NYPD shoots man wielding knife.

[Charlie_Kelly]

If cops are so brutal, how about you do their job then? Let's give you a gun, a badge, and a uniform and send you in to some of these neighbourhoods. Cops risk their lives on a daily basis, and the fact that you can't respect that is beyond me. They're people, no one is perfect, probably not even you.

It's real easy to look at them from the sidelines and point fingers about every mistake they make, but how about you put your money where your mouth is and become a cop then? Maybe you'll be able to affect real change then instead of just talking about it

Id say the majority of officers rarely "put their lives on the line". City cops, sure everday. State police, sure maybe once a week. Local cops, maybe once every couple months if not years.

There are thousands upon thousands of cops in America but im willing to bet only a small percentage actually work in environments where their life is always at risk.

I thought of being a cop. Its such an easy outlet if other things fall through. Then I realized the majority of what Id be doing would consist of sitting in a car all day and filling out paperwork. Not for me.

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

Occupy Wallstreet may have began as a protest to hold corrupt businessmen accountable, but it lost it's focus and message almost immediately and then turned into a joke. People were protesting, but they didn't know what for.

You may believe that taking this out on the police is a perfect course of action, but don't stand by and complain that you weren't treated perfectly because you were being a dick when you were pulled over or had some kind of interaction with the police.

Yes, police make mistakes. Sometimes it's blatant disregard for the law, but I'm willing to bet most of the time they are honest mistakes. Mistakes don't make someone incompetent. If it happens over and over again, then yes.

As a social worker, I work with police on a regular basis. They are decent people doing their best and have a tough enough time without having people who don't know the law scrutinizing their every move. I know this because I have to deal with the same issue with the general public with my work.

I completely see where you are coming from but...

-i agree that the occupy movement lost its way but thats not to say the gov. didnt still know what was being protested and chose to effectively do nothing.

-Im always respectful to officers so ive never had that problem

-Yes officers make mistakes but they are there to protect, they are armed and most citizens are not, and they have certain powers ocer citizens and therefore should be held to a higher standard. In their line of work even some honest mistakes are still unacceptable.

-No doubt that the majority of these guys are hard working, good people incompetance is imcompetance and if you arent good at a job, you shouldnt have it. Even some of the nicest people are terrible ar their jobs and when Im trusting them with my safety I want to make damn sure they are good at theirs.

 

[louie.mirags]

One major problem is the militarization of the police and laws against non-violent crimes. People getting harassed for living life they way to choose

 

[J.D.]

-i agree that the occupy movement lost its way but thats not to say the gov. didnt still know what was being protested and chose to effectively do nothing.

Really? Because if the protestors don't know what's being protested, what they want, what the actual problem is, no one else (government included) is going to try to figure it out for them.

OWS was, quintessentially, a bunch of tools protesting because they wanted to protest something. It accomplished nothing precisely because it was stupid.

Incidentally, while a lot of these Police-violence-against-blacks protests are idiotic and deliberately incendiary (people who are partly protesting and partly being destructive because they suck), the underlying issue being protested is clear and legitimate and pressing. As a result, you've got the President of the United States talking about it, and talking about measures to try to ameliorate the issue. This is a pretty complicated problem that's entrenched in US society, so it's not a quick fix, but there has been and I think will continue to be progress.

 

[MLJ]

driving drunk when I used to

So you're saying that because you did something as fucking stupid as driving while drunk, everyone else should get let off for it? Fuck off. Kids are stupid, they don't understand the mistakes they could be making. By "busting" a kid and his friends for driving drunk, you could be saving their lives. Last year 31% of all motoring deaths happened because of intoxication.

Its the same with many other things. You're saying that "that criminal who was evading taxes shouldn't be bothered, if dumb kids wanna buy cheap cigs from him its their problem" Well don't be doing something illegal in the first place. The laws in the US (other than drinking age) are pretty straightforward and generally pretty lenient. I mean smoking weed is legal in some states for gods sake.

 

[louie.mirags]

So you're saying that because you did something as fucking stupid as driving while drunk, everyone else should get let off for it? Fuck off. Kids are stupid, they don't understand the mistakes they could be making. By "busting" a kid and his friends for driving drunk, you could be saving their lives. Last year 31% of all motoring deaths happened because of intoxication.

Its the same with many other things. You're saying that "that criminal who was evading taxes shouldn't be bothered, if dumb kids wanna buy cheap cigs from him its their problem" Well don't be doing something illegal in the first place. The laws in the US (other than drinking age) are pretty straightforward and generally pretty lenient. I mean smoking weed is legal in some states for gods sake.

No dude that is not what I am saying at all... I said I couldn't bust people for the same shit I did. If somebody wants to, then be a cop...

And no again I am not saying people who evade taxes should be ignored. I am saying the law is dumb, not enforcing it. The law should be changed. The crazy price of smokes causes a black market.

And yes weed is really relaxed in NY.. unless you're black. The numbers prove it! That is why stop and frisk was/is such a big deal in nyc. They claim stop and frisk is to rid the street of guns and terrorist.. However, that rule got so many minorities locked up for weed it is insane. Even though weed is decriminalized, the cops would search a person for no reason other then they can, and then get them for weed in public view.

 

[DasGoatenshafter]

Welcome to NYC... Have you not heard about the problems with stop and frisk?

And tax evasion in the case with the dude getting choked out was selling lucys (loose cigs).. minor victimless crime. Which is indirectly caused by the government by jacking the price up of cigs to as much as 15-20 bucks in NY. Forcing underground markets of cigs.

Tax evasion isn't victimless though. Cigarettes are a luxury, not a staple, which are known to have adverse affects to your health, and that costs society. In taxes. They government has every right to tax the crap out of addictive products that cost them money in the long run. These taxes are then used to benefit society as a whole through social programs, especially those living in poverty.

Police departments also happen to be on of these social programs that the taxes pay for. If you want better policing, you might start by giving officers better pay to attract better people. This happens with increased government spending. This money comes from taxes.

Obviously choking someone isn't the solution to that, but you can't expect people to ignore the law just because someone is poor, just like people don't like it when rich people get off the hook for things. And again, if you are running a legal business, you will be incorporated, have sales records and tax records and the works and have no reason to fear the cops. If you aren't running a legal business, you should probably not fight the police and should accept that they got you.

 

[Zimmerman]

The laws in the US (other than drinking age) are pretty straightforward and generally pretty lenient.

lol

 

[DasGoatenshafter]

And yes weed is really relaxed in NY.. unless you're black. The numbers prove it! That is why stop and frisk was/is such a big deal in nyc. They claim stop and frisk is to rid the street of guns and terrorist.. However, that rule got so many minorities locked up for weed it is insane. Even though weed is decriminalized, the cops would search a person for no reason other then they can, and then get them for weed in public view.

I did look into the stop and frisk thing too, and the targeting of minorities stems from the high population of minorities in high crime areas where they apparently do stop and frisk the most. Might we also consider how many minorities are involved in gang related crime and violence, and how by coming down hard on at risk individuals, they might reduce the number of gang recruits or increase the number of gang members they take off the street etc.

I know that there are tons of shades of grey there, but its similar to insurance being higher on teenagers and young drivers. Being young doesn't make you drive poorly, but lots of bad drivers happen to be young.

 

[louie.mirags]

Tax evasion isn't victimless though. Cigarettes are a luxury, not a staple, which are known to have adverse affects to your health, and that costs society. In taxes. They government has every right to tax the crap out of addictive products that cost them money in the long run. These taxes are then used to benefit society as a whole through social programs, especially those living in poverty.

A luxury? Not a staple? What are you even talking about?? What somebody wants to do with their body is none of your business. That is my point. People should be able to do what they want with their life as long as it doesn't impede on anybody else's rights. The government has every right to tax it's people whatever they want? As if the government is not for the people and ran by normal people... Remember the tea party much? People are going to get around that absurd tax as much as possible.

 

[louie.mirags]

I did look into the stop and frisk thing too, and the targeting of minorities stems from the high population of minorities in high crime areas where they apparently do stop and frisk the most. Might we also consider how many minorities are involved in gang related crime and violence, and how by coming down hard on at risk individuals, they might reduce the number of gang recruits or increase the number of gang members they take off the street etc.

I know that there are tons of shades of grey there, but its similar to insurance being higher on teenagers and young drivers. Being young doesn't make you drive poorly, but lots of bad drivers happen to be young.

Yes, a high number of minorities in these crime areas. The cops are there to get guns of the street. Google the amount of guns they actually find. Then, google the amount of minorities arrested for misdemeanor drug possession. It is NUTS! So to get guns off the street? Or get minorities off the streets?

 

[El_Barto.]

Yes, a high number of minorities in these crime areas. The cops are there to get guns of the street. Google the amount of guns they actually find. Then, google the amount of minorities arrested for misdemeanor drug possession. It is NUTS! So to get guns off the street? Or get minorities off the streets?

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[louie.mirags]

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that is pretty funny... However, minorities being harassed in nyc and across the country is a real problem.

 

[DasGoatenshafter]

A luxury? Not a staple? What are you even talking about?? What somebody wants to do with their body is none of your business. That is my point. People should be able to do what they want with their life as long as it doesn't impede on anybody else's rights. The government has every right to tax it's people whatever they want? As if the government is not for the people and ran by normal people... Remember the tea party much? People are going to get around that absurd tax as much as possible.

Taxing a product that costs the government money is not stopping someone from using that product. It is increasing the price as a deterrent, and as a way to help pay for the costs it incurs. Things like groceries are an item that you cannot live without, thus are not taxed. Cigarettes are poison that significantly shorten many people's lifespan and people cannot survive on, thus are taxed.

Let me make it simpler:

iPhone: taxed

Watermelon: not taxed

PS4: taxed

Celery: not taxed

Cigarettes: taxed

Bread: not taxed

The government prohibiting cigarettes would be stopping them from harming their bodies, but that isn't the case

But do you realize what taxes are in place for? Or how you already are to be in a country with remarkably low taxes as it is?

Taxes pay for your school, they pay for your police force, your fire department, the people who issue your drivers license, road maintenance, scientific research, a military, services. Poor people hardly pay any taxes other than sales taxes, relative to the middle and upper class, or big corporations. You don't need to agree with your governments stance on everything to realize that you still pay into important programs and services that the private sector wouldn't be interested in. This is how tax evasion hurts people and why its a big deal when companies do it. Why would it be illegal for some people and not others?

 

[DasGoatenshafter]

Yes, a high number of minorities in these crime areas. The cops are there to get guns of the street. Google the amount of guns they actually find. Then, google the amount of minorities arrested for misdemeanor drug possession. It is NUTS! So to get guns off the street? Or get minorities off the streets?

Sorry for the double post!

So are you saying that it should now be legal to carry drugs and weapons on you? Possibly they don't find as many guns now because people know that cops might just grab your gun. And maybe cops bring people in on drug possession because they are in a high crime area, that is an illegal activity still, and they want to make their presence known so that they can hopefully reduce crime in the future.

Do you propose we just let people walk around selling drugs and concealing weapons freely, all while not paying into taxes so that there are no services available to the public and only gangsters prosper?

I understand that there are discontinuities between how some people are treated by cops, but it is a more complex issue than race, and you really absolutely cannot be upset when you get arrested for doing something illegal!

I'd be pissed if I was arrested for wiping my arse, but I wouldn't give a fiddlers fart if they arrested me for dealing or something. I'd be like, wow... you got me for selling illicit drugs. Thats illegal and maybe I should evaluate my life decisions because now I'm getting my bum bum loosened up by Tiny in prison.

 

[louie.mirags]

Taxing a product that costs the government money is not stopping someone from using that product. It is increasing the price as a deterrent, and as a way to help pay for the costs it incurs. Things like groceries are an item that you cannot live without, thus are not taxed. Cigarettes are poison that significantly shorten many people's lifespan and people cannot survive on, thus are taxed.

no what I mean is the incredibly high tax forces a black market...

Sorry for the double post!

So are you saying that it should now be legal to carry drugs and weapons on you? Possibly they don't find as many guns now because people know that cops might just grab your gun. And maybe cops bring people in on drug possession because they are in a high crime area, that is an illegal activity still, and they want to make their presence known so that they can hopefully reduce crime in the future.

Do you propose we just let people walk around selling drugs and concealing weapons freely

Nope. What I am saying is drugs should be decriminalized and cops shouldn't be able to search anybody anytime they want (which is what stop is frisk was doing).

 

[DasGoatenshafter]

no what I mean is the incredibly high tax forces a black market...

Nope. What I am saying is drugs should be decriminalized and cops shouldn't be able to search anybody anytime they want (which is what stop is frisk was doing).

Well you shoulda said that in the first place! We all know prohibition lead to bootlegging, and no one likes a cops arm in their arse for no good reason.

Decriminalization won't lead to no charges though, I think you mean legalization. Legalization will lead to regulation and taxes on drugs though, so be careful what you wish for...

 

[louie.mirags]

Well you shoulda said that in the first place! We all know prohibition lead to bootlegging, and no one likes a cops arm in their arse for no good reason.

Decriminalization won't lead to no charges though, I think you mean legalization. Legalization will lead to regulation and taxes on drugs though, so be careful what you wish for...

legalization would be better, but at least decrim on small amounts. rehab for drug addicts would be ideal for those who seek it rather than prison.

 

[DasGoatenshafter]

legalization would be better, but at least decrim on small amounts. rehab for drug addicts would be ideal for those who seek it rather than prison.

Look up taxes in nordic countries and Amsterdam and compare them to the US. That is how they keep rehab facilities available to people who need them, and how they have prisons that are basically rehab.

I fully agree that throwing people in jail where they learn nothing is a waste of time, and I don't think that petty crimes should clog up our legal system. Unfortunately that all comes with an unpopular fee. Anyway, not all cops are bad, 90% of people are doing the best that they can under their own circumstances but you've gotta play by the rules or else there's no point in having them, and you need to exercise your democratic right to initiate social change rather than fighting the po po.

 

[louie.mirags]

Look up taxes in nordic countries and Amsterdam and compare them to the US. That is how they keep rehab facilities available to people who need them, and how they have prisons that are basically rehab.

I fully agree that throwing people in jail where they learn nothing is a waste of time, and I don't think that petty crimes should clog up our legal system. Unfortunately that all comes with an unpopular fee. Anyway, not all cops are bad, 90% of people are doing the best that they can under their own circumstances but you've gotta play by the rules or else there's no point in having them, and you need to exercise your democratic right to initiate social change rather than fighting the po po.

I agree.. I never said I agree with back talking a cop though. I keep stressing the rules need to be changed so no need to back talk a cop.

 

[MLJ]

A luxury? Not a staple? What are you even talking about?? What somebody wants to do with their body is none of your business. That is my point. People should be able to do what they want with their life as long as it doesn't impede on anybody else's rights. The government has every right to tax it's people whatever they want? As if the government is not for the people and ran by normal people... Remember the tea party much? People are going to get around that absurd tax as much as possible.

Think of it this way: When people smoke, they have a MUCH higher risk of getting a bunch of respiratory system diseases (Ie cancer, tuberculosis etc). They then go to hospital and get treated by the doctors, who are payed taxpayers money. Why then should I pay for some dumb fuck to go kill himself, and then go get repaired for my money? If he wants to do dumb shit, he can go right on ahead just don't fucking complain when you have to pay for it yourself.

 

[AT-AT]

Think of it this way: When people smoke, they have a MUCH higher risk of getting a bunch of respiratory system diseases (Ie cancer, tuberculosis etc). They then go to hospital and get treated by the doctors, who are payed taxpayers money. Why then should I pay for some dumb fuck to go kill himself, and then go get repaired for my money? If he wants to do dumb shit, he can go right on ahead just don't fucking complain when you have to pay for it yourself.

Live and let live man. You live for you. He live for he. She live for she, and I will live for me.

 

[Bombogenesis]

It's weird that when you make a statement that even slightly broadbrushes a race you are lambasted but when cops are all categorized and demonized together it's ok. No difference IMO.

 

[deleted5]

If cops are so brutal, how about you do their job then? Let's give you a gun, a badge, and a uniform and send you in to some of these neighbourhoods. Cops risk their lives on a daily basis, and the fact that you can't respect that is beyond me. They're people, no one is perfect, probably not even you.

It's real easy to look at them from the sidelines and point fingers about every mistake they make, but how about you put your money where your mouth is and become a cop then? Maybe you'll be able to affect real change then instead of just talking about it

civil forfeiture.......

 

[Turd.Ferguson]

And then that dumb blond on FOX

which one theres like three

 

[louie.mirags]

If he wants to do dumb shit, he can go right on ahead just don't fucking complain when you have to pay for it yourself.

I don't want to get into the whole medicare conversation, but with that reasoning they might as well heavily tax sugar and sitting on the couch.

How medicare should be handled is a whole other discussion

 

[Mr.Luke]

At least where i live (Connecticut) the gun laws for police officers and civilians state that you are only able to use deadly force once you identify you have a firearm and if you feel that your life is in danger. The shot onto the individual was legitimate and perfectly legal. Knives, in the hands of most, can be an extremely dangerous and very lethal weapon. It was better to protect the lives of the officers by firing their weapons (once) to control and disarm the individual with an appropriate use of lethal force.

Don't fuck with knives. They are extremely dangerous and you can absolutely get shot for welding one with lethal intent upon an individual.

 

[Zimmerman]

I miss punk ns

 

[louie.mirags]

I miss punk ns

agreed.. I have been saying something similar for the last few months. When I first joined 10 years ago (different name) I used to get flamed for being closed minded and having old school opinions based on my Catholic parents. Fast forward 10 years and NS comment sound like my dad's comments watching the evening news..

wtf happen?

 

[SpookyCat]

agreed.. I have been saying something similar for the last few months. When I first joined 10 years ago (different name) I used to get flamed for being closed minded and having old school opinions based on my Catholic parents. Fast forward 10 years and NS comment sound like my dad's comments watching the evening news..

wtf happen?

What do you think? Overzealous mods who think they need to bend to the will of every pathetic child that complains on the site. They care more about the advertisement dollars than keeping the site as it was.

 

[louie.mirags]

What do you think? Overzealous mods who think they need to bend to the will of every pathetic child that complains on the site. They care more about the advertisement dollars than keeping the site as it was.

No you misunderstood what I said or I didn't explain properly. I mean the overall opinions of NS on current affairs sound like my 54 year old Father's conservative opinions

 

[AT-AT]

No you misunderstood what I said or I didn't explain properly. I mean the overall opinions of NS on current affairs sound like my 54 year old Father's conservative opinions

It's cyclic.

 

[Turd.Ferguson]

No you misunderstood what I said or I didn't explain properly. I mean the overall opinions of NS on current affairs sound like my 54 year old Father's conservative opinions

because we're practical

 

[SpookyCat]

No you misunderstood what I said or I didn't explain properly. I mean the overall opinions of NS on current affairs sound like my 54 year old Father's conservative opinions

Exactly. They're all behaving because they're scared of the mods. And anyone who isn't behaving has their comments deleted or are banned. Its amazing what something simple like an imaginary peer-rating system can do to "train" the weak-minded.

 

[Zimmerman]

nah I don't see anyone getting banned due to their shitty views and I don't think everyone in these threads are sucking the man's dick out of fear..of mods anyway. I've seen a recent increase in coplovers, and not just on this site.

 

[SpookyCat]

nah I don't see anyone getting banned due to their shitty views and I don't think everyone in these threads are sucking the man's dick out of fear..of mods anyway. I've seen a recent increase in coplovers, and not just on this site.

Your not a mod... no shit you can't see people getting banned, who was banned and for what reason. Unless you want to try to log in with everyone's account everyday. And its not for just stating a viewpoint, its people getting banned for talking shit on other members who have shitty points to make. People are scared to have polarizing/different views. Its all being turned into one bucket of self-loving shit.

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

because we're practical

Practical people in an unpractical world.