Obama '08 Cult!

it is soooooo obvious that xtakewarninx and jimmychung have no idea what is actually happening in iran. im not trying to act like i know it all but i do know that the media portrayel of iran is bs and you two obviously believe it. iran is a democratic muslim state that doesnt like the united states foreign policy, oh my god they are terrorists! its absurd. and presedential candidates should should say nuclear first strikes should be out of the question but they dont, im the only one who sees thats wrong? iran is honestly as much of a threat to us as poland is. same with venuzuala but the media is making them out to be bad. obviously uber religious assholes like huckabee and neocons like giuliani wont back away from there twisted view on the middle east but im confused as to why somone like obama who does SEEM like a good candidate does not get it. im only hearing a good plan from Paul and Gravel. obama thinks they atacked us on 9/11 because they hate our freedoms which is the same shit giuliani and bush preach. its fucking stupid. i could be wrong but he has not made it clear that thats what he thinks.
 
Well hopefully you will dedicate your life to journalism because it's obvious that you're the only one in here who knows what the world is really like. I go by the news, and multiple stations at that, for my information on the world because honestly, that's what's available to me.
 
see, thats exactly what i DONT want you to think. i dont know everything, i just know the media is bullshit when it comes to the middle east. they lie. for most americans they see the world the way the media sees it,i dont know shit about most stuff so i dont act like i do and im not trying to act like im an expert on the middle east.
 
well then how do you know that it's a lie? How is it that you've found the truth, yet we, including the presidential candidates that you don't like, are stuck believing in this elaborate lie?
 
that wasn't meant to sound mean - I just don't understand how Ron Paul (and you) have found this entirely different view of the world when everybody else, though we have the exact same rescources and opportunities, feel that there are threats in the world. I'm almost positive it's just a matter of psychology - realism (us) vs idealism (you), which isn't bad, but it's hard to see how idealists can view the world as safe and Iran not a threat when, even though they are democratically elected (though so are we and you can't trust our gov't either, eh?), they're funding those who are hurting us and our allies (Israel... though everybody hates Israel over there).
 
like what?

And I would hardly qualify beginning to study politics in '79 as being involved in politics.
 
your making it sound like its a tiny amount of people and that makes it sound like bullshit. its easy how most people believe this " elaborate lie". the media. tv, and people spreading the bullshit they hear on tv.
 
any country run by a man who doesn't believe that the holocaust ever happened can be considered a threat. the man's fucking nuts and if he possibly has access to nuclear weapons, then holy shit. but it's definitely not time to do anything rash, and obama agrees. all he has said is that iran is a possible threat because they've shown hostility towards the US and they possibly have nukes. if somebody hates you and they have an immense means of taking you down, wouldn't you consider them a threat?
 
george bush believes jesus talks to him, obama believes in god, i find this much more dangerous then denying the holocaust, also he didint deny it , he doesnt believe the numbers. he has a right too, in the middle east muslims hate jews for what israel has done. they grow up in a society where jews are demonized just like in america muslims are demonized, and palestinians and iraqis have suffered much more becuase of americans and israeli then americans have from muslims. i really am getting tired of this though, some people get it and some blindly trust the media

 
there is a huge difference between believing in god and being a mindless religious drone.

all i've seen you do in this thread is post how everyone is wrong, and how you are right, then claim that you actualy don't know everything, but still remain that everone one else is wrong.

if we can't trust the "media" which has LOTS of different coverage and varied view points, which span the whole lot of peoples oppinions, WHERE do we get our information from? personal investigation?
 
fanatical christians are more dangerous then muslims because the christians have thousands of nukes and the muslims have ak's and ied's. everythin else you said is retarded
 
believing in god does not make you a fanatical christain, just like being muslim doesnt make you a suicide bomber.

as for the 'retarded' shit i said, i was asking where DO we get our information if the news is all lies?

i'm pretty sure you're the one who sounds tarded here
 
oh my fuckign god, WHERE DID I SAY BELIEVING IN GOD MAKES YOU A FANATIC? george bush said jesus talks to him. neocons are zionists. its a fact. libby? wolfowitz? research these people. pnac, which melvs talks about, was based off of an israeli policy paper called securing the realm of zion or something like that. our leaders our fanatics. who has caused more damage? al queida or the us military? im not saying we are worse, obviously we are not but we have killed and caused more destruction and we are much more dangerous and pose more of a threat to the world then stupid fucking jihadists.
 
you're argument against obama, you equated him believing in god to bush who thinks he speaks to god. Those two people are on two entirely different levels of religious faith.
 
i said obama believing in a supernatural god, is more dangerous then denying the holocaust. mel gibson denys the fucking holocaust he is harmless also as i said earlier irans president doesnt not belive the whole holocaust he questions the numbers.
 
if you're an athiest, you have the oppertunity to avoid religions biggest downfall... that of intollerance, yet you are squandering this by saying that the beliefe in god is a dangerous thing. For the few that go overboard in their fundamentalism, there are plenty of religious people who believe in a god but arn't dangerous like you say they are.

mel gibson may not be "harmless" in terms of killing people and having a nuke at his hands, but i'm sure he offends and causes more harm to families who have a history that is related to the holocaust than most church going folks.

 
i dont like repubs at all.. but i dont really like the demo's lately either.. hil rod is just cray cray.. and obama is just another bi partisan crat. i dont like what the pubs are all about. which is basically social seperation.. but at least they're for something.. the dems are kinda always just trying to be everyone's friend.. instead of really taking a side. what this really is for the democrats is the all hailing question of.. the black man or the woman?/ i like obama way bettern though. and i want to try and save the world.. even though its hopeless.. so i'm down for the obama cult.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

"Mahmoud Ahmadinejad describes Holocaust as 'myth'"

That seems to suggest that the man doesn't believe that it happened at all. He also goes on to say that Israel should be "wiped off the map." Israel is our ally, and if he wants them obliterated, and we support them, I'd say the country is a possible threat. And are you saying that believing in something that people have believed for thousands of years that could possibly be true (do not let this argument go into religion) is more of a threat than believing not believing in something that is an absolute 100% proven historical fact that everyone with a fully functional brain believes in? the only reason mel gibson is harmless is because he doesn't run a country, and one with nuclear potential at that. imagine if the man was the leader of a country??

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i'm saying that the one thing all religions have in common is intollerance, and that if you are an athiest as it sounds you are, you have an oppertunity to escape from this common ground of intollerance because you are not bound to a scripture
 
If Obama is elected this country will be on its way down the shitter, beyond the point of no return. Needless to say, Bush has already put us on the path, that fucker, but putting in a democrat will only make matters worse. Obama's got really nothing going for him over the other candidates besides being half black. Stupid white people will vote for him because they've lost sight of their own identity and don't want to be "bigots". I couldn't help but cringe yesterday at my graduation when some stupid girl brought in that we could be the open minded generation that "elects a woman or black president!" during her speech. Before you call me a "white supremacist", know that I'm half Chilean and have lived there for a about half of my life. I've also lived in Mexico, England, and Costa Rica, so I'd say I have a good view of what the world is like unlike most American kids who live in their suburban cocoons.

Americans, in general, are usually too stupid to realize how fragile economies are. Once this country loses its economy, it has nothing. Corrupt democrats and republicans just keep levying more and more taxes. The wheels have already been sent in motion for the exodus of wealth from America, simply put its becoming too difficult to run a profitable business without being robbed by the government. There is a strong sense of inequity in this country, many people work 6 months out the year for the government to pay their taxes. A government that pays ridiculous pensions and benefits to government employees, while those in the private sector get fucked out of their money at every turn. I'd also like to add that I have strong doubts that this country will survive with a white minority.

That being said, I would rather have Obama over Hillary anyday but its just the lesser of the two evils.
 
i don't think you read what i posted, so i don't think you can call anyone an idiot

all religions have scriptures, books, teachings, that do not favor other religions.

athiests do not have these scriptures, books, and teachings that would make them be intollerant.

this does not mean that they ARE, it just means that they arn't held to any teachings of intollerance.
 
Maybe not bound to scripture but atheists are bound to their own hatred of other people and religion.

You don't know what you are talking about. I don't care if you're an atheist, you can do whatever the fuck you want, but don't think you are morally superior to anyone who believes in religion. You're just trying to lump all religious people in with fundamentalist Muslims and Christians, the latter being far less dangerous.

 
Also, Salcedo, you actually DO seem to have a grasp on reality and life in other parts of the world. I'm curious, you spoke of a lesser of two evils, but is there a candidate you support that's in the race?
 
ok... enough is enough... I like Ron Paul as well... but there is a fucking snowball's chance in hell of him winning the election in 2008.

#1 The repulicans are not going to let him run on their ticket. That means he'll be running as an independent.

#2 There are WAY too many people in this country that vote simply on the party and not on the candidate.

I'm sorry there is no way in hell of Ron Paul winning the election. Voting for him is like throwing your vote away.

You need to vote realisitically. Look at the candidates that actually have a fucking shot of winning the election. Then cost benefit analysis and personal judgement takes over. Your better off getting someone in office that will address some of your issues rather than the chance of getting someone that will address even fewer of them.

NOW... i'm not saying that this is right... it's actually quite fucked up... but sadly thats how you play the game.

 
As of now, I think Ron Paul is the closest on par with what I think would be best for America. Sadly though, there is a clear media conspiracy against him. Although I disagree with him on some points, for the most part he knows the deal. Lower taxes, smaller government, less government spending, secure border with a stop to illegal immigration, against the Iraq War, and he is not part of the government pension program that I hate. However he does not fully recognize the threat of islamic fascism and that is a problem.

What we have in the U.S. right now is Scandinavian taxes with no Scandinavian benefits, except perhaps for the state employees. Socialism will not work in America.

American politics have turned into a twisted popularity contest. The issues no longer seem to be relevant, its all about recognition. Honestly, who in their right mind would vote for a psycho, power hungry woman like Hillary Clinton? She is just riding her name, nobody would give a fuck about her if she didn't have the name. Obama is a novice, nowhere near fit to run the superpower of the world. He seems like a good man at heart though and he is a good speaker. Him being black should have no bearing on whether or not he receives the nomination though.
 
fuck you dude, i'm not trying to make my self out ot be any better than anyone else. I was defending obama's belief in god as something that is not dangerous when someone else tried to compair his belief in god to GW's belief in god.

i was making a point that the kid who said that anyone who believes in god is a danger to society does not have an excusefor being intollerant of others choice to religion if he's an athiest. His intollerance is as you said something his own. But he doesnt HAVE to be that way, there is no book saying so, where as religions do have a book to provide an exscuse for their intollerance.

you accused me of lumping all religious people in with fundamental muslims, saying chirstians are far less dangerous.

go talk to anyone over in the middle east, i'm sure they'd say that evangelical christianity is more dangerous than the average muslim.
 
You are a tool. Voting for Ron Paul is far from a waste. He actually has a legit chance. He is gaining alot more money and support than you think.
 
can the ron paul suporters tell me how he plans on fixing our massive national debt without raising taxes?

a no tax system might sound good for the individual prima face, but you have to look at things from the big picture, the individual is benifited most when the whole society is bennifited.

A tax reform, and raise so that the wealthiest people take the majority of the tax burden off of the middle class seems like a better option than cutting funding from other parts of our society.
 
He is not planning on totally getting rid of the complete tax system, just the ones he feels are wrongfully abusive on the middle class. Basically he is standing for a change in the tax system so that is more fair to the common man.
 
correct me if i'm wrong, but he still won't raise taxes, while other canidates offer tax reform to make it more fair for the middle class, and a tax raise so that we can actually repair the burden the past administration has put on us
 
Lets go back to my original post.

#1 Ron Paul is not going to be the Republican Party candidate in 2005. I'd bet the house on it.

#2 An Independent is not going to win the election.

...Thus Ron Paul is not going to be the president in November of 2008. If you vote for Ron Paul you're going to be wasting a vote that could've put someone in office that at least has some shot of getting some of your issues addressed. Notice I'm not even supporting any other candidate. Fuck it. I don't even know who I'm going to vote for next year. But I can tell you that it wont be Ron Paul. I'd much rather vote in the lesser of two evils into office, than simply make statement and risk the greater of the to evils being elected.

I'm sure that after you vote for Ron Paul next November you're going to get a great euphoric sence of satisfaction about the great deed you just did and probably enjoy the smell of your own farts, while you tell everyone "see guys he came on really strong as an idependent. he got 5% of the vote. But at least we did our best to vote for the best guy for the job! yay!"

Like I said, I actually love Ron Paul. He has some great ideas, like streamlining the government, and reducing spending and the works. He's a really down to earth guy. But some of his ideas are just flat out not possible. Like someone else said, theres no way we can reduce the deficit, through cutting spending alone. Not to mention he wants to reduce taxes, and eventually elimiminate federal income tax. He's a great guy, it's just a shame that he does have a chance in hell of winning the election.

I hate independents because they fuck shit up, and help fuck-tards like Bush get into office, because people like you would rather vote for "the best guy for the job". I know that sounds so terrible for me to say, but it's true.

 
this is a very high quality post. I also think that Ron Paul has some good concepts. I also think that Ron Paul is far too idealistic with some of his approaches. Things are much more complicated than what he makes them out to be and problems are not solved as easily. If he does end up getting the independent nomination (since he clearly won't get the republican nomination - and Eleven, or conceptkid, don't even bother refuting that. Even if he is a "true conservative," he differs far too much with the rest of the republican party to even think about being nominated) any vote towards him will be a vote to the republicans and a vote away from the democrats. So if Ron Paul really wants to help out his party, he'll run as an independent.
 
Once again, you are an idiot. Because someone has a holy book that they follow then it automatically makes them HAVE to be an intolerant person. Get your shit straight son.

I could care less what the average Muslim in the Middle East says, until they start speaking out against radicalism they are just a part of the problem. Fundamentalist Christians aren't waving around AK-47s and strapping bombs to themselves. Radical Islam is much, much more prevalent among muslims than radical Christianity is among Christians. Good Christians have done much to help their fellow man.
 
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