NYE attacks in Cologne, Germany

13614060:Campeador said:
Again, you failed to argue against the point with anything but opinion.

Even as per what ESB posted:

Claims that all assault rapes are committed by foreigners are thus supported by these figures.

So again, explain where I was wrong?

I have to admit, you're quick on the draw, do you work a desk job by chance?

Hmmm... you must have forgot to highlight the rest of ESB's post:

although the basis for the claims is small and the selection is special.Two of the five different identified perpetrators responsible for the assault rapes were very young – less than 18 – and two had serious psychiatric diagnoses. If you extend the material to cover the 16 assault rape cases in which the person is unidentified, but where a description has been provided by the victim,another picture emerges: 8 of the perpetrators were of African/dark-skinned appearance, 5 were western/fair-haired/Nordic and 4 looked Asian. It is not certain how many different people provided these descriptions of the perpetrators, as the perpetrators of assault rapes tend to commit several violations.

Surely you wouldn't intentionally pick apart quotes to support your argument, would you?
 
13614032:Campeador said:
So you've essentially giving, in a sense, more evidence for my claims, but from a different angle.

Among all rapes, among people who know each other and strangers, nearly half of the rapes that took place are from Muslim migrants that make up 1.8% of the population. This is from the total rape statistics, my claim of rape among strangers still stands. Obviously there are many cases of date rape and the like by Norwegian men.

That's quite an over representation wouldn't you say? 1.8% of the foreign Muslim population responsible for almost half of the rapes, and the native population of 98.2% responsible for the other half. Let that sink in, and tell me there isn't a direct link between migrants and sexual crimes.

If that were the case in the United States... let's just say thank God we have the 2nd Amendment. The lunatic leftists in Europe have disarmed the native population, leaving them effectively defenseless (except in Switzerland).

Apologies to keep on chipping away at your claims, but I'll remind you:

1) These stats refer to immigrants of African, Middle Eastern or Asian descent—NOT Muslims. You're jumping to conclusions that aren't predicated on facts.

2) These stats refer to Oslo, not Norway as a whole. I'm not sure where you're got your 1.8% figure, but when I checked Wikipedia (I know, I know), Oslo's population is reported to be 30.4% immigrants or children of immigrants.

Yes, immigrants continue to be over-represented in these sexual crime stats, but they are not as over-represented as you would like to make them appear.
 
Also, Campeador, I don't know what you are referring to when you keep referencing "rape among strangers"? I thought that the topic at hand was "assault rape", i.e. rape aggravated by physical violence.
 
13614059:ESB said:
Second: I explicitly acknowledged that there is a link between migrants and sexual crimes,

I'll give you some leeway, since you seem to be contradicting yourself with your latest statement.

So which one is it?
 
13614064:californiagrown said:
You argued that all rapes in Oslo(100%) were committed by refugees/Arabic folk, etc.

Then another member actually looks at the stats and it turns out it's 50%.

That would be a 100% increase in your original statistic, wouldn't it?

"In the capital of Oslo 100% of assault rapes between strangers were committed by immigrant non-western males and 9 out of 10 of their victims were native Norwegian women."

"Claims that all assault rapes are committed by foreigners are thus supported by these figures."

Everything in quotation marks are from sources interpreting and analyzing the Norwegian police data, both from myself and the one posted by ESB (Wikipedia, but I address it all the same).

Over 45% of all rapes (including date rape and like) were carried out by people from Islamic regions. At the time of the data, the muslim population was 1.8%, now it is at around 2.5%. Oslo's Muslim population now sits at around 8.4%.

Now, to be fair and narrow it down to Oslo, the police do not take religious data on the rapists. But they come from Islamic regions. African means primarily North Africans, Somalis, or Nigerians (from which almost exclusively muslims). The Middle East goes without saying. "Asian" means Pakistani and Afghani, and Indian Muslim. I've been following this problem long enough to know what the assigned categories really mean.

So with that in mind, combining statistics, 45% of all rapes in Germany are committed by (what is currently), only 8.4% of the population.

Again, this is my interpretation of the data, if you'd care to provide your interpretation, feel free. Perhaps you can understand the difference between differing interpretations and lying, or perhaps you cannot, it's hard to say.

I would simply ask that you read clearly, and avoid knee-jerk reactions. Also that you'd read more carefully through the sources that you yourself provide.
 
Sweden on suicide watch:

Migrants sexually assault and rape underage girls at Swedish swimming facilities:

http://www.metro.se/nyheter/misstankt-barnvaldtakt-pa-badhus-polisen-okar-bevakningen/EVHpay!Mrji8R0tQYtfI/

Translated by Google Translate (imperfect but the best I can offer, feel free to plug it in yourself if you do not believe it)

Earlier this year introduced Eriksdal in Stockholm separate whirlpools for men and women. The reason was an increased number of complaints regarding sexual molestation.

But the reports continued to come in to the police. In early January, suspected of a child having been raped, writes the police on his website.

- There is a police report, but no person has been arrested - more, I can not say at present, says Elisabeth Arnestad, Deputy Head of City Police, told Expressen.

►LÄS MORE: Eriksdal facing separate whirlpools for men and women

During the first two weeks of January must also four girls under 18 have been sexually molested.

"Designated as perpetrators of the crimes reported to the police are boys or young men without adult supervision," the police.

They suspect that the real number is large and takes very seriously the events. Therefore, increasing the police's presence on Eriksdal to counter sexbrotten.

►LÄS MORE: Bathhouse before the ban on cell phone

Reported crimes on Eriksdal

Sexual molestation against girl under 18

Period 2015-01-01-- 06-30: 1 case

Period 2015-07-01--12-31: 10 cases

The period 2016-01-01--01-15: 4 claims

Sexual molestation total, against women and men, all ages

Period 2015-01-01--12-31: 18 cases

Molestation total, against women and men, all ages

Period 2015-01-01--12-31: 8 cases

Child rape

Period 2016-01-01--01-15: 1 case
 
Sweden suicide watch (cont.):

Mother with two children attacked by migrant, punched, kicked and spit on. She was attempting to prevent an elderly person from being robbed.


At an asylum center, a girl working as social worker is stabbed to death by a 15-year old Somali migrant.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nt-centre-refugee-boy-15-arrested-murder.html

Swedish police not instructed not to report nationalities of criminals:

(Again from the imperfect Google translate)

Police in Stockholm has received internal directive not to report signalement when it committed crimes. It can SvD reveal. In the letter , press press officer in Stockholm that the police can be perceived as racist and therefore should not report identifying data to the public.

One should not routinely describe the appearance or ethnicity to not be under suspicion of racism.

http://www.svd.se/internt-polisbrev-stoppar-signalement/om/overgreppen-under-we-are-sthlm

Deafening silence from the Dhimmi defenders of Islam.
 
13614658:Campeador said:
Sweden suicide watch (cont.):

Mother with two children attacked by migrant, punched, kicked and spit on. She was attempting to prevent an elderly person from being robbed.


At an asylum center, a girl working as social worker is stabbed to death by a 15-year old Somali migrant.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nt-centre-refugee-boy-15-arrested-murder.html

Swedish police not instructed not to report nationalities of criminals:

(Again from the imperfect Google translate)

Police in Stockholm has received internal directive not to report signalement when it committed crimes. It can SvD reveal. In the letter , press press officer in Stockholm that the police can be perceived as racist and therefore should not report identifying data to the public.

One should not routinely describe the appearance or ethnicity to not be under suspicion of racism.

http://www.svd.se/internt-polisbrev-stoppar-signalement/om/overgreppen-under-we-are-sthlm

Deafening silence from the Dhimmi defenders of Islam.

Syrian refugee's help feed the homeless. Or does this not represent all of immigrants? Just like one rapist doesn't represent the entire population of immigrants. How come you aren't so concerned with citizins raping girls? Or do you only care about rape when it fits your agenda???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-26/syrian-man-feeds-homeless-to-give-something-back-to-germany/6978512
 
13614669:S.J.W said:
Syrian refugee's help feed the homeless. Or does this not represent all of immigrants? Just like one rapist doesn't represent the entire population of immigrants. How come you aren't so concerned with citizins raping girls? Or do you only care about rape when it fits your agenda???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-26/syrian-man-feeds-homeless-to-give-something-back-to-germany/6978512

One rapist? Are you deaf, dumb, and blind?

I've put case, after case, after case, of hundreds of sexual assaults in just Cologne, and multiple cases occurring throughout Europe before and since.

And in response? You managed to find a grand total of one man.

To quote Churchill again, because he nails it perfectly, "Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities" as your example clearly shows,

"But the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith."

You cannot argue against this, so you try to divert the discussion, as you typically do.

But I do want to thank you and your fellow SJWs for keeping this thread near the top. This migrant disaster needs to be continuously exposed for what it is, as does Islam.
 
13614677:Campeador said:
One rapist? Are you deaf, dumb, and blind?

I've put case, after case, after case, of hundreds of sexual assaults in just Cologne, and multiple cases occurring throughout Europe before and since.

And in response? You managed to find a grand total of one man.

To quote Churchill again, because he nails it perfectly, "Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities" as your example clearly shows,

"But the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith."

You cannot argue against this, so you try to divert the discussion, as you typically do.

But I do want to thank you and your fellow SJWs for keeping this thread near the top. This migrant disaster needs to be continuously exposed for what it is, as does Islam.

Because I'm not going to waste my time with someone as insufferable as you. If I searched the internet for more than ons search I could find case after case case of white rapists, black rapists, christian rapists, allien rapists, your mum being a rapist. Whatever the fuck I wanted to find. Did you also miss the part of the colonge attacks were only 18 immigrants were named as suspects... But I'm guessing you're going to gloss over that to fit your agenda? You're literally the only person who is arguing against Islam in this thread to such a point where even people who are against Islam can see how much of an idiot you are and aren't even backing you up.
 
13614688:S.J.W said:
Because I'm not going to waste my time with someone as insufferable as you. If I searched the internet for more than ons search I could find case after case case of white rapists, black rapists, christian rapists, allien rapists, your mum being a rapist. Whatever the fuck I wanted to find. Did you also miss the part of the colonge attacks were only 18 immigrants were named as suspects... But I'm guessing you're going to gloss over that to fit your agenda? You're literally the only person who is arguing against Islam in this thread to such a point where even people who are against Islam can see how much of an idiot you are and aren't even backing you up.

Ironic, since people who usually argue your side have call you an idiot. Or are you blocking how you were called out on how little you understand about executive actions.

18 suspects? You really are a total imbecile. At least these other guys can hold an argument (for the most part).

BBC News: Cologne attacks: New Year's Eve crime cases top 500
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35277249

"Justice Minister Heiko Maas told the Bild newspaper on Sunday that he was convinced the attacks were pre-arranged.

"If such a horde gathers in order to commit crimes, that appears in some form to be planned,'' he said. "Nobody can tell me that this was not co-ordinated or prepared."

Those 18 guys must have some kind of superhuman abilities.

Your continuous false equivalences show clearly that you really do suffer from some kind of mental disorder.

The forced subjugation of women is an integral part of Islamic culture. How can you possibly argue that it is not?
 
Denmark on suicide watch:

17-year old Danish girl charged by police after using pepper-spray to protect herself from a migrant rapist:
http://www.tvsyd.dk/artikel/brugte-peberspray-ved-overfald-17-aarig-sigtes-formentlig

(Again, excuse the imperfections of Google Translate)

"An attack by a 17-year-old woman from Sønderborg last week reported to the police, can now come to hit the 17-year-old woman on the wallet.

She will be charged with being in possession of a pepper spray, which she defended herself with.

- It is illegal to possess and use a pepper spray, so she will be charged, says Knud Kirsten, head of the local police in Sønderborg, the TV SYD.

According to her explanation, she was out at 10 o'clock pm, Wednesday night and approached by a swarthy man who spoke English. Then the man unbuttoned her pants and tried to get the trousers of the woman. The attack took place just opposite Sønderborghus centrally in Sonderborg."

Danish women report harassment by refugees:
http://www.thelocal.dk/20160113/danish-women-report-refugee-harassment

Officials in the northern town of Thisted, where a refugee tent camp hosting 365 asylum seekers opened in November, conceded on Tuesday that they are dealing with a harassment "problem" stemming from the camp's inhabitants.

"Several young women have felt unsafe on the streets, where they have been accosted by asylum seekers. The same thing has happened on the dance floor out in the nightlife," Lars Sloth, the director of the city's children and families unit, told news agency Ritzau.

Rafi Ibrahim, a Syrian who has lived in Denmark for years, said that in Hadserslev the city's new refugees and asylum centres "don't know the rules" about how to behave around Danish women.

"If they see a girl, they go nuts. They simply can't handle it. The try to grab ahold of the girl's clothes or paw her," he told TV Syd.

Ibrahim said that there simply is a marked difference between the newcomers' view of women and what is the norm in Denmark.

"In Syria and many other countries, it is not normal for a strange woman to smile at you. Those girls who are harassed aren't necessarily scantily-dressed or drunk. Some times it is enough just to be a girl," he said.
 
13614669:S.J.W said:
Syrian refugee's help feed the homeless. Or does this not represent all of immigrants? Just like one rapist doesn't represent the entire population of immigrants. How come you aren't so concerned with citizins raping girls? Or do you only care about rape when it fits your agenda???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-26/syrian-man-feeds-homeless-to-give-something-back-to-germany/6978512

Maybe this guy should be directing his free soup to all the girls that have been raped and sexually assaulted by his fellow migrants.

Do you think he'll be able to make enough?
 
Yeah, sorry, but the good things done by a group doesn't somehow offset the bad things they do. Hezbollah performs numerous charitable activities. They're still a terrorist organization. The government of Saudi Arabia performs many good services for its citizens. It also sanctions the stoning of a woman to death for adultery after valuing her testimony at less than that of a man.

Seriously, there are problems here. It's not at all surprising that some refugees from middle eastern nations will behave abominably. It's a tiny minority of those refugees, but the minority exists and it's a problem that needs to be addressed, not ignored or dismissed.

I swear, anyone who can call themselves a feminist and ignore this sort of thing, you are just the worst sort of hypocrite.
 
13615351:Campeador said:
Ironic, since people who usually argue your side have call you an idiot. Or are you blocking how you were called out on how little you understand about executive actions.

18 suspects? You really are a total imbecile. At least these other guys can hold an argument (for the most part).

BBC News: Cologne attacks: New Year's Eve crime cases top 500
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35277249

"Justice Minister Heiko Maas told the Bild newspaper on Sunday that he was convinced the attacks were pre-arranged.

"If such a horde gathers in order to commit crimes, that appears in some form to be planned,'' he said. "Nobody can tell me that this was not co-ordinated or prepared."

Those 18 guys must have some kind of superhuman abilities.

Your continuous false equivalences show clearly that you really do suffer from some kind of mental disorder.

The forced subjugation of women is an integral part of Islamic culture. How can you possibly argue that it is not?

As far as executive actions go I couldn't find anything about the change in definition or anything over the years, so I just let it go.

And I love how confident you are in your own argumentative skills. Your entire argument is based on taking a few rapists and painting is as an epidemic. Yeah because white europeans never raped anyone right? How come you aren't so concerned with pedophilia within the christian church which was much more wide spread than a few immigrants. But you can probably tell the difference between a practicing christian and a pedophile right???

And as far as muslim woman being oppressed goes, you're confusing culture and religion. If religion was the common denominator then muslim woman in the west would be more oppressed than the average woman. But they are not. In Indonesia and Turkey woman are 100% equal to men. But they're majority muslim nation???

Now, you're more than free to think that in the middle east Islam is the key component. But I'd much rather trust an expert on religion Reza Aslan than your opinion which you have proved time and time again is pretty much based on fox news and fear mongering of anyone who isn't white.
 
13616233:S.J.W said:
As far as executive actions go I couldn't find anything about the change in definition or anything over the years, so I just let it go.

And I love how confident you are in your own argumentative skills. Your entire argument is based on taking a few rapists and painting is as an epidemic. Yeah because white europeans never raped anyone right? How come you aren't so concerned with pedophilia within the christian church which was much more wide spread than a few immigrants. But you can probably tell the difference between a practicing christian and a pedophile right???

And as far as muslim woman being oppressed goes, you're confusing culture and religion. If religion was the common denominator then muslim woman in the west would be more oppressed than the average woman. But they are not. In Indonesia and Turkey woman are 100% equal to men. But they're majority muslim nation???

Now, you're more than free to think that in the middle east Islam is the key component. But I'd much rather trust an expert on religion Reza Aslan than your opinion which you have proved time and time again is pretty much based on fox news and fear mongering of anyone who isn't white.

Again, all your arguments are predicated on false equivalences. How can you know my position onf pedophilia in the Catholic church? It's disgusting, and needs to be eliminated. You'll find no defense of the Catholic clergy here.

However, I have yet to see organized gangs of Catholic priests sexually assaulting and raping girls in public, or running sex trafficking rings that targets underage girls of non-Catholic faiths. I do not see Catholic priests preaching that women who do not cover up are "whores", or that non-Catholic women are fair-game for rape. These are Islamic problems.

"If religion was the common denominator then muslim woman in the west would be more oppressed than the average woman. But they are not. In Indonesia and Turkey woman are 100% equal to men."

Is that so? So you're willing to tell me a government run by a MB-linked Islamist, Erdogan, sees women as 100% is equal? You're willing to tell me that Indonesia, which now has various regions governed under Sharia law, permits this because they see women as 100% equal?

Reza Aslan is a disingenuous, taqiyya liar. If you consider him an expert on religion, then again, you just provide further confirmation that you suffer from a mental disorder.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/10/05/reza-aslan-is-wrong-about-islam-and-this-is-why/

"Let us be clear here: No one in their right mind would claim that Indonesia, Malaysia, and Bangladesh are a "free and open society for women." Happily, a few of them have enshrined laws that have done much to bring about some progress in equality between the sexes. But this progress is hindered or even eroded by the creeping strength of the notoriously anti-woman Sharia courts.

For example:

Indonesia has increasingly become more conservative. (Notoriously anti-women) Sharia courts that were "optional" have risen to equal status with regular courts in family matters. The conservative Aceh province even legislates criminal matters via Sharia courts, which has been said to violate fundamental human rights."

"And finally we come to Turkey, a country oft-cited by apologists due to its relative stability, liberalism, and gender equality. What they consistently choose to ignore is that historically, Turkey was militantly secular. We mean this literally: The country's founder, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, created a secular state and pushed Islam out of the public sphere (outlawing polygamy, child marriages, and giving divorce rights to women) through (at times, military) force. He even banned the headscarf in various public sectors and is believed by some to have been an atheist.

Only apologists would ignore the circumstances that led to Turkey's incredible progress and success relative to the Muslim world, and hold it up as an example of "Islamic" advancement of women's rights. In fact, child marriages (which continue to be widespread in rural Turkey), are often hidden due to the practice of "religious" marriages (Nikah) being performed without informing secular authorities. Turkey was recently forced to pass a law banning religious marriages with penalties imposed on imams for violations."

Time to start undoing the damage in your head:

 
13616286:Campeador said:
Again, all your arguments are predicated on false equivalences. How can you know my position onf pedophilia in the Catholic church? It's disgusting, and needs to be eliminated. You'll find no defense of the Catholic clergy here.

However, I have yet to see organized gangs of Catholic priests sexually assaulting and raping girls in public, or running sex trafficking rings that targets underage girls of non-Catholic faiths. I do not see Catholic priests preaching that women who do not cover up are "whores", or that non-Catholic women are fair-game for rape. These are Islamic problems.

"If religion was the common denominator then muslim woman in the west would be more oppressed than the average woman. But they are not. In Indonesia and Turkey woman are 100% equal to men."

Is that so? So you're willing to tell me a government run by a MB-linked Islamist, Erdogan, sees women as 100% is equal? You're willing to tell me that Indonesia, which now has various regions governed under Sharia law, permits this because they see women as 100% equal?

Reza Aslan is a disingenuous, taqiyya liar. If you consider him an expert on religion, then again, you just provide further confirmation that you suffer from a mental disorder.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/10/05/reza-aslan-is-wrong-about-islam-and-this-is-why/

"Let us be clear here: No one in their right mind would claim that Indonesia, Malaysia, and Bangladesh are a "free and open society for women." Happily, a few of them have enshrined laws that have done much to bring about some progress in equality between the sexes. But this progress is hindered or even eroded by the creeping strength of the notoriously anti-woman Sharia courts.

For example:

Indonesia has increasingly become more conservative. (Notoriously anti-women) Sharia courts that were "optional" have risen to equal status with regular courts in family matters. The conservative Aceh province even legislates criminal matters via Sharia courts, which has been said to violate fundamental human rights."

"And finally we come to Turkey, a country oft-cited by apologists due to its relative stability, liberalism, and gender equality. What they consistently choose to ignore is that historically, Turkey was militantly secular. We mean this literally: The country's founder, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, created a secular state and pushed Islam out of the public sphere (outlawing polygamy, child marriages, and giving divorce rights to women) through (at times, military) force. He even banned the headscarf in various public sectors and is believed by some to have been an atheist.

Only apologists would ignore the circumstances that led to Turkey's incredible progress and success relative to the Muslim world, and hold it up as an example of "Islamic" advancement of women's rights. In fact, child marriages (which continue to be widespread in rural Turkey), are often hidden due to the practice of "religious" marriages (Nikah) being performed without informing secular authorities. Turkey was recently forced to pass a law banning religious marriages with penalties imposed on imams for violations."

Time to start undoing the damage in your head:


TLDR
 
13616220:J.D. said:
Yeah, sorry, but the good things done by a group doesn't somehow offset the bad things they do. Hezbollah performs numerous charitable activities. They're still a terrorist organization. The government of Saudi Arabia performs many good services for its citizens. It also sanctions the stoning of a woman to death for adultery after valuing her testimony at less than that of a man.

Seriously, there are problems here. It's not at all surprising that some refugees from middle eastern nations will behave abominably. It's a tiny minority of those refugees, but the minority exists and it's a problem that needs to be addressed, not ignored or dismissed.

I swear, anyone who can call themselves a feminist and ignore this sort of thing, you are just the worst sort of hypocrite.

Totally. The issue is when folks want to institute policy that will discriminate unilaterally accross everyone seeking refuge from that part of the world because of the actions of that small minority.
 
13616322:S.J.W said:

Shouldn't expect you to, you've got the attention span of a gnat.

Plus you'd only be embarrassed about how your pathetic arguments were thoroughly trashed.

Keep believing Reza Aslan, you imbecile.
 
13616682:Campeador said:
Shouldn't expect you to, you've got the attention span of a gnat.

Plus you'd only be embarrassed about how your pathetic arguments were thoroughly trashed.

Keep believing Reza Aslan, you imbecile.

Nah I just can't be fucked to converse with someone as insufferable as you. You've given me my daily laughs at how fucked up you are in the head. Seriously, what do you all day in chile? Just google "muslim immigrant rapes young kid" and then you probably stroke your dick off to satisfy your inferiority complex. You are the laughing stock of Newschoolers. Now go back to your shit hole of a country that is Chile and try not to rape any kids you immigrant scum.
 
13616717:S.J.W said:
Nah I just can't be fucked to converse with someone as insufferable as you. You've given me my daily laughs at how fucked up you are in the head. Seriously, what do you all day in chile? Just google "muslim immigrant rapes young kid" and then you probably stroke your dick off to satisfy your inferiority complex. You are the laughing stock of Newschoolers. Now go back to your shit hole of a country that is Chile and try not to rape any kids you immigrant scum.

You are a total oxymoron.

I realize being embarrassed every time you post must be getting to you, but try and keep your composure.
 
13616740:RudyGarmisch said:
Campeador and S.J.W. - get a room and work on your issues, not NSG.

My thanks to you and the other mods for not deleting this thread (like the disgraceful mods over at Reddit have been doing with a vengeance against anything that portrays migrants even remotely negatively).

It speaks to your character, whether you agree with my points or not.
 
13616233:S.J.W said:
And as far as muslim woman being oppressed goes, you're confusing culture and religion. If religion was the common denominator then muslim woman in the west would be more oppressed than the average woman. But they are not. In Indonesia and Turkey woman are 100% equal to men. But they're majority muslim nation???

Now, you're more than free to think that in the middle east Islam is the key component. But I'd much rather trust an expert on religion Reza Aslan than your opinion which you have proved time and time again is pretty much based on fox news and fear mongering of anyone who isn't white.

As others have noted (in this thread and in others), Reza Aslan couldn't make factually correct statement if his life depended on it. He has been called out by fact checkers almost as often as Donald Trump has. He is a liar who will twist a story and omit details to further his agenda which is blatantly geared to defending religion at all costs. He is the epitome of the straw man fallacy. For Reza Aslan, the ends justify the means and that is not a quality anyone should be proud of.

If you want to hear actual arguments based on fact & logic, from a Muslim, please research Maajid Nawaz. He runs a think tank in the UK called the Quilliam Foundation that seeks to reform Islam. There are also many other intellectual (mainly secular) thinkers, such as Sam Harris and Douglas Murray who plainly discuss the issues without twisting or warping a viewpoint in order to attack it.

Here are 3 full interviews from the Rubin Report (a very liberal, openly gay host) that will bring to light the good & bad arguments in this whole topic.



 
13616949:onenerdykid said:
As others have noted (in this thread and in others), Reza Aslan couldn't make factually correct statement if his life depended on it. He has been called out by fact checkers almost as often as Donald Trump has. He is a liar who will twist a story and omit details to further his agenda which is blatantly geared to defending religion at all costs. He is the epitome of the straw man fallacy. For Reza Aslan, the ends justify the means and that is not a quality anyone should be proud of.

If you want to hear actual arguments based on fact & logic, from a Muslim, please research Maajid Nawaz. He runs a think tank in the UK called the Quilliam Foundation that seeks to reform Islam. There are also many other intellectual (mainly secular) thinkers, such as Sam Harris and Douglas Murray who plainly discuss the issues without twisting or warping a viewpoint in order to attack it.

Here are 3 full interviews from the Rubin Report (a very liberal, openly gay host) that will bring to light the good & bad arguments in this whole topic.




And I agree with pretty much every point made in those videos. Why??? Well because they can easily and very clearly tell the difference between the wrongs of Islam and the people of Islam and so on and so on. If people like campeador are so scared about Islam then if he wants his opinion to be taken seriously then he should refrain from sounding like a xenophobic idiot.

Are there things wrong with Islam and the people? Yes, but does that mean we should close our hearts to refugee's escaping war? Fuck no. They're human and every human deserves the right to live free from war and terrorism.
 
13616963:S.J.W said:
Are there things wrong with Islam and the people? Yes, but does that mean we should close our hearts to refugee's escaping war? Fuck no. They're human and every human deserves the right to live free from war and terrorism.

Even if they decide to bring war and terrorism with them.

The problem with having a bleeding-heart is that you eventually bleed out.
 
13617397:Campeador said:
Even if they decide to bring war and terrorism with them.

The problem with having a bleeding-heart is that you eventually bleed out.

I feel like you've either never seen human suffering, or are a physchopath. The detached and cruel way you speak about an entire population of humans as though they are less than animals brings to mind the way nazi leaders spoke of Jews.
 
SJW, you are so simplistic and Manichean in your approach to these issues. The conflation of all of these topics has made them impossible to talk about, because people like you will just freak out and deny that there's any problem that needs to be discussed.

We're not talking about labelling Muslims as a monolithic group of bad people, we're talking about confronting the issues in these Islamist societies that trample all over every value you should care about if you want to call yourself a liberal.

S.J.WNow, you're more than free to think that in the middle east Islam is the key component. But I'd much rather trust an expert on religion Reza Aslan than your opinion which you have proved time and time again is pretty much based on fox news and fear mongering of anyone who isn't white.

Reza Aslan is a well known liar. He has no credibility at this point.


I am a liberal. I am trying, desperately, to get through to my fellow liberals like you. We are completely fucking failing in this debate. Please, please, reconsider your dogmatic responses on these issues. They have no relationship to reality.
 
13616286:Campeador said:
Time to start undoing the damage in your head:


Sarah Haider is fantastic, but you posted the wrong video. This is the one SJW needs to watch. It might be the most important thing he possibly could watch to hopefully rid himself of the problems with his mode of thought.


I probably agree with Campeador on almost nothing, politically... so you really need to stop and consider how far you've wandered off the reservation if you're on the opposite side of both of us on this.
 
13617458:J.D. said:
Reza Aslan is a well known liar. He has no credibility at this point.


Finally got around to watching the whole thing.

I mean... I knew he was a lying POS before, but I had no idea of the true extent of it.

Thanks for posting that.
 
13613208:ESB said:
Nobody seems to have a problem when German men rape German women. But God forbid that an Arab or an African do something untoward. Rape and sexual violence in Germany should be exclusively the right of white German males.

Surely German citizens are involved as well and no one is entitled to rape. But that's not the main point. It's about representation in relation to the entire population in this country.

The federal bureau of crime BKA annual stats about rape and other crimes (PKS) can be found here
http://www.bka.de/nn_205960/sid_A7F...heKriminalstatistik/pks__node.html?__nnn=true

With 81 million citizens and over 8 million foreigners living in the country until end of 2014 there were about 7400 completed rapes with offenders sentenced, about 30% of them non-German citizens (Turks leading however they are the biggest foreign population too).

What the stats don't break down any more due to anti-discrimination laws: 20% of German passport holders have a migrant background these days, mostly Turkish. This means they fall under the German native category.

Also striking: the rape conviction rate is below 9% of the charges filed - this in return means that about 80,000 incidents of completed rape were initially reported to police authorities.
 
13636111:Hackster said:
no one is entitled to rape.

Not according to the Koran.

“The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)

Or Suad Saleh, a female Islamic scholar,

"The female prisoners of war are 'those whom you own'. In order to humiliate them, they become the property of a Muslim and he can have sex with them just like he has sex with his wives"

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/5252.htm
 
13645794:Campeador said:
Not according to the Koran.

“The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)

Or Suad Saleh, a female Islamic scholar,

"The female prisoners of war are 'those whom you own'. In order to humiliate them, they become the property of a Muslim and he can have sex with them just like he has sex with his wives"

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/5252.htm

You just keep bumping this thread aye. Fuck am I entitled to stone gay people?

Are woman meant to be silent?

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." (1 Timothy 2:12)

Brb just going to shove your infant against a rock.

"Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." (Psalm 137:9)

Or can I kill everyone?"

This is what the Lord Almighty says... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" (1 Samuel 15:3)

If anyone takes either the bible seriously or the Koran is a fucking idiot. The god you follow does not automatically make you a bad person, nor does it make you a good person. If Islam was violent then you would have 1.6 billion muslims wanting to kill you, instead of like that one san bernado shooter. The fact that you still fail to see this makes me laugh at you
 
13645808:S.J.W said:
You just keep bumping this thread aye. Fuck am I entitled to stone gay people?

Are woman meant to be silent?

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." (1 Timothy 2:12)

Brb just going to shove your infant against a rock.

"Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." (Psalm 137:9)

Or can I kill everyone?"

This is what the Lord Almighty says... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" (1 Samuel 15:3)

If anyone takes either the bible seriously or the Koran is a fucking idiot. The god you follow does not automatically make you a bad person, nor does it make you a good person. If Islam was violent then you would have 1.6 billion muslims wanting to kill you, instead of like that one san bernado shooter. The fact that you still fail to see this makes me laugh at you

Again, nothing but bullshit false equivalences. All your examples are from the Old Testament, which every Christian understands, is superseded by the New Testament.

The Koran is the last and final authority on all things Muslim. While Christians strive (imperfectly) to emulate the example set by Christ, who mostly preached peace and tolerance between people, Muslims seek to emulate Muhammad, a bloodthirsty warlord who subjugated women, raped little girls, and encouraged his followers to do the same. The behavior of both Christians and Muslims today would seem to only confirm this.

Furthermore, the violent passages from the Old Testament are mostly related to telling the religious history, while the violent passages from the Koran, the Hadith, and the Sunnah are written mostly as instructions or commandments for Muslims. You seem to purposefully ignore this. The Koran and the following texts are also considered the final revelation of God, that is to say, not questionable.

I'm not going to stand for your blatant dishonesty and lies regarding the numbers of Muslims who support Islamic fundamentalism.

Learn something for once, free yourself of your cancerous social justice dogma:

 
13645808:S.J.W said:
You just keep bumping this thread aye. Fuck am I entitled to stone gay people?

Are woman meant to be silent?

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." (1 Timothy 2:12)

Brb just going to shove your infant against a rock.

"Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." (Psalm 137:9)

Or can I kill everyone?"

This is what the Lord Almighty says... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" (1 Samuel 15:3)

If anyone takes either the bible seriously or the Koran is a fucking idiot. The god you follow does not automatically make you a bad person, nor does it make you a good person. If Islam was violent then you would have 1.6 billion muslims wanting to kill you, instead of like that one san bernado shooter. The fact that you still fail to see this makes me laugh at you

I love how the answer to "this medieval book about a warlord is full of terrible terrible stuff" is "well here's ANOTHER book from an early agrarian society that also is full of terrible terrible stuff". What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Yeah. These are both terrible sources of moral guidance. That's the entire point. The Old Testament contains a lot of awful, genocidal superstitious shit. It's exactly what you'd expect from a book written in that society. The Quran contains a lot of oppressive, warmongering shit. It's, again, exactly what you'd expect from a book written in that society. The New Testament has some bad stuff in it too, but less so purely as a result of a historical accident; the biblical Jesus comes off pretty much like the 2000-years-ago edition of a pacifist hippie, as opposed to a very successful warlord like Muhammad.

Here's the difference: more people DO take the Quran seriously. Hundreds of millions of people take a large number of the bad ideas in that book completely seriously. There are millions and millions of people who want to - and DO - chop peoples' hands off for theft, stone people for adultery, crucify people for leaving the Faith and throw people off of tall buildings for being gay, because they take their medieval book full of terrible shit really, really seriously. That's the reason people are more worried about it than the Old Testament. They're both shitty sources of moral guidance, it's just that at this point in history, one source is being enacted more broadly and in more extreme ways than the other.
 
13645794:Campeador said:
Not according to the Koran.

I call an asshole an asshole, no matter how he attempts to justify being one or where he's coming from.

Back on topic, final score of Cologne's Arabian night (use Google translator)
http://www.derwesten.de/region/zahl...eutlich-hoeher-als-angenommen-id11480546.html

Migrant related crime is going through the roof now. Just a few links of hundreds, way too many to post.....
http://www.berlinjournal.biz/mehr-als-ein-drittel-der-nordafrikaner-in-nrw-ist-kriminell/
http://www.derwesten.de/politik/nrw...nsaetze-an-fluechtlingsheimen-id11563416.html
http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/panorama/nrw-gefaengnisse-platzen-aus-allen-naehten-aid-1.5762289
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ences-including-sex-assaults-murder-rise.html
http://www.bild.de/bild-plus/politik/inland/bundeskriminalamt/der-bka-bericht-44587004,var=a,view=conversionToLogin.bild.html

As the weaker gender and easy prey, women are particulary often victimized by assaults
http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/staedte...auen-opfer-von-raubueberfaellen-aid-1.5765049

Authorities block police from cracking down hard on immigrant perpetrators
http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/f...lizei-wirklich-so-machtlos-44344096.bild.html
http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/...chtlinge-nicht-mal-festhalten_id_5203930.html
http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/...hlimmer-als-offizielle-zahlen_id_5169053.html

Same time migrant crime is obscured harder than ever, including social and mainstream media (self) censorship in the name of 'hate speech' (Cologne incidents were uncovered first by social media)
http://www.welt.de/regionales/duess...olizei-Statistik-Verbrechen-verheimlicht.html
http://www.haz.de/Nachrichten/Polit...minalitaet-Ist-die-Gewalt-Statistik-geschoent
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschl...h-bei-Migranten-Kriminalitaet-gegaengelt.html
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/57535719-story
http://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch...llschaft-das-schweige-kartell_id_5212427.html
http://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch...ntaenzern-auf-druck-streichen_id_5229634.html
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschl...eimlicht-die-Polizei-brisante-Straftaten.html

Police internal investigation aiming at uncovering wistleblowers on Cologne incidents
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachric...ie-nacht-von-koeln-oeffentlich-gemacht-haben/

Meanwhile, migrant crime is disrupting restaurant and night club business due to molestion and assaults on female guests - off limits imposed
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellsc...clubs-mit-fluechtlingen-umgehen-14043522.html
http://www.pnp.de/mobile/?cid=1935015
http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2016-01/fluechtlinge-clubs-freiburg-verbot
http://www.badische-zeitung.de/kein...uechtlinge-in-freiburgs-clubs-und-diskotheken
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/...e-gegen-kriminelle-fluechtlinge-14031986.html

Some schools receive special guard after assaults and sexual attacks on students
http://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten....utz.094eadea-19de-4f79-b0db-fb1753d371d2.html
http://www.harburg-aktuell.de/news/police/sexuelle-ubergriffe-erste-schule-unter-polizeischutz.html

Public transportation is affected thruout the country - stories like these are commonplace
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/P...suchte-vergewaltigung-im-regionalexpress.html
http://www.maz-online.de/Home/Polizei/Mann-schlaegt-und-belaestigt-Frauen-in-S-Bahn
http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/nac...ulbus-sexuell-belaestigt-aimp-id11525476.html

In response to law enforcement failure, citizens organize first vigilante groups
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/...54311.html?printPagedArticle=true#pageIndex_2
http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/staedte...ren-formieren-sich-bei-facebook-aid-1.5674308
http://www.dw.com/en/germans-organize-vigilante-groups-on-social-media/a-18971895

First hand account of a social worker on experience with migrants disenchanted public
http://www.welt.de/regionales/hambu...ssig-und-aufdringlich.html#comment-2463431444

Seems as if they are in for some great times.
 
13646304:Hackster said:
I call an asshole an asshole, no matter how he attempts to justify being one or where he's coming from.

Back on topic, final score of Cologne's Arabian night (use Google translator)
http://www.derwesten.de/region/zahl...eutlich-hoeher-als-angenommen-id11480546.html

Migrant related crime is going through the roof now. Just a few links of hundreds, way too many to post.....
http://www.berlinjournal.biz/mehr-als-ein-drittel-der-nordafrikaner-in-nrw-ist-kriminell/
http://www.derwesten.de/politik/nrw...nsaetze-an-fluechtlingsheimen-id11563416.html
http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/panorama/nrw-gefaengnisse-platzen-aus-allen-naehten-aid-1.5762289
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ences-including-sex-assaults-murder-rise.html
http://www.bild.de/bild-plus/politik/inland/bundeskriminalamt/der-bka-bericht-44587004,var=a,view=conversionToLogin.bild.html

As the weaker gender and easy prey, women are particulary often victimized by assaults
http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/staedte...auen-opfer-von-raubueberfaellen-aid-1.5765049

Authorities block police from cracking down hard on immigrant perpetrators
http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/f...lizei-wirklich-so-machtlos-44344096.bild.html
http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/...chtlinge-nicht-mal-festhalten_id_5203930.html
http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/...hlimmer-als-offizielle-zahlen_id_5169053.html

Same time migrant crime is obscured harder than ever, including social and mainstream media (self) censorship in the name of 'hate speech' (Cologne incidents were uncovered first by social media)
http://www.welt.de/regionales/duess...olizei-Statistik-Verbrechen-verheimlicht.html
http://www.haz.de/Nachrichten/Polit...minalitaet-Ist-die-Gewalt-Statistik-geschoent
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschl...h-bei-Migranten-Kriminalitaet-gegaengelt.html
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/57535719-story
http://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch...llschaft-das-schweige-kartell_id_5212427.html
http://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch...ntaenzern-auf-druck-streichen_id_5229634.html
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschl...eimlicht-die-Polizei-brisante-Straftaten.html

Police internal investigation aiming at uncovering wistleblowers on Cologne incidents
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachric...ie-nacht-von-koeln-oeffentlich-gemacht-haben/

Meanwhile, migrant crime is disrupting restaurant and night club business due to molestion and assaults on female guests - off limits imposed
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellsc...clubs-mit-fluechtlingen-umgehen-14043522.html
http://www.pnp.de/mobile/?cid=1935015
http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2016-01/fluechtlinge-clubs-freiburg-verbot
http://www.badische-zeitung.de/kein...uechtlinge-in-freiburgs-clubs-und-diskotheken
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/...e-gegen-kriminelle-fluechtlinge-14031986.html

Some schools receive special guard after assaults and sexual attacks on students
http://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten....utz.094eadea-19de-4f79-b0db-fb1753d371d2.html
http://www.harburg-aktuell.de/news/police/sexuelle-ubergriffe-erste-schule-unter-polizeischutz.html

Public transportation is affected thruout the country - stories like these are commonplace
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/P...suchte-vergewaltigung-im-regionalexpress.html
http://www.maz-online.de/Home/Polizei/Mann-schlaegt-und-belaestigt-Frauen-in-S-Bahn
http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/nac...ulbus-sexuell-belaestigt-aimp-id11525476.html

In response to law enforcement failure, citizens organize first vigilante groups
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/...54311.html?printPagedArticle=true#pageIndex_2
http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/staedte...ren-formieren-sich-bei-facebook-aid-1.5674308
http://www.dw.com/en/germans-organize-vigilante-groups-on-social-media/a-18971895

First hand account of a social worker on experience with migrants disenchanted public
http://www.welt.de/regionales/hambu...ssig-und-aufdringlich.html#comment-2463431444

Seems as if they are in for some great times.

Yup.

Pussy ass lefties should realize how dangerous the world is becoming and that Trump is the only prominent politician who stands against the muslim invasion of Europe.

Merkel belongs in jail.
 
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