they are big. Im 6'1 185 lbs. I have the troop pant ( baggy fit, same type of fit) and the crotch is to my knees. Its big , but not too big. I would not sugest the XXL baggy fit though, unless you are mortally obiese. If its a loose fit, then its one size smaller then the baggy fit. I have some XXL rush pants, and they are the same size as my XL troop pants. I can take pics if you really need it.