home runs. sure, hank aaron had coaches and teammates help him but in the end he hit those dingers, no one else. Nobody else built apple besides Steve Jobs. To say otherwise is just redundant. Of course everyone relies on everyone else, thats not a ground breaking discovery worth giving a speech about
It was more regarding how rooted people get in their party. They will vote for their party even if the main candidate was an albino giraffe as long as cnn or fox told them it was a good choice. Critical thinking is almost completely out of the equation. People go out, put signs in their yard, yell at each other, eventually vote, and think they've made an informed decision. I think they'd be wrong on both parts. They're neither informed nor have really made a decision. They've simply done what the tv told them to do. It's fucking brilliant.
Then people get all caught up in the evils of the other party. So of how our country will be in wars. No matter what, America is right and the other guys are evil. If you're a rep, the dems are evil and all the problems associated with our country are simply because of the dems. They believe the dems are in control of everything, the "mainstream media" is completely dem, and that's why they can't get enough reps in to make the changes that will get our country back on track. And then with the dems it's the opposite.
I haven't heard cnn refer to fox being the mainstream media but it's still the same policy of, we can't get our stuff done to save the country because there are too many reps. But it's fucking great hearing "mainstream media" on fox and tossed around by reps when it's like Holy fucking batman, both cnn and fox are shitty mainstream media, open you're fucking eyes herp derp.
To an extent some of that is true though. It's hard to get things passed because both side will vote for what ever side goes along wither their party regardless of reason, so a lot of shit will get dead locked or you need to be on the side with the most people to get shit done. Still irrelevant since they both blow balls.
"Social and religious and economic issues are all bundled up with political party and we all want a candidate that embodies our opinion on all 3"
Yup, it's sad. If you're a christian you vote rep, if you aren't you vote dem. That kind of shit.
" If party A has a great economic plan but terrible social policies some people will go with B as the lesser of two evils"
That's what I always hear. I don't like either really but he's the "lesser of two evils". It fucking sucks. So both parties suck but you're still going to vote for one? Candidate A is going to kill you by lethal injection and candidate B is going to slowly cut you to pieces with a dull and rusty razor blade. I know I'm voting for A because that's a little better of a situation. If people stopped voting into it there would be a window for real change.
"Some people are aware of how shitty party loyalty is but have to stick to it since there isn't another option right now."
Some, but most people aren't. I'd rather not vote than cast by vote for a scumbag. Voted for a candidate who had dropped out in 08. So my vote didn't count, but I sure as fuck didn't waste it as some people would say.
How can anything change for the better if we keep voting people in that suck simply because they're slightly better than the alternative?
Then people get all caught up in the evils of the other party. So of how our country will be in wars. No matter what, America is right and the other guys are evil. If you're a rep, the dems are evil and all the problems associated with our country are simply because of the dems. They believe the dems are in control of everything, the "mainstream media" is completely dem, and that's why they can't get enough reps in to make the changes that will get our country back on track. And then with the dems it's the opposite.
I haven't heard cnn refer to fox being the mainstream media but it's still the same policy of, we can't get our stuff done to save the country because there are too many reps. But it's fucking great hearing "mainstream media" on fox and tossed around by reps when it's like Holy fucking batman, both cnn and fox are shitty mainstream media, open you're fucking eyes herp derp.
To an extent some of that is true though. It's hard to get things passed because both side will vote for what ever side goes along wither their party regardless of reason, so a lot of shit will get dead locked or you need to be on the side with the most people to get shit done. Still irrelevant since they both blow balls.
"Social and religious and economic issues are all bundled up with political party and we all want a candidate that embodies our opinion on all 3"
Yup, it's sad. If you're a christian you vote rep, if you aren't you vote dem. That kind of shit.
" If party A has a great economic plan but terrible social policies some people will go with B as the lesser of two evils"
That's what I always hear. I don't like either really but he's the "lesser of two evils". It fucking sucks. So both parties suck but you're still going to vote for one? Candidate A is going to kill you by lethal injection and candidate B is going to slowly cut you to pieces with a dull and rusty razor blade. I know I'm voting for A because that's a little better of a situation. If people stopped voting into it there would be a window for real change.
"Some people are aware of how shitty party loyalty is but have to stick to it since there isn't another option right now."
Some, but most people aren't. I'd rather not vote than cast by vote for a scumbag. Voted for a candidate who had dropped out in 08. So my vote didn't count, but I sure as fuck didn't waste it as some people would say.
How can anything change for the better if we keep voting people in that suck simply because they're slightly better than the alternative?
.ZT.
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If what he says is true, why did Romney base his whole campaign off of what Obama said and Romney actually agrees with.
Honestly this negative ad, on both sides (more so against Obama) shit is so retarded it's funny people in our country are dumb enough to vote based on this BS, half of which is made up or out of context. Vote based on the candidate's stances, what exactly they plan to do(which Romney has yet to tell us) , their views, etc.
Honestly this negative ad, on both sides (more so against Obama) shit is so retarded it's funny people in our country are dumb enough to vote based on this BS, half of which is made up or out of context. Vote based on the candidate's stances, what exactly they plan to do(which Romney has yet to tell us) , their views, etc.
skijunkiedtm
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Is it mexico where attack adds are illegal?
Yeah, let's do that.
Yeah, let's do that.
Huck_Norris
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This. I stopped reading immediately because he clearly Is a fox puppet lol...
BravoWhiskey5280
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You apparently did not understand what I meant when I said that I want a liberal who actually knows that there are conservatives out there who develop their opinions and beliefs through personal experiences and extensive educations and that we all aren't brain washed victims of the agenda that some at fox news have, or any other media group for that matter. You have to at least admit that what he believes to be the truth is not in touch with the actual reality of how we the american people develop their political ideologies. It'd be one thing if I used fox news as the source for any of my information, but I didn't so I was letting him know that his ignorant remark made him look like a dumb ass for generalizing conservatives. You'll never hear me say that I automatically discredit anything you have to say because you're opinion in my mind is similar to say Chris Matthews, so that must be where you're getting you're information from. If I said that than I would be a moron wouldn't you agree?
Next, if you want me to stop referring to everyone that disagrees with me as a liberal than Im open to suggestions to a better word since you feel that it is not applicable. I wasn't trying cause any hate, I simply was labeling the people who disagreed with my opinions as the liberals because generally, the people that disagree with what I have to say label themselves as liberals.
Lastly, I am pretty much on the same page as you when it comes to the republicans overall view on social issues. I am for less government in all aspects of government and the republicans strive for too much power when it comes to our countries social issues. This is because the republican party was founded by a bunch of die hard bible fisting traditionalists who try and interpret the word of god towards our social issues. The word of god clearly does not translate to everyone because this country actually has people who don't believe in christianity and that is something these traditionalists have to accept even though there are many who refuse to. My parents are an extreme example of what these traditionalists are like and I cant stand it when they try and force the word of god down my throat because I simply will never believe in it.
I guess its a matter of which issues you think are more important in the end because we will never be able to have the luxury of having the best of both sides represented in the presidential office. The two party system inevitably makes it this way which is a shame because it forces the Americans that agree with both sides on certain issues to pick one side because we don't have any other choice. The side I as forced to choose is the Republican side because I believe that the conservative ideology towards our economy will have a more positive effect on stimulating the economy.
My overall ideology towards every issue in this country concerns the least amount of government as possible. The more powerful government presents, a more powerful threat to its people it becomes and the government shouldn't even be close to becoming a threat, in fact I think that a government should always fear its people and should never try and increase its power because thats when a gov't. starts to take advantage of its people. The sole reason we became a country was because we were being ruled by a government that was taking advantage of us. I respect the hell out of our founding fathers because they wouldn't stand for this and that is just not the case today. People are now all of a sudden allowing the government to become more powerful and I don't think it has the right to which is why I am voting Republican because Obama seems to think that he has this right. No other president in the history of the US has adopted more power and been radical than the one in the White House right now. If that fact alone doesn't raise you're eyebrow than you're what I consider to be the problem with our country because you're the people giving him this power.
Next, if you want me to stop referring to everyone that disagrees with me as a liberal than Im open to suggestions to a better word since you feel that it is not applicable. I wasn't trying cause any hate, I simply was labeling the people who disagreed with my opinions as the liberals because generally, the people that disagree with what I have to say label themselves as liberals.
Lastly, I am pretty much on the same page as you when it comes to the republicans overall view on social issues. I am for less government in all aspects of government and the republicans strive for too much power when it comes to our countries social issues. This is because the republican party was founded by a bunch of die hard bible fisting traditionalists who try and interpret the word of god towards our social issues. The word of god clearly does not translate to everyone because this country actually has people who don't believe in christianity and that is something these traditionalists have to accept even though there are many who refuse to. My parents are an extreme example of what these traditionalists are like and I cant stand it when they try and force the word of god down my throat because I simply will never believe in it.
I guess its a matter of which issues you think are more important in the end because we will never be able to have the luxury of having the best of both sides represented in the presidential office. The two party system inevitably makes it this way which is a shame because it forces the Americans that agree with both sides on certain issues to pick one side because we don't have any other choice. The side I as forced to choose is the Republican side because I believe that the conservative ideology towards our economy will have a more positive effect on stimulating the economy.
My overall ideology towards every issue in this country concerns the least amount of government as possible. The more powerful government presents, a more powerful threat to its people it becomes and the government shouldn't even be close to becoming a threat, in fact I think that a government should always fear its people and should never try and increase its power because thats when a gov't. starts to take advantage of its people. The sole reason we became a country was because we were being ruled by a government that was taking advantage of us. I respect the hell out of our founding fathers because they wouldn't stand for this and that is just not the case today. People are now all of a sudden allowing the government to become more powerful and I don't think it has the right to which is why I am voting Republican because Obama seems to think that he has this right. No other president in the history of the US has adopted more power and been radical than the one in the White House right now. If that fact alone doesn't raise you're eyebrow than you're what I consider to be the problem with our country because you're the people giving him this power.
Dinner420
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Obama has done a few good things and he definitely has his flaws. I think people were way to optimistic in him turning it around all in 4 years though. The thing is in this country you are only going to be able to vote for A or B. C wont win. I am puzzled by the republicans candidates, I would probably rather have bush as president instead of Romney. The problems in washington go a lot deeper than the president. Congress just sits around and picks their asses and get bought out by big corporations. In 2010 they only were in session 137 days out of 365. It goes far deeper than the president and the laws and policies the president tries to pass have to go through congress.
Who would you vote for? No one? It's going to be one or the other I hope you realize that and obama is definitely a better candidate than Romney. Romney will be more of a greedy bastard and take all the money he can in making sure big corporations and the rich get their way. The gap of middle class and the wealthy will not stop. I am afraid that people are just going to vote for Romney because Obama hasn't done as good as expected. Obama isn't the best candidate but he is still better than Romney. The last thing we need is a mormon who follows what "god" thinks is right from his book of mormon.
Who would you vote for? No one? It's going to be one or the other I hope you realize that and obama is definitely a better candidate than Romney. Romney will be more of a greedy bastard and take all the money he can in making sure big corporations and the rich get their way. The gap of middle class and the wealthy will not stop. I am afraid that people are just going to vote for Romney because Obama hasn't done as good as expected. Obama isn't the best candidate but he is still better than Romney. The last thing we need is a mormon who follows what "god" thinks is right from his book of mormon.
MACAQUE
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Haha we seem to have the same perspective politically even though we were goin' at it in the "War on Drugs" thread. Part of me thinks that we should open up politics to younger people. Have 30 year olds be running for office instead of 50 year olds. Something needs to change.
Also, I think part of the problem is due to people focusing too much on the presidential election and not the election of congressmen, state reps, and local government authority. I think the change would start from the bottom up.
Also, I think part of the problem is due to people focusing too much on the presidential election and not the election of congressmen, state reps, and local government authority. I think the change would start from the bottom up.
BravoWhiskey5280
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To the people who think that I took Obamas words out of context than explain to me why he thinks that its the rich peoples responsibility to pay more taxes than the rest of us? I can only assume that his context meant what exactly what it sounded like because and nothing else because if it didn't, then why else would he feel that the rich needs to pay a significant amount more than everyone else. Do you not get the picture people? Is it that hard for you to understand that rich = successful? Its really not that complicated if you think about it. I mean its pretty much as straightforward as it could ever be, nothing more, nothing less. It is what it is in my mind and have know idea how else to look at it. If you want to fill me in on something that I think Im not getting then by all means help me out because I'd love to know what the president really meant.
The fact that were even debating this though is ludicrous because if you worked you're ass off to make it to the top than why the hell should you have to pay a price for it. The government is pretty much saying this, "I know you worked really hard to get here and worked really hard to become someone but instead of rewarding for you're hard work and contributions, were gonna go ahead and penalize you instead because we believe that you're success would of been possible without our help." I say FUCK THAT SHIT. If I make it to the top, which isn't something that is as easy as we interpret to be, than you better bet you're ass that Im not going to want to pay this ridiculous tax to my government because I simply want to keep the money that I worked to get. The government didn't work for it, and the people that their giving it too sure as hell didn't work for it so they have no business what so ever taking it because IT IS MINE!!! HOLY SHIT PEOLPE!! Does the principle of ownership not fucking existence in this country any more because it sure as hell doesn't seem like it.
Im sorry if I come of as greedy but I quite frankly don't give a FUCK! Im not rich right now, Im actually quite the opposite and I still believe that whats your's is your's and no one else's unless YOU want it to be. If you want to help some one out with some cash than that is purely you're decision and no one else's, especially not the governments. The other problem is that the people who are in the same situation as me, need to stop fucking whining like a little bitch because daddy uncle sam isn't helping him out enough. But some fucking man pants on and sack up you fucking pussies because in the long run, you're not going to go anywhere in life if you keep having this mentality that its somebodies else's responsibility to take care of you. I live pay check to pay check and catch my self broke as hell more often than I'd like. I also cant seem to find a steady job and am living in what is a grueling vicious cycle of applying for a countless number of jobs, getting hired, working for a month or two, and then getting laid off. Yeah its not fun and can be a living hell at times but I sure as hell am not going to ask the government for help because I hate our fucking government and I refuse to say that the I owe my success to them when I do in fact become successful someday. If anything, the government has made my life harder than it ever needed to be. I make fucking minimum wage yet get to see 30% of every pay check I make being forcefully taken from me by the government even though I never agreed to it at all. And the worst part is that the large majority of what is taken out by the government isn't even going to my state government who'd I'd prefer it go to, but no, the majority of it goes to the feds because they are in a huge amount of debt that THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN. It'd be one thing if I contributed to that debt but once again, I don't take shit from the government so I why should I have to give them money like I am????
The only reason we have to put up with this shit is because our government is to incompetent to literally do anything and because our government also deems that it is our responsibility to help out all the lazy-fucks in this country (who are only getting lazier because hey, they don't have work for anything now cause our government hands out what the need for FREE)!!!! Yeah way motivate these people you dumb ass politicians, now they are going to want to make there life so much better and work so much harder because you gave them what usually only the successful people got (because they worked for hard to get it) FOR FREE!!!!
The fact that were even debating this though is ludicrous because if you worked you're ass off to make it to the top than why the hell should you have to pay a price for it. The government is pretty much saying this, "I know you worked really hard to get here and worked really hard to become someone but instead of rewarding for you're hard work and contributions, were gonna go ahead and penalize you instead because we believe that you're success would of been possible without our help." I say FUCK THAT SHIT. If I make it to the top, which isn't something that is as easy as we interpret to be, than you better bet you're ass that Im not going to want to pay this ridiculous tax to my government because I simply want to keep the money that I worked to get. The government didn't work for it, and the people that their giving it too sure as hell didn't work for it so they have no business what so ever taking it because IT IS MINE!!! HOLY SHIT PEOLPE!! Does the principle of ownership not fucking existence in this country any more because it sure as hell doesn't seem like it.
Im sorry if I come of as greedy but I quite frankly don't give a FUCK! Im not rich right now, Im actually quite the opposite and I still believe that whats your's is your's and no one else's unless YOU want it to be. If you want to help some one out with some cash than that is purely you're decision and no one else's, especially not the governments. The other problem is that the people who are in the same situation as me, need to stop fucking whining like a little bitch because daddy uncle sam isn't helping him out enough. But some fucking man pants on and sack up you fucking pussies because in the long run, you're not going to go anywhere in life if you keep having this mentality that its somebodies else's responsibility to take care of you. I live pay check to pay check and catch my self broke as hell more often than I'd like. I also cant seem to find a steady job and am living in what is a grueling vicious cycle of applying for a countless number of jobs, getting hired, working for a month or two, and then getting laid off. Yeah its not fun and can be a living hell at times but I sure as hell am not going to ask the government for help because I hate our fucking government and I refuse to say that the I owe my success to them when I do in fact become successful someday. If anything, the government has made my life harder than it ever needed to be. I make fucking minimum wage yet get to see 30% of every pay check I make being forcefully taken from me by the government even though I never agreed to it at all. And the worst part is that the large majority of what is taken out by the government isn't even going to my state government who'd I'd prefer it go to, but no, the majority of it goes to the feds because they are in a huge amount of debt that THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN. It'd be one thing if I contributed to that debt but once again, I don't take shit from the government so I why should I have to give them money like I am????
The only reason we have to put up with this shit is because our government is to incompetent to literally do anything and because our government also deems that it is our responsibility to help out all the lazy-fucks in this country (who are only getting lazier because hey, they don't have work for anything now cause our government hands out what the need for FREE)!!!! Yeah way motivate these people you dumb ass politicians, now they are going to want to make there life so much better and work so much harder because you gave them what usually only the successful people got (because they worked for hard to get it) FOR FREE!!!!
562056961108
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"Obama has done a few good things and he definitely has his flaws"
He has a fuck ton of flaws, and a few miniscule good points.
" I think people were way to optimistic in him turning it around all in 4 years though."
It's not even about what he would do in for years as a bunch of ignorant people wrapped up in something because it was the thing to do. Seeing all the idiots scream "we want change" made me want to hit myself in the face with hammer a few times.
"The thing is in this country you are only going to be able to vote for A or B. C wont win."
No, you can vote for for c or d. The reason they won't win is that so many people are wrapped in the whole 2 party debate. Their so into their own party that they will never look at anything logically. The fact that someone other than a or b won't win anytime soon is fucking irrelevant. It's not in any way a good reason to vote for a or b, it just shows the problems at hand. IF people straight up didn't vote, or voted for someone legit, we could actually have some progress.
When you vote for the lesser of 2 evils, you ARE the problem, not the solution. How can you have progress if every vote you make is for someone that sucks. Sure you feel they're a little better than the other guy, but they still suck. At that rate you're going to keep going downhill with every election. I don't see how that's hard to grasp.
"The problems in washington go a lot deeper than the president. "
That's obvious.
"Congress just sits around and picks their asses and get bought out by big corporations."
Not even getting bought out. Pretty much been bought out for a long time.
" It goes far deeper than the president and the laws and policies the president tries to pass have to go through congress. "
Again that's obvious.
I voted for ron paul in 08. A lot of elections I've voted for no one because there wasn't a candidate I agreed with. I'm not afraid to be registered and not vote. I don't feel like I have to vote for somebody to get something done. IF all the candidates suck, it would be nice to see that reflected in the voter turn out. Unfortunately it won't happen since people are still sucked into their rep or dem debate. Still doesn't mean it's not worthwhile to stay on principles. I can sleep much better knowing I didn't vote for mccain or obama.
"It's going to be one or the other I hope you realize that"
Have you not read anything I've said. I know it's going to be one or the other. It always is. That's the problem not the solution. You can't downgrade yourself into and upgrade here. It doesn't matter if a is slightly better than b, if they both suck, they fucking suck.
"obama is definitely a better candidate than Romney. " That's such a joke to even get into that. They're both insanely awful candidates. Who seems "better" simply ends up with what side of the political spectrum you fall.
"Romney will be more of a greedy bastard and take all the money he can in making sure big corporations and the rich get their way."
I hate to break it to you but that's going to happen regardless.
" The gap of middle class and the wealthy will not stop. "
Thank you captain obvious.
"I am afraid that people are just going to vote for Romney because Obama hasn't done as good as expected. "
Why are you afraid of that? Because it honestly doesn't matter which one you vote for. And if you really wanted to get into that point, obama has been a fucking joke compared to what he was hyped up to be. Then again, that wasn't the least bit surprising to anyone with a functioning brain.
"Obama isn't the best candidate but he is still better than Romney."
Irrelevant. Even if you feel that way it's still retarded to vote for either.
"The last thing we need is a mormon who follows what god thinks is right from his book of mormon."
Because that's such a relevant issue when things like the patriot act exist, more legislation along those lines is always coming up, the police state get's worse, the value of the dollar goes down, the economy get's shittier and a whole bunch of people are simply arguing about shit like obama being a muslim or romney being mormon.
Fucking brilliant.
Here's the truth. That election won't change anything for the better. it doesn't really matter who you vote for. Regardless of who you cast your vote for, the country will get worse, and there's nothing you can do about it(in voting terms)
Same as it ever was'd.
He has a fuck ton of flaws, and a few miniscule good points.
" I think people were way to optimistic in him turning it around all in 4 years though."
It's not even about what he would do in for years as a bunch of ignorant people wrapped up in something because it was the thing to do. Seeing all the idiots scream "we want change" made me want to hit myself in the face with hammer a few times.
"The thing is in this country you are only going to be able to vote for A or B. C wont win."
No, you can vote for for c or d. The reason they won't win is that so many people are wrapped in the whole 2 party debate. Their so into their own party that they will never look at anything logically. The fact that someone other than a or b won't win anytime soon is fucking irrelevant. It's not in any way a good reason to vote for a or b, it just shows the problems at hand. IF people straight up didn't vote, or voted for someone legit, we could actually have some progress.
When you vote for the lesser of 2 evils, you ARE the problem, not the solution. How can you have progress if every vote you make is for someone that sucks. Sure you feel they're a little better than the other guy, but they still suck. At that rate you're going to keep going downhill with every election. I don't see how that's hard to grasp.
"The problems in washington go a lot deeper than the president. "
That's obvious.
"Congress just sits around and picks their asses and get bought out by big corporations."
Not even getting bought out. Pretty much been bought out for a long time.
" It goes far deeper than the president and the laws and policies the president tries to pass have to go through congress. "
Again that's obvious.
I voted for ron paul in 08. A lot of elections I've voted for no one because there wasn't a candidate I agreed with. I'm not afraid to be registered and not vote. I don't feel like I have to vote for somebody to get something done. IF all the candidates suck, it would be nice to see that reflected in the voter turn out. Unfortunately it won't happen since people are still sucked into their rep or dem debate. Still doesn't mean it's not worthwhile to stay on principles. I can sleep much better knowing I didn't vote for mccain or obama.
"It's going to be one or the other I hope you realize that"
Have you not read anything I've said. I know it's going to be one or the other. It always is. That's the problem not the solution. You can't downgrade yourself into and upgrade here. It doesn't matter if a is slightly better than b, if they both suck, they fucking suck.
"obama is definitely a better candidate than Romney. " That's such a joke to even get into that. They're both insanely awful candidates. Who seems "better" simply ends up with what side of the political spectrum you fall.
"Romney will be more of a greedy bastard and take all the money he can in making sure big corporations and the rich get their way."
I hate to break it to you but that's going to happen regardless.
" The gap of middle class and the wealthy will not stop. "
Thank you captain obvious.
"I am afraid that people are just going to vote for Romney because Obama hasn't done as good as expected. "
Why are you afraid of that? Because it honestly doesn't matter which one you vote for. And if you really wanted to get into that point, obama has been a fucking joke compared to what he was hyped up to be. Then again, that wasn't the least bit surprising to anyone with a functioning brain.
"Obama isn't the best candidate but he is still better than Romney."
Irrelevant. Even if you feel that way it's still retarded to vote for either.
"The last thing we need is a mormon who follows what god thinks is right from his book of mormon."
Because that's such a relevant issue when things like the patriot act exist, more legislation along those lines is always coming up, the police state get's worse, the value of the dollar goes down, the economy get's shittier and a whole bunch of people are simply arguing about shit like obama being a muslim or romney being mormon.
Fucking brilliant.
Here's the truth. That election won't change anything for the better. it doesn't really matter who you vote for. Regardless of who you cast your vote for, the country will get worse, and there's nothing you can do about it(in voting terms)
Same as it ever was'd.
I'm probably running for president when I'm 35. I'm just going to go on tour and get a fuck ton of signatures all year long.
"Also, I think part of the problem is due to people focusing too much on the presidential election and not the election of congressmen, state reps, and local government authority. I think the change would start from the bottom up."
They focus on it enough but they're just fucking stupid. They aren't trying to change anything. Well they are, but they're trying to change the problems by getting more reps or dems into office. There just isn't a large percentage of people trying to get good candidates into office, and even enough good candidates running. The fact that people reelect some of the clowns every few years makes me WUT.
"Also, I think part of the problem is due to people focusing too much on the presidential election and not the election of congressmen, state reps, and local government authority. I think the change would start from the bottom up."
They focus on it enough but they're just fucking stupid. They aren't trying to change anything. Well they are, but they're trying to change the problems by getting more reps or dems into office. There just isn't a large percentage of people trying to get good candidates into office, and even enough good candidates running. The fact that people reelect some of the clowns every few years makes me WUT.
Alexander_Keith
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So wait, wait... With America's terrible economy being your major bone of contention you're now rallying against taxing the ultra-rich, one of the few mechanisms remaining contributing large sums of money back into the economy? You see the contradiction here I hope.
BravoWhiskey5280
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I also want Romney to win because they man obliviously knows what he's doing when it comes to making money. Sure, hate him all you want for being a greedy rich son of a bitch. Put that only makes you look like a douche bag in my eyes because you, like so many others in America seem to be doing, are hating on the rich because they are you're not. Want to know what that basic human emotion is called, its called jealously and it makes the people that hate the rich for being rich look like arrogant little fucks.
Does the cliche "anyone can do what they put their mind to" not exist anymore?
Do we not stride to succeed anymore?
Have we forgotten that competition is an incredibly important aspect of business? It seems like we have because competition was incredibly efficient in separating who was the best at what ever and who was the worst which is something we have seem to deem as a bad thing all of a sudden. Its basic evolution and were getting mad at it, the survival of the fittest had it so that the person who worked the hardest to survive, survived the best and now we all of a sudden we seem to think that this dog eat dog mentality is a bad thing?? Yeah maybe for the ones who aren't the fittest, but up until now we just had to deal with not being the fittest and these hardships gave the ones who didn't want to deal with them anymore, the motivation and determination to become the fittest. Fuck this countries I got you're back mentality towards though's who are lazy fuck ups who's determination to improve is nonexistence because there benefiting from the luxuries of success without becoming successful at all.
I truly believe that if you are one who supports this mentality than you should be the ones giving these lazy-fucks the money they expect to get from the government because the people like me in this country shouldn't have to put up with it because it is stripping us of our freedom. If freedom still existed today than I'd be able to make that choice but Im not. If freedom still existed than we'd let the fuck ups in this country figure it out on their own because that is literally the only way for them do it. How do I know this, because I was one of these lazy fuck-ups and knew that they only way I could change my situation is if I changed myself because only you can do that and no one else. Eventually I got too sick and tired of constantly fucking up so I did what I had to do and got MYSELF out of it. HOLY SHIT GUESS WHAT??? I got myself out the whole I was in and the government didn't HELP ME AT ALL.... SO IT IS ACTUALLY FUCKING POSSIBLE TO SURVIVE WITHOUT THE HELP OF THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!! .... most people are just to lazy to believe it.
Dam Im too worked up. Fuck this country though, and fuck the government that attempts to run it, and lastly fuck the ungrateful lazy bastards in it that expect to be given everything...... The only people I applaud are those who worked their ass of to become successful and the people who refuse to take what the government feels they need to hand out.... Doing it all on you're own will only make you a better and tougher person in the long run.....
Does the cliche "anyone can do what they put their mind to" not exist anymore?
Do we not stride to succeed anymore?
Have we forgotten that competition is an incredibly important aspect of business? It seems like we have because competition was incredibly efficient in separating who was the best at what ever and who was the worst which is something we have seem to deem as a bad thing all of a sudden. Its basic evolution and were getting mad at it, the survival of the fittest had it so that the person who worked the hardest to survive, survived the best and now we all of a sudden we seem to think that this dog eat dog mentality is a bad thing?? Yeah maybe for the ones who aren't the fittest, but up until now we just had to deal with not being the fittest and these hardships gave the ones who didn't want to deal with them anymore, the motivation and determination to become the fittest. Fuck this countries I got you're back mentality towards though's who are lazy fuck ups who's determination to improve is nonexistence because there benefiting from the luxuries of success without becoming successful at all.
I truly believe that if you are one who supports this mentality than you should be the ones giving these lazy-fucks the money they expect to get from the government because the people like me in this country shouldn't have to put up with it because it is stripping us of our freedom. If freedom still existed today than I'd be able to make that choice but Im not. If freedom still existed than we'd let the fuck ups in this country figure it out on their own because that is literally the only way for them do it. How do I know this, because I was one of these lazy fuck-ups and knew that they only way I could change my situation is if I changed myself because only you can do that and no one else. Eventually I got too sick and tired of constantly fucking up so I did what I had to do and got MYSELF out of it. HOLY SHIT GUESS WHAT??? I got myself out the whole I was in and the government didn't HELP ME AT ALL.... SO IT IS ACTUALLY FUCKING POSSIBLE TO SURVIVE WITHOUT THE HELP OF THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!! .... most people are just to lazy to believe it.
Dam Im too worked up. Fuck this country though, and fuck the government that attempts to run it, and lastly fuck the ungrateful lazy bastards in it that expect to be given everything...... The only people I applaud are those who worked their ass of to become successful and the people who refuse to take what the government feels they need to hand out.... Doing it all on you're own will only make you a better and tougher person in the long run.....
BOOM
Truth
Truth
BravoWhiskey5280
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You're a fool if you think that the money the rich pay in taxes are going back into the economy in an efficient way. The only are reason our government taxes the rich this much is because they're too broke to pay for all the social programs they cant afford but deem absolutely necessary to run because they are what they foolishly believe to be what will fix our economy even though they haven't done jack shit to the economy except for make it even worse. Did stimulus work? Nope... Does social security work? Not at all... Does medicare work? Fuck no... Do the record amount of food stamps they hand out make our economy better?? no... Do the unemployment checks they hand out like candy contribute to the economy?? uhhhhhhhhhhhhh no.....
Does any program the federal government runs work in the way and efficient manner they originally intended it to. No.. Everything the feds put their hands on turns into a chaotic frenzy cluster fuck that ends up hurting the economy even more. Hmmmm. maybe we should learn from our fucking mistakes and stop proposing and implementing these federally ran programs that do nothing but hurt our economy. The American people are fucking so stupid because 50% of the countries population actually believe and want for our politicians to create these social programs despite their catastrophic track record... STOP... Just fucking stop because it doesn't work, its never worked, and most importantly, its NEVER EVER GOING TO FUCKING WORK...... EVER!
Does any program the federal government runs work in the way and efficient manner they originally intended it to. No.. Everything the feds put their hands on turns into a chaotic frenzy cluster fuck that ends up hurting the economy even more. Hmmmm. maybe we should learn from our fucking mistakes and stop proposing and implementing these federally ran programs that do nothing but hurt our economy. The American people are fucking so stupid because 50% of the countries population actually believe and want for our politicians to create these social programs despite their catastrophic track record... STOP... Just fucking stop because it doesn't work, its never worked, and most importantly, its NEVER EVER GOING TO FUCKING WORK...... EVER!
BravoWhiskey5280
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Except he did change something because he made it even worse... Thats change still right?
Well either way it get's worse, and that'/s how it's been for years. So the trend doesn't change. Of course there will be changes to make shit worse, but that would have happened with either front candidate in the last few elections.
BravoWhiskey5280
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Its just fascinating to know that the people calling the shots in this country still think that the way to make things better is to just keep spending as much cash as they possibly can.
I'd be lying out my ass right now if I said that I live in the Land of the Free. Its more of the Land the of the Scam if anything. Hard to be optimistic about my future in this country when all I read about and hear about is how my generation is going to be screwed because the people calling the shots right now are to incompetent to do anything right. Talk about a burden man. Thanks for watching our back guys!! And oh yeah, don't forget to enjoy that social security check I paid for. Especially since you guys will be the last generation to ever receive one. But hey, you guys totally deserve it so go ahead and have it while my generation is cleaning up the shit you left all of the place.
Haha what a bunch of fucking inconsiderate assholes our parents and grandparents generation our. The funniest part too is that the US economy was arguably the strongest its ever been when they were are age..
I'd be lying out my ass right now if I said that I live in the Land of the Free. Its more of the Land the of the Scam if anything. Hard to be optimistic about my future in this country when all I read about and hear about is how my generation is going to be screwed because the people calling the shots right now are to incompetent to do anything right. Talk about a burden man. Thanks for watching our back guys!! And oh yeah, don't forget to enjoy that social security check I paid for. Especially since you guys will be the last generation to ever receive one. But hey, you guys totally deserve it so go ahead and have it while my generation is cleaning up the shit you left all of the place.
Haha what a bunch of fucking inconsiderate assholes our parents and grandparents generation our. The funniest part too is that the US economy was arguably the strongest its ever been when they were are age..
ECGove
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OP you've totally made my day. Multiparagraph responses about politics on a skiing website just takes the cake you loser. Nobody gives one fuck about what some jack wagon from ft. Collins thinks about economic policy. You have NO expertise in the issues of which you speak. Absolutely none. It's pathetic and you look like an asshat.
I'm gonna vote for the black guy for two reasons...gay marriage and abortion. This is American, we don't discriminate. It's very simple.
I'm gonna vote for the black guy for two reasons...gay marriage and abortion. This is American, we don't discriminate. It's very simple.
BravoWhiskey5280
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Wow you are the epitome of what is fucked up about our country. I am concerned about what my future holds for me because if you think our economy is bad now, than you may want to read the news because everyone says that we'll have it even worse, which we will because it is now inevitable at this point.
But yeah you're right, legislation on gay marriage and abortion is WAY more important when it comes to determining the success of my generation in the future. You know, we might as well and forget about the economy because its just money after all. Who cares if were completely broke and unemployed, we'll be all good as long as our gays can get married and our girls can have their abortions. Thanks for encouraging the optimism!!!
It means so much to me seeing as how Im not gay and how I don't plan on ever having an abortion. But hey, Im not the expert according to you, so as long as we fix those things than no sweat cause we'll be all good
Wow...... Get a fucking clue....
Don't talk to me about discrimination because I know for a fact that what you consider discrimination is nothing close to what it actually is. Go to Nairobi Kenya and walk through the largest slum in the world, you'll see that our countries definition of discrimination is "very simple" compared to theirs. Now Im not saying that our issues with gay marriage and abortion aren't important, but I can with out a doubt say that we should be thankful for our social problems because there are other countries out there in the world that love to have and deal with our social problems instead of theirs.
Just a little of advice from me to you, don't talk to me about politics because you nothing. In fact, you shouldn't even talk to anyone because you seriously no nothing. People like you are the reason why Obama got elected in the first place. Americans like you treat politics as if it were a popularity contest. How about you make you're primary concern the most important concern and then we can deal with the minor issues once the one that is causing the biggest problems is taken care okay. I mean doesn't it make sense to address the one that affects the most americans (which is pretty much every American actually) first?
But yeah you're right, legislation on gay marriage and abortion is WAY more important when it comes to determining the success of my generation in the future. You know, we might as well and forget about the economy because its just money after all. Who cares if were completely broke and unemployed, we'll be all good as long as our gays can get married and our girls can have their abortions. Thanks for encouraging the optimism!!!
It means so much to me seeing as how Im not gay and how I don't plan on ever having an abortion. But hey, Im not the expert according to you, so as long as we fix those things than no sweat cause we'll be all good
Wow...... Get a fucking clue....
Don't talk to me about discrimination because I know for a fact that what you consider discrimination is nothing close to what it actually is. Go to Nairobi Kenya and walk through the largest slum in the world, you'll see that our countries definition of discrimination is "very simple" compared to theirs. Now Im not saying that our issues with gay marriage and abortion aren't important, but I can with out a doubt say that we should be thankful for our social problems because there are other countries out there in the world that love to have and deal with our social problems instead of theirs.
Just a little of advice from me to you, don't talk to me about politics because you nothing. In fact, you shouldn't even talk to anyone because you seriously no nothing. People like you are the reason why Obama got elected in the first place. Americans like you treat politics as if it were a popularity contest. How about you make you're primary concern the most important concern and then we can deal with the minor issues once the one that is causing the biggest problems is taken care okay. I mean doesn't it make sense to address the one that affects the most americans (which is pretty much every American actually) first?
accualyisdolan
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ECGove
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Once again, your ranting responses are both hilarious and the opposite of insightful. Nobody is reading your posts because this is the Internet and nobody gives a single fuck. Please quote this with another 3 paragraphs of drivel so I can laugh for another 5 minutes.
Do everyone a favor and sit the next couple of plays out champ. We've all read enough nonsense for one day.
Do everyone a favor and sit the next couple of plays out champ. We've all read enough nonsense for one day.
snowbombz
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I should not have to even explain to you why listening to the entire speech is important, but it is. John Stewart spent the entire July 25th episode explaining this. He does not make any overtly liberal or conservative points, but instead points out that Romney and Obama said the exact same thing.
Since you watch Fox News, you will clearly not watch this, but whatever:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-july-25-2012-joseph-stiglitz
Seriously, watch this.
Since you watch Fox News, you will clearly not watch this, but whatever:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-july-25-2012-joseph-stiglitz
Seriously, watch this.
little1337
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Lets all write in EHeath
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Gods_Father
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This is prob the shittest feeling that I ever experience. Even when all the facts are right in their faces. I wish I had real advice for you lol, watch Idiocracy though. 
politics are all fucked up.....obama will get re elected on the basis of him being a minority. Its why he was elected in the first place. Obama has every minority group behind him essentially and has a huge advantage over romney. People hate romney becuase hes greedy and so rich. I would rather have a succesful business man run this country that some dumbass who clearly hasnt done shit
skijunkiedtm
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is he ignorant or speaking on behalf of ignorant Americans?
Mr.Sloth
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I side with Obama, and here is why:
Economically, I'm actually conservative. But as far as economics go, that is
all Congress. Not to mention Romney will just end up fucking it up anyway.
The real reason I support Obama is social issues. He won me with his stances
on gay marriage, socialized health care, and abortion, among other things.
Having a socially liberal president sends a good message to Europe and other
countries that look at America as a backwards and retardedly self centered
country.
My $0.02
BravoWhiskey5280
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I don't know where you guys keep getting this idea that I watch fox news because I never said I did. Im tired of handing out my hard earned money to the government to watch it disappear. The government is so desperate for cash and will take it from you in how ever it can a find a way. Im strapped for cash and only have me, myself, and I to help support me which is fine, but the amounts of money I could save if the government didn't take out 30% percent of every pay check I made would make life a lot easier. I live pay check to pay check because I have no other way so that means that I don't want to have to wait until April for my tax return to get the money I made back in my pocket. Thats some BS in my opinion.
Apparently known of you have felt the effects of this economy like I have and I guess you should be fortunate because this past year has been with out a doubt the toughest and longest of my life. I went from getting 43 days of skiing during the 10/11 winter to just one day this past season, just painting you a little picture of what I've going through. I think everyone on this site can attest to the fact that getting one day under you're belt during the whole season is something that would suck and let me tell yeah you, its as bad it sounds because skiing is my passion.
Apparently known of you have felt the effects of this economy like I have and I guess you should be fortunate because this past year has been with out a doubt the toughest and longest of my life. I went from getting 43 days of skiing during the 10/11 winter to just one day this past season, just painting you a little picture of what I've going through. I think everyone on this site can attest to the fact that getting one day under you're belt during the whole season is something that would suck and let me tell yeah you, its as bad it sounds because skiing is my passion.
BravoWhiskey5280
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And I side with the Republicans because of a number of reasons. Like this one for example, The unemployment rate dropped in every state that elected a republican Governor in 2010. Keynesianism economics at its finest.
.ZT.
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Obama or this man?
/images/flash_video_placeholder.pngHe's a business man, he must be better than Obama! Please...
Saying Obama only got elected for his race is just stupid and a dumb excuse. You seriously MUST be trolling a long with OP. I mean really this has just gotten sad, reminds me of the Chik Fil A thread where that idiot tried to prove Gay Marriage is bad.
/images/flash_video_placeholder.pngHe's a business man, he must be better than Obama! Please...
Saying Obama only got elected for his race is just stupid and a dumb excuse. You seriously MUST be trolling a long with OP. I mean really this has just gotten sad, reminds me of the Chik Fil A thread where that idiot tried to prove Gay Marriage is bad.
BravoWhiskey5280
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I also don't see a problem with talking politics on this forum because they majority of its users are young adult americans who really should be taking an interest in this election because of the repercussions of it. I also feel like anyone who discourages political talk is dumb because every american adult should know whats going on with their country so don't bash for talking about it because Im just exercising my rights. Now I know that Im not an expert but I feel that Im qualified to have a valid opinion because I've personally felt the effects of this economy and there is no doubt that its making my life harder. Im also not going to just leave it to the experts to figure it out because our experts suck.
Tree60
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whoops, mistype, I meant 20k. and it was for starting small businesses. Heres an article talking about it. http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/04/27/473096/romney-borrow-money-parents/
Look, somebody else said this in the thread. Economically I'm conservative, but that's up to congress. Obama hasn't done as much as he said he was in his term, because the two party system is bullshit and he had a republican congress, which means that nothing he puts out goes through. But I am much more with obama on the social issues like gay marriage and abortion rights and so on. Romney has had to change his political views on things like abortion and gay marriage because a canidate needs to appeal to the whole spectrum of people on whichever side they are running on, including the super conservative or the super liberal.
Look, somebody else said this in the thread. Economically I'm conservative, but that's up to congress. Obama hasn't done as much as he said he was in his term, because the two party system is bullshit and he had a republican congress, which means that nothing he puts out goes through. But I am much more with obama on the social issues like gay marriage and abortion rights and so on. Romney has had to change his political views on things like abortion and gay marriage because a canidate needs to appeal to the whole spectrum of people on whichever side they are running on, including the super conservative or the super liberal.
BravoWhiskey5280
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Holy shit I posted a video and its not from fox news. Yes it is actually possible for us conservatives to get our information else where. Mind blowing right? Anyways, I'd recommend watching this.
Holy shit I posted a video and its not from fox news. Yes it is actually possible for us conservatives to get our information else where. Mind blowing right? Anyways, I'd recommend watching this.