NYE attacks in Cologne, Germany

13600297:californiagrown said:
Yet you still are anti-immigration? If folks are from a certain part of the world where bad things are happening, they arent allowed in, right? Whatever happened to judging a man on the content of his character isntead of the color of his skin... or in this case, his birthplace?

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That is what Im judging them on the content of their character.

Look the Middle East is moving backwards and getting more nad more radicalized. THus people who grew up in that culture and were a part of that culture do not mesh with Western values and are likely to be problematic immigrants. They are not rejecting the culture they came from but rather trying to recreate it in the West.

Muslim idealogy is all about spreading islam and treating those who are not followers as worthless.

These aren't political refugees who happen to be on the wrong side of the fence of whomever is in power.

The British guy in this thread said there are plenty of peaceful muslims in ENgland who have been there for generations. True. They are not the problem its the radical newcomers who are immigrating in droves and grew up as part of the violent oppressive culture that are the problem.

There is one nice easy problem....KEEP THEM THE FUCK OUT. Just don't allow any muslims in for the next 20 years or so until shit calms down in the middle east and they begin to progress as a society and then maybe you can consider allowing them to emigrate to here.

The Saudis and Iranians don't even want these fucks why should we take them!!!!!!!
 
13600333:PeppermillReno said:
That is what Im judging them on the content of their character.

Look the Middle East is moving backwards and getting more nad more radicalized. THus people who grew up in that culture and were a part of that culture do not mesh with Western values and are likely to be problematic immigrants. They are not rejecting the culture they came from but rather trying to recreate it in the West.

Muslim idealogy is all about spreading islam and treating those who are not followers as worthless.

These aren't political refugees who happen to be on the wrong side of the fence of whomever is in power.

The British guy in this thread said there are plenty of peaceful muslims in ENgland who have been there for generations. True. They are not the problem its the radical newcomers who are immigrating in droves and grew up as part of the violent oppressive culture that are the problem.

There is one nice easy problem....KEEP THEM THE FUCK OUT. Just don't allow any muslims in for the next 20 years or so until shit calms down in the middle east and they begin to progress as a society and then maybe you can consider allowing them to emigrate to here.

The Saudis and Iranians don't even want these fucks why should we take them!!!!!!!
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Black culture is all about gangs, drugs and hitting women. We should judge all black people accordingly, right? Just so we keep the logic consistent, right?
 
13600335:californiagrown said:
Black culture is all about gangs, drugs and hitting women. We should judge all black people accordingly, right? Just so we keep the logic consistent, right?
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The middle east has laws that prevent women from going out in public without their heads covered. You think that is acceptable? Or that is just an opinion of mine and a generalization?

Way to move the goal posts and insult black people though you fucking racist.
 
13600338:PeppermillReno said:
The middle east has laws that prevent women from going out in public without their heads covered. You think that is acceptable? Or that is just an opinion of mine and a generalization?

Way to move the goal posts and insult black people though you fucking racist.
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Wait, so you are generalizing the whole middleast based upon a select few country's laws... but are accusing me of generalizing? Got it.

Do you think black urban culture is a good thing? the drugs, violence, single parent household, pverty, etc? all are bad things, right? should we kick them out of our society? or should we let them all stay but only because they are here already?

I mean, we should be judging everybody on the worst parts of the culture they were born into, right?

It all works the same way chief. Dont judge the individual based upon your perception of the ethnic group, and/or religous group.
 
13600352:californiagrown said:
Wait, so you are generalizing the whole middleast based upon a select few country's laws... but are accusing me of generalizing? Got it.

Do you think black urban culture is a good thing? the drugs, violence, single parent household, pverty, etc? all are bad things, right? should we kick them out of our society? or should we let them all stay but only because they are here already?

I mean, we should be judging everybody on the worst parts of the culture they were born into, right?

It all works the same way chief. Dont judge the individual based upon your perception of the ethnic group, and/or religous group.
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Well lets slow down I think everybody from that area who wants to move to the United States should be forced to disvow that culture and basically prove that they don't support radical Islam in any way shape or form.

I don't think every black person has to condemn gang life or welfare or single parent households any of the other sterotypical problems that plague black society in order to be able to live in our society though just don't partake/get arrested and you are good.

But again I do not think a muslim person from the middle east has a right to live in the Snited States and should be allowed in unless they can demonstrate that they are pro-Western and anti muslim radicalism. If you are not prepared to completely leave those values and that way of life in the middle east don't bother coming and stay there. Not to visit (God Bless Trump) and not to live. (IE for example if you are a female and plan on wearing a burkha in public I don't want you here I support womens rights and you clearly don't so stay the fuck over there if you want to walk around in a hood.)
 
Officials say only 18 of the 1000 strong men were asylum seekers. 18 fucking men. You say we need to ban all muslims even though only 18 out of the 1000 men were asylum seekers. What's next you want to ban fucking muslims having kids? But let's not forget german muslims have also condemned the attacks. I propose we ban all germans from entering the united states!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/07/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sexual-assaults.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/world/europe/cologne-new-years-eve-attacks.html
 
13600363:PeppermillReno said:
(IE for example if you are a female and plan on wearing a burkha in public I don't want you here I support womens rights and you clearly don't so stay the fuck over there if you want to walk around in a hood.)
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Lol, you support womens rights. Except when they they freely choose to follow a religous dress code that doesnt affect you one tiny bit.

FYI, covering your head is a tradition common amongst all the abrahamic religons you nutjob. What do you think a Yarmulke (you know it as a yamaka) is? We should also ban jewish men from wearing them?

Youre a racist joke of a person. I had no idea how many closet racists, bigots, and xenophobs were out there till trump brought you all out of the closet.

the first part of your response makes total sense... and FYI but that is what the current screening proccess attempts to do.
 
13600393:S.J.W said:
Officials say only 18 of the 1000 strong men were asylum seekers. 18 fucking men. You say we need to ban all muslims even though only 18 out of the 1000 men were asylum seekers. What's next you want to ban fucking muslims having kids? But let's not forget german muslims have also condemned the attacks. I propose we ban all germans from entering the united states!!!!
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Ah no, 18 of the 31 suspects the police detained who were a part of that 1000 men group were asylum seekers.

So 58% of the people they actually arrested.
http://www.welt.de/newsticker/news1...oelner-Uebergriffen-weitere-Verdaechtige.html
 
13600414:californiagrown said:
Lol, you support womens rights. Except when they they freely choose to follow a religous dress code that doesnt affect you one tiny bit.

FYI, covering your head is a tradition common amongst all the abrahamic religons you nutjob. What do you think a Yarmulke (you know it as a yamaka) is? We should also ban jewish men from wearing them?

Youre a racist joke of a person. I had no idea how many closet racists, bigots, and xenophobs were out there till trump brought you all out of the closet.

the first part of your response makes total sense... and FYI but that is what the current screening proccess attempts to do.
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Just slow down man.

If we just grow up and acknowledge the problem we can remain PC and nice to everyone and there won't be problems in the USA like there are in Europe. Muslims actually aren't that problematic of a population in the USA because there aren't too many of them. Europe its a different story. Sooner we accept this and cut off more coming in the better we will be and teh sooner we can go back to being fully PC and treating everyone the same and not doing any profile or being prejudice at all.

But right now political correctness is a global menace because it is encouraging a muslim invasion of Europe and undermining Western culture and womens rights.

Google the Cologne attacks and see if you will get any results from any media source that is out and out left wing. Google doesn't even bring up right wing news sources in their searches. Zuckerberg and the rest of the PC liberal media is trying to implement laws that make criticizing muslims hate speech in Europe. Shit is scary.

Im willing to meet you more than half way and admit that my views one year ago would be extreme and bigoted. But right now they are acurate and acceptable because the problem is so real.
 
13600495:PeppermillReno said:
Just slow down man.

If we just grow up and acknowledge the problem we can remain PC and nice to everyone and there won't be problems in the USA like there are in Europe. Muslims actually aren't that problematic of a population in the USA because there aren't too many of them. Europe its a different story. Sooner we accept this and cut off more coming in the better we will be and teh sooner we can go back to being fully PC and treating everyone the same and not doing any profile or being prejudice at all.

But right now political correctness is a global menace because it is encouraging a muslim invasion of Europe and undermining Western culture and womens rights.

Google the Cologne attacks and see if you will get any results from any media source that is out and out left wing. Google doesn't even bring up right wing news sources in their searches. Zuckerberg and the rest of the PC liberal media is trying to implement laws that make criticizing muslims hate speech in Europe. Shit is scary.

Im willing to meet you more than half way and admit that my views one year ago would be extreme and bigoted. But right now they are acurate and acceptable because the problem is so real.
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I dont have the time, nor the inclination to do so over an internet ski forum, to describe how disgusted i am at the bigoted, xenophobic, unchristian values you apparently embody. I have pointed out time and time again how I could apply your logic to other minority groups with similar problems, and you have agreed that was racist/bigoted etc. But you apparently have an extremely uneducated, misinformed and frankly evil view of the topic we are discussing.

Must be nice being born and raised in america and only having rich white kid issues your whole life, huh?
 
13600530:californiagrown said:
I dont have the time, nor the inclination to do so over an internet ski forum, to describe how disgusted i am at the bigoted, xenophobic, unchristian values you apparently embody. I have pointed out time and time again how I could apply your logic to other minority groups with similar problems, and you have agreed that was racist/bigoted etc. But you apparently have an extremely uneducated, misinformed and frankly evil view of the topic we are discussing.

Must be nice being born and raised in america and only having rich white kid issues your whole life, huh?
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Your white guilt is very much apparent here. Bet you think you owe a black guy a blowjob as an apology for slavery in the 1800s eh?

Let me simplify this for you society telling us we are all equal is bullshit. People do deserve similar rights and protections but culturally we are not all created equal. Anyone who supports radical islam and that kind of terrorism is not equal to me they are equal to rapists and murderers in jail.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/us/terror-charges-refugees/

That guy, his wife defending him, all their friends and relatives are beneath me and all law abiding citizens of the United States for example even if all those people aren't going to perform a terrorist attack they are still scum for defending him.

Again though this is contradictory logic to what the media and society forces upon and expects from us and if you want to call things as they are you will cross the PC border into prejudice/bigotry inevitably if you are not burying your head in the sand and claiming attacks like those in Cologne aren't the effect of an inferior awful culture and people who are trash because of their religion/race/place of origin ie young middle east raised muslim men with no respect for women or Western values.

But as you say there isn't really time in the day for us to discuss and hash this out. Furthermore your devotion to political correctness is probably very important to you and a large part of your social conscience and not something a guy on a skiing website will talk you down from or convince you that you are an idiot because of. Just let the attacks keep happening and bury your head in the sand and say its not the fault of all muslims because they aren't pulling the trigger they just enable it by not speaking out against their own and siding with Westerners and embracing their values.

So we can agree to disagree.
 
And just so you don't think you are in the right (because you know deep down you are not) have you even had sex with a black girl in the last month/year?

I had sex with a hot black chick and ate her pussy last week and will be tapping it again either Tues or Weds whichever she choses I don't discriminate when it comes to hot women if you haven't you should apologize to me and admit you are in the wrong.
 
13600311:mishracer said:
You say "Fuck those people and their backwards society" whilst in the sentence before saying "they should all be killed" do you not think that that is rather contradictory?We should not lower ourselves to their level whilst fighting them over some of their backwards attitudes, beliefs and actions.
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Great so of that's not what we do then give me a solution instead of trying to mock me.
 
I mean why would anyone not want a wall on the Mexican border?

Its a great idea.

And tell me whats wrong with not letting more muslims in without using some politically correct bullshit jargon we have enough people in this country????

Those should be universal wishes for American people similar to how we should all want universal healthcare (but don't noone wants it look at how everyone slammed obamacare this country for whatever fucked up reason doesn't want universal healthcare no point in voting for someone who is for it even if you want it the populace is against it.)
 
13599530:fab02 said:
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Wow haven't seen any German commenting this thread...means I am the first one. I see only people from America

Can't believe how much bullshit I read in here about that topic. Half is like i said bullshit other half is offtopic.. None post didnt actually faced and explained the problems we have here in Germany. It is really hard to explain to non Germans/ Europeans and especially to the rest of the world. So I dont wanna get into it here on NS :)
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Well, I am not a German native but I live in Austria so I do feel like I am well prepared to discuss this on a personal level with you. Everything I said in my previous posts was true.

What some people in this thread cannot do is separate the Islamic ideology from the Muslim people. Islam (in its literal entirety) is a not peaceful system founded on human equality, justice as fairness, tolerance, or personal freedom. This does not mean that all Muslims follow it literally and want everyone to convert or die, but rather (like most Christians), pick and choose what parts make sense to them. Many, therefore (and luckily), have a loose reading of the Qur'an and Hadith.

A good friend of mine (and her family) have taken in a family (6 people) of Syrian refugees. These are moderate, cultural Muslims who are kind, thankful, and greatly appreciative of the new life they have here in Austria. They are eager to learn the German language (they currently speak Arabic & English) and want to give back to the society that has saved them from an existence of death, destruction, and pure chaos. Are all Syrian refugees exactly the same as this family? No of course not, only an idiot would assume that an ENTIRE group of people are all going to be a certain way. Are there many who are going to be problematic and cause trouble? Yes. (also know that many of the "new citizens" in Europe are not just Syrian, but coming from many parts of Eastern Europe and the Middle East).

There are lots of issues with how many European countries are handling the refugee/immigration crisis. The simple problem of fact is how can Germany absorb 1.6 million people in the span of 2 years? Regardless of who these people are, that will be a problem. That problem is only made more difficult when the vast majority have a different language/culture/religion/value set and no jobs.
 
13600822:nocturnal said:
Great so of that's not what we do then give me a solution instead of trying to mock me.
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Trial and imprisonment over just putting them to death may be a good place to start.
 
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13600915:onenerdykid said:
What some people in this thread cannot do is separate the Islamic ideology from the Muslim people. Islam (in its literal entirety) is a not peaceful system founded on human equality, justice as fairness, tolerance, or personal freedom.

No of course not, only an idiot would assume that an ENTIRE group of people are all going to be a certain way. Are there many who are going to be problematic and cause trouble? Yes. .
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If thats the case then it makes no sense to needlessly hold onto a hateful religion. Why pick and choose?!? If the religion is inherently bad, then get rid of it. Why even define yourself by it. It makes no sense to defend something just because they were born into it. If I were Refugee I would abandon whatever religion and nation that was responsible for putting me there.

Its like a jew praising the Third Reich.

Its like putting a dress on a wolf and calling it cute.

and just because a few wolves have been tamed doesnt mean its safe to sleep with wolves.

I truly fear the form of lying that the Islamic religion supports.

The leaders of the majority of major Islamic countries are not our allies. We may work with some and they are rational because of their own well being, but if there was a door to open that would lead to fall of the United States, the majority of Muslims would rush through it.
 
13600985:PCPRINCIPAL said:
If thats the case then it makes no sense to needlessly hold onto a hateful religion. Why pick and choose?!? If the religion is inherently bad, then get rid of it. Why even define yourself by it. It makes no sense to defend something just because they were born into it. If I were Refugee I would abandon whatever religion and nation that was responsible for putting me there.

Its like a jew praising the Third Reich.

Its like putting a dress on a wolf and calling it cute.

and just because a few wolves have been tamed doesnt mean its safe to sleep with wolves.

I truly fear the form of lying that the Islamic religion supports.
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If you pick up the Old Testament, you find commandments and praise for the following: genocide, homicide, infanticide, honor killings, stoning, death for non believers, support for slavery, etc. In many ways, the Old Testament is more barbaric than the Qur'an. Yet Jews and Christians can live with it (read: ignore it) and be peaceful Jews and Christians. Just because verses in Deuteronomy or Leviticus or Joshua etc. call for the death of non-virgins on their wedding night and killing entire villages of people (including women and children), it doesn't mean that Jews and Christians all of a sudden renounce their entire faith. They pick out the good parts and live without following the bad - this is the way of religious moderation. Muslims can and do behave the same way. Many aren't prepared to throw out the entire Qur'an because certain parts command them to kill non-believers, kill apostates, encourage jihad & martyrdom etc. They live around it or ignore it, just like Jews and Christians do.
 
13601004:onenerdykid said:
If you pick up the Old Testament, you find commandments and praise for the following: genocide, homicide, infanticide, honor killings, stoning, death for non believers, support for slavery, etc. In many ways, the Old Testament is more barbaric than the Qur'an. Yet Jews and Christians can live with it (read: ignore it) and be peaceful Jews and Christians. Just because verses in Deuteronomy or Leviticus or Joshua etc. call for the death of non-virgins on their wedding night and killing entire villages of people (including women and children), it doesn't mean that Jews and Christians all of a sudden renounce their entire faith. They pick out the good parts and live without following the bad - this is the way of religious moderation. Muslims can and do behave the same way. Many aren't prepared to throw out the entire Qur'an because certain parts command them to kill non-believers, kill apostates, encourage jihad & martyrdom etc. They live around it or ignore it, just like Jews and Christians do.
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The huge difference is that Jewish and Christian leaders have actually spoken out against those parts. We cant say the same for Islamic leaders.

The point is that the reasonable and rational Muslims are a huge minority. The other thing to take into account is that it is not just religion. We are and industrialized, first world country and they are not.

They have been exploited and we are the exploiters.

The large majority of Muslims, even some who do not believe in Sharia Law, would revel in the idea of Western Society Collapsing.
 
13601011:PCPRINCIPAL said:
The huge difference is that Jewish and Christian leaders have actually spoken out against those parts. We cant say the same for Islamic leaders.

The point is that the reasonable and rational Muslims are a huge minority. The other thing to take into account is that it is not just religion. We are and industrialized, first world country and they are not.

They have been exploited and we are the exploiters.

The large majority of Muslims, even some who do not believe in Sharia Law, would revel in the idea of Western Society Collapsing.
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I was primarily answering your question referring to why individual people don't reject their religion, which you argued they should given the atrocities and horrible teachings promoted in their religious texts. While I am very sympathetic to that view, I was merely showing that it is very possible to be a Muslim and not think that jihad and martyrdom are the only ways to paradise.
 
13601026:onenerdykid said:
I was primarily answering your question referring to why individual people don't reject their religion, which you argued they should given the atrocities and horrible teachings promoted in their religious texts. While I am very sympathetic to that view, I was merely showing that it is very possible to be a Muslim and not think that jihad and martyrdom are the only ways to paradise.
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no shit.

Sunni Muslims include 84%–90% of all Muslims. Sunni means "tradition," and Sunnis regard themselves as those who emphasize following the traditions of Muhammad and of the first two generations of the community of Muslims that followed Muhammad.

A number of movements to reform Islam have originated mainly in the 20th century. Some are limited to one country and others have a broader influence. Most are Sunni movements, such as the Wahhabis, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Jama'at-i-Islami.

Shi'ite Muslims comprise 10%–16% of all Muslims. Shi'ites are the "party of 'Ali," who believe that Muhammad's son-in-law 'Ali was his designated successor (imam) and that the Muslim community should be headed by a designated descendent of Muhammad. Three main subgroups of Shi'ites are Twelvers (Ithna-'Asharis), Seveners (Isma'ilis), and Fivers (Zaydis).

Sufis are Islamic mystics. Sufis go beyond external requirements of the religion to seek a personal experience of God through forms of meditation and spiritual growth. A number of Sufi orders, comparable to Christian monastic orders, exist. Most Sufis are also Sunni Muslims, although some are Shi'ite Muslims. Many conservative Sunni Muslims regard Sufism as a corruption of Islam, although most still regard Sufis as Muslims.

Baha'is and Ahmadiyyas are 19th-century offshoots of Shi'ite and Sunni Islam, respectively. Bahai's consider themselves the newest of the major world's religions but recognize that historically they originated from Shi'ite Islam in the same way that Christianity originated from Judaism. Ahmadiyyas do regard themselves as Muslims. Most other Muslims, however, deny that either group is a legitimate form of Islam and regard members of both groups as heretics — people who have corrupted and abandoned Islamic belief and practice.

Druze, Alevis, and 'Alawis are small, sectarian groups with unorthodox beliefs and practices that split off from Islam. Druze and Alevis do not regard themselves as Muslims and are not considered Muslims by other Muslims. 'Alawis have various non-Islamic practices, but debate continues as to whether they should still be considered Muslims

do you think muslims know the difference between methodist and a baptist? I know I dont.
 
13600930:mishracer said:
Trial and imprisonment over just putting them to death may be a good place to start.
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Yeah man lining people up and then shooting in the head one by one would just be a horrible thing to do and probably be even worse if you filmed it and put it on the internet......
 
this blows my mind. when i was in cologne last summer it was a wonderful place. i wondered around the city at all hours of the night with no issues what so ever.

it is quite the melting pot for vacationers from around the world. it would be difficult to say where the people involved were actually from, with the exception of those arrested.
 
13599530:fab02 said:
First:

Wow haven't seen any German commenting this thread...means I am the first one. I see only people from America

Can't believe how much bullshit I read in here about that topic. Half is like i said bullshit other half is offtopic.. None post didnt actually faced and explained the problems we have here in Germany. It is really hard to explain to non Germans/ Europeans and especially to the rest of the world. So I dont wanna get into it here on NS :)

If you wanna get a good overview about Cologno, read newspaper.:
http://www.faz.net/
http://www.zeit.de/index
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/

These are imo the best to get a decent overview. Pretty recommended to Austrians or Switzerlandixx, who may want better informations of the current situation in Cologne. For non German speakers I can only say, just wait until everything is clear.

Second:

Why do North Americans, (YES Canada AND USA) judge our refugee policy? These two countries, who pick "their" immigrants/refugees out of milions who suffer from war, diseases or dictatorships. Who dont give ANY fucks about equal rights for every human. Better educated refugees were given the chance to stay in Canada/America. The "normal" ones should get slaghtered in Syria by brutal fucktards , because of their lower education (?). , Obv. NO! So they try to get to Europe instead. Here everybody has the same chance for a permanent stay. Doesnt matter if PhD in Stompenonics or server in an old tea house in Damaskus.

My home village (~3500 inhabitants) go now 500 refugees from whole fking Africa as well as Syria. Get into contact with those people, before generalizing and posting garbage in the internet.

Third:

The fear of immigrants in (US) America is terrifiying. Went one time to Oklahoma, never again. Lucky just a drive though. The more I came to countryside, the more terrified, racist and nationalistic rednecky fucktards I met. Those who were immigrants themselfes 1-300 years ago, the ones who got the opportunity to re-start their whole life. Why shouldn't Syrians, Eritreans or Iraqis have this chance too? I dont even want an answer, because there is no logical non racist one!

America, land of the "free". Haha bullshit, land of sadly too many conservative racists. Hope that the whole Donald Trump thing is a joke.

Luckily tons of openminded ppl at both coasts and especially here on Newschoolers, thanks guys!

Keep in mind: Never generalize and try to get a solid overview by reading local newspaper and stuff or asking local friends etc.

P.S.: Sorry for this essay. Wasn't meant to be that long. Ohh...and this is just my opinion, always open for a fair discussion :)
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To begin, I would like to thank you for posting this, now I understand how deep the problem really goes. If the majority of Germans in their 20s think as you do, then your country and culture are already dead.

Everything is crystal clear at this point regarding the incidents (in the hundreds) of sexual assault and rape, not only in Cologne, but throughout Germany. You're attempt to deflect here, until all is forgotten and wiped under the rug, is reprehensible.

Also, your pontificating is not welcome. Frankly, I won't be lectured by any German about the moral superiority of Germans over Americans (or Canadians). My grandfather and great-grandfather fought in wars to save Europe and the United States from Germany.

The U.S. and Canada choose refugees because that is basic common sense. You clearly have no understanding that the purpose of government is to serve and protect the interests of its citizens, and not foreigners.

But of course you turned the subject of how fucked your country is into an attack on the United States, you've clearly been conditioned well. Your insult of the United States is pathetic, since while imperfect, the U.S. citizens still experience more freedom than you ever will. Between political correctness, media censorship, and Islam, how do you even have room to breathe?

Also, guess which major city my girlfriend and I were able to enjoy on NYE without worrying about 1000s of Muslims carrying out organized sexual assaults? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Cologne.

To bring your point to it's logical conclusion, "Why shouldn't Syrians, Eritreans or Iraqis have this chance too?", why not then send over German military planes to airlift the entire populations of those countries into Germany? Wouldn't it be racist not to offer them the same chance to live in Germany as you have? I'm actually offended that your town hasn't taken more of them!

You're an example of how Germany has traded the Hitler Youth for the Merkel Youth. Now instead of going to war against other nations, you are at war with your own nation. Merkel is a criminal, and is personally responsible for all the suffering that will become the new normal in Germany for all of the foreseeable future.

The war cry of the Merkel Youth? Deutschland Unter Alles!

Even our left-wing press, like the New York Times, are coming to the realization of how screwed you and your country are, perhaps it's time you yourselves woke up:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/opinion/sunday/germany-on-the-brink.html?_r=0

Pretty soon, half of the 20-30 year old men in Germany will be Muslim men (according to the article you're already well above 10%). But I'm sure you'll have no problem offering up your sister or girlfriend as a sacrifice to your new "guests", in the name of your ideology of deluded moral superiority and multiculturalism.

We have a saying called, "whistling past the graveyard". You may want to look it up.
 
13600297:californiagrown said:
Problem is, you started out broadly talking about islam. Islamaphobia is whack. A muslim woman was escorted out of a Trump rally for wearing a hajib, and wearing a shirt saying "i come in peace". she was harassed for simply standing there silently. Trump was cool with it. whatever happened to the republican party?
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You know what is even more "whack"? Using a false, misleading term like "Islamophobia" that was coined by a terrorist organization (CAIR).

Also, she was escorted out for, in all likelihood, being a CAIR plant. Or did you miss how CAIR had a press release ready immediately after?

She was essentially calling everyone there a Nazi with her attire, and as such her being escorted out was perfectly justified.

There is evidence that over 70% of the mosques in the U.S. receive funding from global terrorist organizations, like the Muslim Brotherhood, and/or from Saudi Wahhabists. The mosques of the Boston bombers and the San Bernardino terrorists are both linked directly to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. Consider looking into the Islamic Society of Boston and its "cultural centers".

Perhaps you should learn more about Islam and Sharia, as well as the jihadist organizations already operating in the US, before rushing to defend it using terms that the jihadists themselves created.

Try to look over the fact that this was on Fox News, and take the information on its merit:

 
13600915:onenerdykid said:
Well, I am not a German native but I live in Austria so I do feel like I am well prepared to discuss this on a personal level with you. Everything I said in my previous posts was true.

What some people in this thread cannot do is separate the Islamic ideology from the Muslim people. Islam (in its literal entirety) is a not peaceful system founded on human equality, justice as fairness, tolerance, or personal freedom. This does not mean that all Muslims follow it literally and want everyone to convert or die, but rather (like most Christians), pick and choose what parts make sense to them. Many, therefore (and luckily), have a loose reading of the Qur'an and Hadith.
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To be fair, and you're intelligent so I'm sure you realize this, is that Muslims themselves, more often than not, cannot separate themselves from Islamic ideology. That's the core of the problem.

Most people know that, as your anecdote displays and as Churchill so eloquently put it,

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities..."

But...

"...the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science—the science against which it had vainly struggled—the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

It's difficult to disagree with Churchill's analysis.
 
13601541:Campeador said:
You know what is even more "whack"? Using a false, misleading term like "Islamophobia" that was coined by a terrorist organization (CAIR).

Also, she was escorted out for, in all likelihood, being a CAIR plant. Or did you miss how CAIR had a press release ready immediately after?

She was essentially calling everyone there a Nazi with her attire, and as such her being escorted out was perfectly justified.

There is evidence that over 70% of the mosques in the U.S. receive funding from global terrorist organizations, like the Muslim Brotherhood, and/or from Saudi Wahhabists. The mosques of the Boston bombers and the San Bernardino terrorists are both linked directly to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. Consider looking into the Islamic Society of Boston and its "cultural centers".

Perhaps you should learn more about Islam and Sharia, as well as the jihadist organizations already operating in the US, before rushing to defend it using terms that the jihadists themselves created.

Try to look over the fact that this was on Fox News, and take the information on its merit:

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I guess I'm not following how someone wearing a shirt that says "I come in peace" is akin to calling people nazis. Please explain.

She probably was a CAIR plant. Guess what? The bigoted Trump campaign and supporters fell for it hook, line, and sinker. If she had been black and been harassed and then booted for being so, would you not call those people bigoted?

Guess not.
 
13601564:californiagrown said:
I guess I'm not following how someone wearing a shirt that says "I come in peace" is akin to calling people nazis. Please explain.

She probably was a CAIR plant. Guess what? The bigoted Trump campaign and supporters fell for it hook, line, and sinker. If she had been black and been harassed and then booted for being so, would you not call those people bigoted?

Guess not.
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She was making a political statement, taking Trump's words purposefully out of context, and wearing an 8 pointed Muslim star made to resemble the star worn by Jews in Nazi Germany, essentially calling the people at the rally Nazis. She's a protester, and I'm sure the irony of her act is lost on her (or it's not, and it's just her own form of Taqiyya), considering the threat Jews face from Sharia Muslims throughout the world.

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It's a tactic that's already been used by CAIR at other rallies, I wouldn't be surprised if CAIR itself were producing the stars. Like I've said before, CAIR is a terrorist organization.

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You've brought up some good points in this discussion, but lets cut it out with all the false analogies. A black BLM protester wearing a "white people are racist" shirt would have also been ejected. It's a private event, and the organizers of the event have the right to eject protesters.
 
13601588:Campeador said:
She was making a political statement, taking Trump's words purposefully out of context, and wearing an 8 pointed Muslim star made to resemble the star worn by Jews in Nazi Germany, essentially calling the people at the rally Nazis. She's a protester, and I'm sure the irony of her act is lost on her (or it's not, and it's just her own form of Taqiyya), considering the threat Jews face from Sharia Muslims throughout the world.

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It's a tactic that's already been used by CAIR at other rallies, I wouldn't be surprised if CAIR itself were producing the stars. Like I've said before, CAIR is a terrorist organization.

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You've brought up some good points in this discussion, but lets cut it out with all the false analogies. A black BLM protester wearing a "white people are racist" shirt would have also been ejected. It's a private event, and the organizers of the event have the right to eject protesters.
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Totally. "I come in peace" is the same as "white people are racist". Ya got me man.

The private event absolutely had the right to throw her out. They also had the right to hurl racial and religious epithets at her. Doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

How was she taking trumps words out of context?
 
Honestly, I see what Trump is trying to communicate through his campaign against Muslims. There is a certain degree of rightiousness to it, yet as all minds are born in prejudice, he has gone too far.

Yes, ISIS is a problem, but that is not the majority of Muslims out there.

This is the problem:

War is peace.

Freedom is slavery.

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

Please. Don't go backwards in time America. We are smarter than the British.
 
13601647:californiagrown said:
Totally. "I come in peace" is the same as "white people are racist". Ya got me man.

The private event absolutely had the right to throw her out. They also had the right to hurl racial and religious epithets at her. Doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

How was she taking trumps words out of context?
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Now you're just purposefully ignoring the evidence I clearly provided for you. She wasn't thrown out for her shirt, she was thrown out because of her Nazi insinuations that she displayed through the Muslim star she was wearing. She was referencing Trump's Muslim database comment, which clearly if taken within context, referred to new arrivals. Let's not pretend otherwise.

Do you think protesters should not be ejected from political rallies?

These events have to take a tough stance towards all protesters, otherwise you could easily have a Bernie in Seattle type of scenario. I'd hope that his security has gotten better since.

Also, what "racial" epithets exactly are you referring to? Last I checked Islam wasn't a race. To make this about race is dishonest, but I'm sure you already knew that. Not to use anecdotal evidence, but some of the people I know who hate Islam the most are from the Middle East. Are they "racists" or just "islamophobes"?
 
13601686:Campeador said:
Now you're just purposefully ignoring the evidence I clearly provided for you. She wasn't thrown out for her shirt, she was thrown out because of her Nazi insinuations that she displayed through the Muslim star she was wearing. She was referencing Trump's Muslim database comment, which clearly if taken within context, referred to new arrivals. Let's not pretend otherwise.

Do you think protesters should not be ejected from political rallies?

These events have to take a tough stance towards all protesters, otherwise you could easily have a Bernie in Seattle type of scenario. I'd hope that his security has gotten better since.

Also, what "racial" epithets exactly are you referring to? Last I checked Islam wasn't a race. To make this about race is dishonest, but I'm sure you already knew that. Not to use anecdotal evidence, but some of the people I know who hate Islam the most are from the Middle East. Are they "racists" or just "islamophobes"?
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Database of mosques and members. And yeah, when you pitch the idea of creating a database to track and account for a minority group, it certainly does bring about comparisons to the early days of the third Reich. Rightfully so.

" racial and religious epithets"- sand nigger, terrorist, haji etc. All disrespectful, hateful things to say to a person doing nothing to elicit hatred.

You have given no evidence of anything for me to ignore lol. Except anecdotal evidence akin to "I'm not a bigot, one of my good friends is muslim"!
 
13601737:californiagrown said:
Database of mosques and members. And yeah, when you pitch the idea of creating a database to track and account for a minority group, it certainly does bring about comparisons to the early days of the third Reich. Rightfully so.

" racial and religious epithets"- sand nigger, terrorist, haji etc. All disrespectful, hateful things to say to a person doing nothing to elicit hatred.

You have given no evidence of anything for me to ignore lol. Except anecdotal evidence akin to "I'm not a bigot, one of my good friends is muslim"!
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So what source do you have to back that up? Besides the woman herself, who could invent whatever she wants, a la Clock Boy.

I didn't say the people I know from the Middle East are muslims, they're not.

I showed you exactly why the woman was ejected, and that she's part of a string of similar protests. Also, surveillance of certain mosques, and a database that tracks recent arrivals that could harbor sympathies to Islamic Jihad makes sense. Neither of these things have anything to do with the 3rd Reich. I've shown you that over 80 mosques have direct connections to terrorist organizations. Furthermore, two "refugees" were arrested this week for being a part of ISIS and another Islamic terrorist organization.
 
13601761:Campeador said:
So what source do you have to back that up? Besides the woman herself, who could invent whatever she wants, a la Clock Boy.

I didn't say the people I know from the Middle East are muslims, they're not.

I showed you exactly why the woman was ejected, and that she's part of a string of similar protests. Also, surveillance of certain mosques, and a database that tracks recent arrivals that could harbor sympathies to Islamic Jihad makes sense. Neither of these things have anything to do with the 3rd Reich. I've shown you that over 80 mosques have direct connections to terrorist organizations. Furthermore, two "refugees" were arrested this week for being a part of ISIS and another Islamic terrorist organization.
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Trump refuses to rule out a registry database of all Muslims. Why is that?http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ld-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/

Furthermore, Isis members from any number of countries can easily enter the USA on vacation. Why would Syrian refugees be any different? Should we also ban anyone from entering who "looks the part"?
 
13601810:californiagrown said:
Furthermore, Isis members from any number of countries can easily enter the USA on vacation. Why would Syrian refugees be any different? Should we also ban anyone from entering who "looks the part"?
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You keep saying that but when was the last terrorist attack from Isis by people on vacation?
 
13601974:californiagrown said:
So it wasnt an ISIS attack. Thanks for playing. No soup for you. NEXT!!
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What point are you attempting to make? That the threat isn't significant because there hasn't been a plan origination from Raqqa?

Maybe the 130+ dead on the streets of Paris wasn't enough to convince you.
 
13601985:Campeador said:
What point are you attempting to make? That the threat isn't significant because there hasn't been a plan origination from Raqqa?

Maybe the 130+ dead on the streets of Paris wasn't enough to convince you.
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youre quite dense if you dont understand that i was responding to another poster.

What is the question you have for me?
 
13601989:californiagrown said:
youre quite dense if you dont understand that i was responding to another poster.

What is the question you have for me?
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Can't you read? I asked what point you were trying to make with that statement.
 
13601991:Campeador said:
Can't you read? I asked what point you were trying to make with that statement.
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you were interjecting into a conversation you obviously had no idea was happening.

The point i was making was in response to the other guys point that there had been no ISIS attacks by vacationers so why was i worried about it. My response was a rhetorically questioning why he was worried about ISIS attacks in the US seeing as there have been none.

Cant you read? guess not.
 
13601996:californiagrown said:
you were interjecting into a conversation you obviously had no idea was happening.

The point i was making was in response to the other guys point that there had been no ISIS attacks by vacationers so why was i worried about it. My response was a rhetorically questioning why he was worried about ISIS attacks in the US seeing as there have been none.

Cant you read? guess not.
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Point is we don't let them in and it doesn't happen, you keep saying they can easily come in on vacation. But that point is invalid and untrue if they could have just walked into this country they would have done it a long time ago. But they haven't therefore we shouldn't just let everyone in because.
 
13601999:nocturnal said:
Point is we don't let them in and it doesn't happen, you keep saying they can easily come in on vacation. But that point is invalid and untrue if they could have just walked into this country they would have done it a long time ago. But they haven't therefore we shouldn't just let everyone in because.
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So what we are doing is working? is that what you are saying? cause that sounds like what you are saying.
 
13601553:Campeador said:
To be fair, and you're intelligent so I'm sure you realize this, is that Muslims themselves, more often than not, cannot separate themselves from Islamic ideology. That's the core of the problem.
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There is no doubt in my mind that belief leads to action. If I was told today that I had 6 months left to live and believed it, that belief would lead me to act in certain ways. The problem is that simply being a Muslim does not definitively tell you what beliefs that Muslim holds. The degree to which a Muslims believes will be the degree to which they act on those beliefs. Is the Muslim a cultural Muslim (a non-believer but has been brought up in a "Muslim" way, similar to most Americans and their association with Christianity), a moderate/liberal Muslim, a conservative Muslim, an Islamist Muslim, or a jihadist Muslim? Each type of Muslim has a different set of beliefs and these different beliefs lead to different actions for each believer.

For example, the cultural Muslim might not drink alcohol and he certainly will not think the will of Allah to be absolute in all regards, does not want everyone to submit to the will of Allah, and does not support spreading the will of Allah through violence. Whereas the Islamist and jihadist both do not drink alcohol, both think the will of Allah is absolute in all regards, they want us all to submit to the will of Allah, and support those who spread His message through violence (with the jihadist being the one who actually spreads the message through violence).

Christianity has/did have these exact parallels, as (most) every religion does. The problem is that Christianity has been exposed to more secular taming than Islam has, but this exposure has, unfortunately, taken hundreds of years to get to where it is today. The reality is that we don't have another 500 years to wait for Islam to get its shit together. We need more moderate Muslims and these refugees that are fleeing the extreme Islamists and jihadists are one of the best chances we have right now at doing that. If our vetting process is the least bit successful, the 10,000 refugees that will come into the USA will most likely be moderate Muslims, not Islamists or jihadists. It is much better to encourage the spread of moderate Islam than it is to shun the entire Muslim population.

For sure safeguards need to be put in place and people need to be monitored in order to catch the small percentage of Islamists/jihadists that sneak through the vetting process. As you've shown, there are these safeguards in place and we are catching them.
 
13602030:onenerdykid said:
There is no doubt in my mind that belief leads to action. If I was told today that I had 6 months left to live and believed it, that belief would lead me to act in certain ways. The problem is that simply being a Muslim does not definitively tell you what beliefs that Muslim holds. The degree to which a Muslims believes will be the degree to which they act on those beliefs. Is the Muslim a cultural Muslim (a non-believer but has been brought up in a "Muslim" way, similar to most Americans and their association with Christianity), a moderate/liberal Muslim, a conservative Muslim, an Islamist Muslim, or a jihadist Muslim? Each type of Muslim has a different set of beliefs and these different beliefs lead to different actions for each believer.

For example, the cultural Muslim might not drink alcohol and he certainly will not think the will of Allah to be absolute in all regards, does not want everyone to submit to the will of Allah, and does not support spreading the will of Allah through violence. Whereas the Islamist and jihadist both do not drink alcohol, both think the will of Allah is absolute in all regards, they want us all to submit to the will of Allah, and support those who spread His message through violence (with the jihadist being the one who actually spreads the message through violence).

Christianity has/did have these exact parallels, as (most) every religion does. The problem is that Christianity has been exposed to more secular taming than Islam has, but this exposure has, unfortunately, taken hundreds of years to get to where it is today. The reality is that we don't have another 500 years to wait for Islam to get its shit together. We need more moderate Muslims and these refugees that are fleeing the extreme Islamists and jihadists are one of the best chances we have right now at doing that. If our vetting process is the least bit successful, the 10,000 refugees that will come into the USA will most likely be moderate Muslims, not Islamists or jihadists. It is much better to encourage the spread of moderate Islam than it is to shun the entire Muslim population.

For sure safeguards need to be put in place and people need to be monitored in order to catch the small percentage of Islamists/jihadists that sneak through the vetting process. As you've shown, there are these safeguards in place and we are catching them.
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I'm not sure you can say Christianity has the same parallels. The teachings of the men at the center of Christianity and Islam are miles apart, and that affects the character of the those who follow each religion. While Christians carrying out evil were contradicting their religion, Muslims are following a more "pure" form of it.

The actions of ISIS are all supported by the Koran and Hadith.

Also, I think your optimism about "moderate" Muslims way be unrealistic. Nothing so far has shown that moderate Muslims have been reliable allies against radical Islam and terrorism. Over 80 mosques in the United States openly preach jihad.

Also, I posted a graph from Pew Research that showed that 13% of Syrian "refugees" support ISIS. Out of the 1,000,000 that have entered Europe, that means 130,000 harbor sympathies to Islamic jihad and the Caliphate. That is not a "tiny minority", or a number worth ignoring. I can find the source for you if you like.

Not to mention the tens of thousands that carry out "Tahharush" organized gang rape and sexual assault of European women. They may not support ISIS directly, but they are criminals and terrorists all the same, and frankly they deserve to be thrown into the ocean, it's too bad they weren't allowed to sink in the Mediterranean in the first place.

As I've said before, there are only two types of Muslims, the ones who follow Sharia and those who reject it. Muslims that follow Sharia are potentially dangerous, and should be regarded with suspicion. Those who reject Sharia should be supported and defended. No one who follows Sharia should ever be considered moderate.
 
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