NS FRATERNITY/SORORITY ROLL CALL

the networking however gets kids in a fraternity a high paying job. also the Greek GPA is usually the same or higher than the college average
 
and there lies my issue with frats. They ALL claim they see everyone as equal, but the fundamental point of frats is to be better than everyone else by paying for it.

You want to be in the highest social circle on campus, get the best jobs, and go further in life all through paying to be part of an organization. You want your successful life to be fast tracked, and devoid of any real experiences out of it. You never want to deal with real defeat, to actually learn how to build success over time, or create real relationships with total strangers.

You want to get laid, party and eventually paid without putting in the real work it takes to do any of those things.

People in frats are not all bad people. There are some shitty kids, but thats true in any group. But any "charitable organization" that promotes acting like a tool and fucking sluts is a waste of time. If you want to develop a real, long lasting brotherhood you should learn to do it in the real world, not have it done for you.

But i guess they fit well with the instasnapbook society we have decided to live in, it just seems like such a shallow, undermining way to live in college. You learn how to pass classes, dress well, do good in interviews, but it really does nothing to make you a better person. Sometimes it can, but for most of the kids I know in frats they are gaining nothing worthwhile. One just dropped out because he became a raging alcoholic, another got arrested for selling coke out of his house. I'm not saying they are all that way, but the kids who say thats rare and isolated need to open their eyes.

Building a fake exclusive class of people that revolves around partying and drinking and "being better (than your peers)" seems pretty retarded.
 
folks who hate on someone because they are in a frat are shitty people, and folks who are in frats that hate on non-greeks are shitty people.

different strokes for different folks.

College is much more a social education than it is an academic one(extecpt STEM). The business world resembles greek life much more than it resembles the life of your average non-greek. Generally, greeks find it easier to assimilate and succeed in that type of environment. The real world is full of stupid politics, crude and comepetitive behavior, and generally social dynamics very similar to that of a frat/sorority.

I loved my time in a frat. I made some great, great friends i otherwise wouldnt have met(engineering isnt a great place to meet other jockish people), and learned some valuable lessons about dealing with people and their bullshit. Frats are simply put- a group of people with similar interests that formed an organization to pursue those intersts. thos interests range from sports, to partying, from academics to video games, and from feeling a team atmosphere to philanthropic activities. No one loves all of it, the the whole package is awesome.

there are douchbags in every walk of life, and its true that they do tend to congreagate in fraternities. But the image people put out to the world may or may not be the person they actually are. I usually try to get to know folks before i pass judgement on them, and i certainly dont judge someone based purely on an organization they belong to.

HFF,

Californiagrown

 
you have an extremely naive/ jaded view of greek life.

And FWIW, for me, living in the frat was exactly the same as living out of the house. The $400/semester dues(that would be "extra" compared to non-greek) went towards raft trips, alcohol budget, guest speakers, and social events. It actually is not more expensive, from my experience.

Specifically what are YOU personally gaining in college that is worthwhile that someone in the Greek system is not?
 
Look at this a frat kid spewing shot out of his mouth. You sir are wrong, I consider myself an advocate for fraternity life. As the start of a new academic year approaches and recruitment beckons on the horizon, a pesky statistic rears its head. Every time I see it on Greek Life websites or in a chapter’s recruitment information, I cringe. The fact in question is “Every U.S. President and Vice President, except two in each office, born since the first social fraternity was founded in 1825, have been members of a fraternity.”

To be fair, there may have been a grain of truth in that statistic at one time. Rutherford B. Hayes, born in 1822, was initiated as an honorary member of Delta Kappa Epsilon. Every President from Hayes through Calvin Coolidge, a Phi Gamma Delta initiated as a student at Amherst College, belonged to a Greek-letter organization either as a collegiate member or an honorary member. Herbert Hoover was the first to break that long streak. The next to break it was Lyndon Johnson. Up until this point, the statement would have been true. Unfortunately, after Johnson, the statistic becomes not so true. Neither Richard Nixon nor Jimmy Carter belonged to Greek-letter organizations. Current President Barack Obama is not a fraternity man. And to be honest, I didn’t even go searching for the Vice President information because I quickly came up with more than two recent ones who haven’t been fraternity men, including our current Vice President, Joe Biden. I am fairly certain that neither Walter Mondale, Al Gore, nor Dick Cheney belonged to a fraternity while in college.

While I would love it if the above statement was true, the fact is that it is not. I suspect someone saw it on something written in the 1960s when it was true and used it in a poster or webpage. It then spread like wildfire. It appears on countless websites as a given fact. Don’t believe me? Do a quick search and you will get pages and pages of results. A quick look at the North-American Interfraternity Conference (NIC) web-site points out the truth that “At this date 44% of U.S. Presidents have held fraternity membership.”
 
Yes there are some people like that in Fraternities but there are also some good people in Fraternities.

The argument of paying for it is true and very untrue. Yes you are paying for a membership, but it's not like you are just paying dues and getting nothing. Most of the time your dues goes to events and things that you will participate in. And if you were not in a Fraternity and these events were going on you may go to them and pay to get in. So dues (at least for my Fraternity) were all going to events and shit that we did.

So you are paying to be a member, but it's not like you are just paying to be part of a group. The money goes to events and things you want to do.

Fraternities are have a bad side and a good side like most things in life. I was able to avoid a lot of the douche bags and tried to build a Fraternity on good people. Not who worked out the most or was the best athlete. Though I did go after athletes because I wanted to win on the intramural teams I played on.
 
and most people hate 'frat guys' because they

A) got turned down at the door of a party

B) never hang out with any sort of female and are frustrated with drinking PBR in a basement with 3 dudes

C) wish they rushed
 
That it's a dumb yet probably accidental fallacy. It was just bugging the hell out of me so I had to quote that shit.
 
I mean in miami at least I either pay 400 a semester and can drink or party any day of the week or go to south beach and blow 100 a night. You tell me the smarter choice.
 
Yeah I get that part. Again, just being an asshat.

On another note, America is so damn frat/anti frat centric. Canada gives me the vibe that no one gives a fuck. A few buddies who have moved and are in Greek life haven't changed at all, and they also seem indifferent about it. Locally though there isn't anything in my city for Greek life, and idk a few frats in Winnipeg.

At the end of the day though, the only fraternity that will ever really matter in my opinion is Freemasonry. Those guys get shit done.
 
Okay.

I disagree. First, youre right; i wouldnt have gone to these events if they werent Frat sponsored. But at 25 years old, looking back, i am damn glad i did.

I know proper manners at social events- as taught by some old manners maid. It sounds douchey, i know. i thought so too. But honestly i am very glad i know them. that 1.5 hour class has saved me from embarassing situations more than once, and i feel like a boss when i can impress older people(the 65+ crowd loves a good mannered young man). You dont like the feeling of impressing people-with your humour, manners, wit etc?

I also know how to dance. Im no great balroom dancer, but i do know how to waltz, kinda salsa, and swing dance at a basic level. this has come in handy at a couple weddings, and a few other instances. no class, i wouldnt have been dancing with people, i would have been too embarrased i didnt know how.

Ever been hypnotized? i have. Ever tear down and build a playground in a park i have. Been a male stripper, i have. Off the top of my, very stoned at the moment, head those are some things i never would have partaken had i not been in a Frat. Im stoked that i know these things, and have experienced things like that.

Frats are kinda like going to a backpacking trip that was organized by your REI or sierra club group. You probly wouldnt have done such an epic trek if you were on your own, or within yourr social circle. But hey, if someone else can plan out and put together an epic trip for you youll shell out the money to pitch on it.

If i wasnt in a frat, my liquor choice would have also been much more expensive. Buying busch Light in bulk is a helluva lot cheaper than something halfway good. so i guess thats another positive? haha

Im just saying that i loved doing the stuff my $400 dues payed for. i think it was well woth the price.

 
I'm just going to throw out that those "old rich folks" that you are talking about with the table manners likely have worse manners than a large majority of people our age. I was actually really surprised in meeting with a lot of the biggest donors for the U of Utah and having dinner with them, that I probably had the best table manners at the table despite their age/class. Just kinda thought it was interesting cause I know it surprised the hell outta me.
 
I hate frat kids that think the only way to have sex with a girl is to go to a frat party, and make up statics about how good people do after they leave frats. I have many friends in frats i loved partying with them I have no problem with frats. i do have a problem with douche bags, and ns frats kids have not done a good job making me think they are in non douchey frats.
 
You really think they give a fuck about their manners if they got mannors (lol puns)?

Manners are used to impress people of I higher class than you who can potentially offer you an opportunity. Those donors are already rich as fuck, so they're not showing off for anyone.
 
i realize this may be a dumb question being in Utah and all, but how drunk were these folks? And how formal was the event?

All bets are off when the drinks start flowing, and old buddies start reminiscing, ya know? haha.

How did it make you feel, honsetly, when you realized that you had better manners?

IDK bout you, but that would give me a little boost in confidence, especially being around an initially intimidating group of folks like that(generally succesful people are a blast to be around- their people skills are what makes them sucessful, duh!).
 
It definitely did. I felt a lot more relaxed once I realized I wouldn't be embarrassing myself. A fair amount of them were definitely quite inebriated haha but there were some that weren't that still just seemed not to give a shit.
 
It's because it's not worth arguing about when there will be 10 narrow-minded; potentially troll posts about Greek life for every post coming from someone who actually has experience in the matter besides the occasional run in with a Greek life member.
 
Frat life was good for me because it gave me what I wanted out of College. I was able to play any intramural sport I wanted, played soccer, football, volleyball, baseball, dodgeball, kickball, floor hockey, basketball, and weekend sports events. That was enough for me. But it also gave me the ability to go to parties when a bunch of people, get on a bus and go downtown, have a large group of people to tailgate with for football games, have friends who's door was always open to hang out.

Sure I encountered a lot of douchebags who were in frats, but I also encountered a lot of great people who weren't fuckheads and didn't treat other non frat life people like they were less than them. Sure there are going to be people who fit the stereotype, that's why the stereotype exists. But if you only believe that those are the types of people in frats, you won't give the quality person a chance to be anything but a frat star fuck.
 
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manipulation of statistics:comparing a much smaller, much wealthier (statistically) group of individuals (i.e. greeks) and their graduation rates to the rest of the student body is absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention the basements full of old tests located in many greek houses.
 
I didn't say "ALL" so nice try, and we both know that was the weaker argument I made, you've said nothing about the first part. I'm not against greek life, but those statistics are just skewed.
 
the biggest thing contributing to the high graduation rate is the expectations of the student and their families. the more succesful the family, the higher the expectation the student be succesful. conseuently that student usually lives up to the expectations.

BUT, another large contributing factor is that you more than likely have a bro who is in one of your classes, or who has taken that class. Its also pretty easy to see another girl/guy in one of your classes wearing their letters and strike up a convo and hold study sessions at different frats/sororities. I rearely had these for engineering classes, but it was a pretty cool deal to get together like 7 or 8 greek kids(guys and girls) from a bio, or history class and hold cram sessions in chapter rooms the night before midterms.

you are totally spot on with the rich/well to do call out though. Greeks usually come from well to do, succesful families who put a large emphasis on education and graduation. When you surround yourself with those types, you take on their attitude- meaning you start doing what it takes to get good grades and graduate also. Sure some guys are spoiled, pretentious douches, but so what? do you have to be homies with them? no. You just have to learn to deal with them...kinda like the real world haha. The vast majority have good heads on their shoulders though.

your friends are your biggest influence, so why wouldnt you want to hang around kids who place a huge emphasis on graduating, and being succesful?
 
so much this, my chapter is ridiculous in the emphasis we all put on our work. we all try to kick ass in school, and this shows in the co-ops and jobs my house gets after graduation. It's really awesome having so many wonderful resources at my fingertips.

Hate on Greek life all you folks want, but it's helping me succeed in life and get ahead in my goals.
 
i love how worked up NS gets over frats, does it really bother you guys that frat boys pay extra money for parties and shit?
 
Barring any stereotypes about frat culture, anything that involves waving a flag while chest-beating is grade-A douchebag behavior.
 
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