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jesus you get bent out of shape so easily when it comes to this shit. he didnt argue shit and you just cry endlessly about any post that doesnt agree with you. I bet over 50% of your posts are arguing with people in stupid political threads...even ones clearly reserved for conservatives expressing why they are conservative.
Inb4 READ THE FUCKING BOOK RAAAAAGGGGEEEEEE
Inb4 READ THE FUCKING BOOK RAAAAAGGGGEEEEEE
In this election, the Democrats continue to be the party of minorities. They destroyed the GOP on the vote share of hispanics, asians, blacks, etc. They are obvioulsy the "mom" party - we'll give you free health care and fund education and social programs, etc. They have, somehow, also managed to become the "dad" party - we know what we're doing in terms of foreign policy and the other guys are amateurish newbies who don't know how to deal with other nations. Who's the "morality" party? It's a wash at best for the GOP, because the majority of Americans think abortion should be legal and that some form of marriage or civil unions should be available for gays, and it's trending more in that direction than the other.
At this point all that's left is taking over the "It's the economy, stupid", mantle. And who's to say they can't do it? I would've thought they'd be able to do that more easily than take over as the "National Security" party, but here we are.
The Republicans need to overhaul their party or it won't even be viable in a few cycles. It needs to be less about fear and casting out difference than it has been, less about picking a group of people and demonizing them, and more about a bigger tent. Here's the best example: there is no good reason that a largely blue collar, religious, plainspoken traditionalist bloc like Hispanic voters should vote 70-30 against the GOP. The GOP platform should be enough all on its own to win that group. But they have actively alienated them with the "self-deportation", build-a-wall rhetoric. The new motto of the republican party should be "we're aiming to get every vote in the country", because right now, they're picking and choosing portions of the electorate to cast as the enemy.
David Simon says it well enough that I don't need to re-write:
Hard times are still to come for all of us. Rear guard actions will be fought at every political crossroad. But make no mistake: Change is a motherfucker when you run from it. And right now, the conservative movement in America is fleeing from dramatic change that is certain and immutable. A man of color is president for the second time, and this happened despite a struggling economic climate and a national spirit of general discontent. He has been returned to office over the specific objections of the mass of white men. He has instead been re-elected by women, by people of color, by homosexuals, by people of varying religions or no religion whatsoever. Behold the New Jerusalem. Not that there’s anything wrong with being a white man, of course. There’s nothing wrong with being anything. That’s the point.
This election marks a moment in which the racial and social hierarchy of America is upended forever. No longer will it mean more politically to be a white male than to be anything else. Evolve, or don’t. Swallow your resentments, or don’t. But the votes are going to be counted, more of them with each election. Arizona will soon be in play. And in a few cycles, even Texas. And those wishing to hold national office in these United States will find it increasingly useless to argue for normal, to attempt to play one minority against each other, to turn pluralities against the feared “other” of gays, or blacks, or immigrants, or, incredibly in this election cycle, our very wives and lovers and daughters, fellow citizens who demand to control their own bodies.
Regardless of what happens with his second term, Barack Obama’s great victory has already been won: We are all the other now, in some sense. Special interests? That term has no more meaning in the New America. We are all — all of us, every last American, even the whitest of white guys — special interests. And now, normal isn’t white or straight or Christian. There is no normal. That word, too, means less with every moment. And those who continue to argue for such retrograde notions as a political reality will become less germane and more ridiculous with every passing year.
At this point all that's left is taking over the "It's the economy, stupid", mantle. And who's to say they can't do it? I would've thought they'd be able to do that more easily than take over as the "National Security" party, but here we are.
The Republicans need to overhaul their party or it won't even be viable in a few cycles. It needs to be less about fear and casting out difference than it has been, less about picking a group of people and demonizing them, and more about a bigger tent. Here's the best example: there is no good reason that a largely blue collar, religious, plainspoken traditionalist bloc like Hispanic voters should vote 70-30 against the GOP. The GOP platform should be enough all on its own to win that group. But they have actively alienated them with the "self-deportation", build-a-wall rhetoric. The new motto of the republican party should be "we're aiming to get every vote in the country", because right now, they're picking and choosing portions of the electorate to cast as the enemy.
David Simon says it well enough that I don't need to re-write:
Hard times are still to come for all of us. Rear guard actions will be fought at every political crossroad. But make no mistake: Change is a motherfucker when you run from it. And right now, the conservative movement in America is fleeing from dramatic change that is certain and immutable. A man of color is president for the second time, and this happened despite a struggling economic climate and a national spirit of general discontent. He has been returned to office over the specific objections of the mass of white men. He has instead been re-elected by women, by people of color, by homosexuals, by people of varying religions or no religion whatsoever. Behold the New Jerusalem. Not that there’s anything wrong with being a white man, of course. There’s nothing wrong with being anything. That’s the point.
This election marks a moment in which the racial and social hierarchy of America is upended forever. No longer will it mean more politically to be a white male than to be anything else. Evolve, or don’t. Swallow your resentments, or don’t. But the votes are going to be counted, more of them with each election. Arizona will soon be in play. And in a few cycles, even Texas. And those wishing to hold national office in these United States will find it increasingly useless to argue for normal, to attempt to play one minority against each other, to turn pluralities against the feared “other” of gays, or blacks, or immigrants, or, incredibly in this election cycle, our very wives and lovers and daughters, fellow citizens who demand to control their own bodies.
Regardless of what happens with his second term, Barack Obama’s great victory has already been won: We are all the other now, in some sense. Special interests? That term has no more meaning in the New America. We are all — all of us, every last American, even the whitest of white guys — special interests. And now, normal isn’t white or straight or Christian. There is no normal. That word, too, means less with every moment. And those who continue to argue for such retrograde notions as a political reality will become less germane and more ridiculous with every passing year.
*Dos*Planker*
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Their are called libertarians
PhaedeD
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JD you are hitting it spot on as usually. What you said about the GOP party and needing a change is beyond true, I have been saying this since our last election.
I wish they could take more of a libertarian angle to there politics, it would really be a good thing for them. Picking better candidates wouldnt hurt either. You arent going to get the undecided voters to vote for some white multi-millionaire...its just not going to work. They look at Romney and see nothing that they are.
This is a stupid subject but still I think could be a very positive change for the GOP, LEGALIZING MARIJUANA. So the GOP claims to be all about states deciding things for themselves, here is a great example of that. They should run with this fuck they are all old white alcoholics anyways can they REAAALLLLLY say something bad about someone smoking a fucking joint, sure they will. They shouldnt though, they should run with this opportunity. Say, hey the state of Colorado decided on its own that it wants marijuana to be legal and we are ok with that. The state decided and they know whats best for them. I dunno you guys may or may not agree with me on this one but fuck even some guys on Fox News of all places were all about this.
I wish they could take more of a libertarian angle to there politics, it would really be a good thing for them. Picking better candidates wouldnt hurt either. You arent going to get the undecided voters to vote for some white multi-millionaire...its just not going to work. They look at Romney and see nothing that they are.
This is a stupid subject but still I think could be a very positive change for the GOP, LEGALIZING MARIJUANA. So the GOP claims to be all about states deciding things for themselves, here is a great example of that. They should run with this fuck they are all old white alcoholics anyways can they REAAALLLLLY say something bad about someone smoking a fucking joint, sure they will. They shouldnt though, they should run with this opportunity. Say, hey the state of Colorado decided on its own that it wants marijuana to be legal and we are ok with that. The state decided and they know whats best for them. I dunno you guys may or may not agree with me on this one but fuck even some guys on Fox News of all places were all about this.
Anti_Panda
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its such a stupid thing to be pissy about. Heres this piece of information that youve probably never heard of before and im going to whine and bitch about you not knowing whats in it.
PeppermillReno
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1st off Im still registered as a republican (because I own a business and am private sector over public sector) but some of you fuckbags better shut up or put up.
DON"T FUCKING DRIVE YOU HYPOCRITE IF YOU DON"T WANT TO TAKE TAXPAYER ROADS TAKE UR FUCKING HELICOPTER OR WALK! If you hate public servives that much I honestly hope you went to private schools your entire life and didn't leach off public schools.
2nd- If you are against free healthcare and you arent worth millions you're a fucking moron. You could get laid off at any minute and have serious health problems and become a poor bum on the street sucking dick to eat. So if you hate on "Obamacare" which Romney fucking started (and I proudly have being a MA resident despite having to travel for work and skiing) you're a fucking idiot.
3rd- the welfare poor minorities recieve is relatively little. 10x as much money got wasted bailing out the banks, 10x as much money got wasted in Iraq, more money gets wasted left and right. Just because you are fucking jealous of poor minorities who don't work while you grind out 10 bucks an hour after taxes doesn't mean they are fucking ruining you. Grow up.
Fact is we need the underclass. Our population would be shrinking if it wasn't for the minorities who breed for benefits. Middle class white people are not having kids. Most of the people on this forum are old enough to reproduce and I think most are not married and don't have kids. Society is changing. The poor underclass is a neccessity, and tough shit that a decent amount of them don't work and rely on the government.
Now I'll gladly go republican in the future if it makes sense to slash taxes (cutting taxes now won't spur growth they are very low as is and the loop holes are enourmous the corporations hide their money overseas) because as an economist I know the cause and effect that lowering high taxes would have. But the social issues republicans side with are disgusting.
What republicans need to do is cut out the motherfuckers who work in the public sector and earn a shitload. Thats all. Just thin out the wasteful motherfuckers who pick up a couple grand a week taxpayer money. Get some 20 year olds into do those jobs for 30k.
I am at heart a republican I think noone deserves to be rich if they work in the public sector. Period. Earn your fucking money like a man bitch. But I am not some bootlicker who doesn't see the value in giving poor people table scraps so we don't have 93 LA Riots scenes breaking out left and right (since they keep our population growing and provide societies janitors and mcdonalds workers). And I want a reasonable healthcare system (so that if my self employed ass breaks a leg skiing I don't lose everything I have.) I just hate high paid public sector employees and think they are scum u only deserve big paper if it doesn't come from taxpayers.
DON"T FUCKING DRIVE YOU HYPOCRITE IF YOU DON"T WANT TO TAKE TAXPAYER ROADS TAKE UR FUCKING HELICOPTER OR WALK! If you hate public servives that much I honestly hope you went to private schools your entire life and didn't leach off public schools.
2nd- If you are against free healthcare and you arent worth millions you're a fucking moron. You could get laid off at any minute and have serious health problems and become a poor bum on the street sucking dick to eat. So if you hate on "Obamacare" which Romney fucking started (and I proudly have being a MA resident despite having to travel for work and skiing) you're a fucking idiot.
3rd- the welfare poor minorities recieve is relatively little. 10x as much money got wasted bailing out the banks, 10x as much money got wasted in Iraq, more money gets wasted left and right. Just because you are fucking jealous of poor minorities who don't work while you grind out 10 bucks an hour after taxes doesn't mean they are fucking ruining you. Grow up.
Fact is we need the underclass. Our population would be shrinking if it wasn't for the minorities who breed for benefits. Middle class white people are not having kids. Most of the people on this forum are old enough to reproduce and I think most are not married and don't have kids. Society is changing. The poor underclass is a neccessity, and tough shit that a decent amount of them don't work and rely on the government.
Now I'll gladly go republican in the future if it makes sense to slash taxes (cutting taxes now won't spur growth they are very low as is and the loop holes are enourmous the corporations hide their money overseas) because as an economist I know the cause and effect that lowering high taxes would have. But the social issues republicans side with are disgusting.
What republicans need to do is cut out the motherfuckers who work in the public sector and earn a shitload. Thats all. Just thin out the wasteful motherfuckers who pick up a couple grand a week taxpayer money. Get some 20 year olds into do those jobs for 30k.
I am at heart a republican I think noone deserves to be rich if they work in the public sector. Period. Earn your fucking money like a man bitch. But I am not some bootlicker who doesn't see the value in giving poor people table scraps so we don't have 93 LA Riots scenes breaking out left and right (since they keep our population growing and provide societies janitors and mcdonalds workers). And I want a reasonable healthcare system (so that if my self employed ass breaks a leg skiing I don't lose everything I have.) I just hate high paid public sector employees and think they are scum u only deserve big paper if it doesn't come from taxpayers.
PeppermillReno
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PS- Being a dual citizen with American not my only nationality I love what Obama stands for abroad. It is great to not have an international hate figure running this country.
gotti
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I started reading the first page and found a fundamental mistake. Here is the quote.
"If restricting the supply of doctors raises the wages of
doctors, then all the non-doctors in the country are worse off"
This is making the assumption that the economy is essentially a zero sum, that by increasing the wages of somebody else, you are taking away from another's. The fact is is that this is not the case, the GDP growth of a country should average around 3% per for a healthy, stagnant economy. This directly correlates to job creation and increased wages. You cannot say that everybody else is going to be worse off when in fact everybody else has a fair opportunity to do better. I don't know if the book is based off of this assumption, but it already proves that some of what this guy says is fundamentally false.
"If restricting the supply of doctors raises the wages of
doctors, then all the non-doctors in the country are worse off"
This is making the assumption that the economy is essentially a zero sum, that by increasing the wages of somebody else, you are taking away from another's. The fact is is that this is not the case, the GDP growth of a country should average around 3% per for a healthy, stagnant economy. This directly correlates to job creation and increased wages. You cannot say that everybody else is going to be worse off when in fact everybody else has a fair opportunity to do better. I don't know if the book is based off of this assumption, but it already proves that some of what this guy says is fundamentally false.
JUST FOR REFERENCE, Conservatives, these are the types of people you need to make sure do NOT take over your party. Stop listening to them. Ignore them. They are bad for you.
http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html
http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html
Well, he is just a blogger, not anyone of significance. Surely, the Republican establishment realize they need to make some changes and accept that the electorate just isn't buying what they've been selling. I mean, it's not like mainstream GOP spokespeople are looking to burn all of their bridges and cast everyone who disagrees with them as bad people and spit venom at the other side and cast them as the enemy to be defeated immediately after a huge loss, right?
Right, Mary Matalin?
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... Oh for fuck's sake.
Right, Mary Matalin?
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... Oh for fuck's sake.
.MASSHOLE.
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Not quoting your post above this, but you really did hit it spot on.
I had to listen to two former top political journalists (Adam Clymer and Jon Margolis) and they basically agreed with what you stated above.
The GOP needs to reevaluate its stances on many things, or it may cease to exist in almost entirety. One even went to say that in the next election, AZ may be a battleground state, and in 2020, TX may become on as well.
And even though I am posting here, I am more of a libertarian than anything. The ONE voting issue I am really tossed up on is the whole immigration issue. I honestly dont know what to think. I think Obamacare is great in theory, but they went about it the wrong way. I agreed with letting states decide what they wanted to do.
I had to listen to two former top political journalists (Adam Clymer and Jon Margolis) and they basically agreed with what you stated above.
The GOP needs to reevaluate its stances on many things, or it may cease to exist in almost entirety. One even went to say that in the next election, AZ may be a battleground state, and in 2020, TX may become on as well.
And even though I am posting here, I am more of a libertarian than anything. The ONE voting issue I am really tossed up on is the whole immigration issue. I honestly dont know what to think. I think Obamacare is great in theory, but they went about it the wrong way. I agreed with letting states decide what they wanted to do.
Billiards.
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The ignorance in this post astonishes me. Questions:
How much money does unemployment give a person each month?
Do you understand there are social and class barriers blocking people from getting people back to work?
Do you understand that most of the people who need to collect unemployment do because they were laid off, fired, or were faced with other unfortunate circumstances?
How much money does unemployment give a person each month?
Do you understand there are social and class barriers blocking people from getting people back to work?
Do you understand that most of the people who need to collect unemployment do because they were laid off, fired, or were faced with other unfortunate circumstances?
Ac31stuff
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See you say "you cant call it conservative" when they support anti abortion and no birth control policies but being conservative (ignoring fiscall useses of the term i.e stingy) means that you want change to move at a slower pace and be stopped. Liberalism means that you want society to change faster, that is why civil rights, abortion and birthcontrol are issues on the left and being against those issues is on the right. I am not saying you can't be fiscally conservative without being socialy and governmentally conservative, what i'm saying is that being anti birth control is conservative. This is one of the main reasons i find my self on the left end of the spectrum. Being on the left has little to do with party (or at least used to have little to do with party) for example LIncoln, Bob Lofolete, and Gaylord Nelson, all Republicans and progressives who were not conservative but on the left.
accualyisdolan
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Libertarian. Best of both worlds
Stose
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Cause i earned my money and i dont want no government coming in and telling me what i can and cant do with it! But seriously it's mainly because I don't like how everything in life has to be equal with liberals, and I was raised in a conservative area. Mainly just because I agree with some social aspects of the liberals, but none of their economical stances
blackmamba.
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not if the govt has no power.
money power respect
money power respect
brosephstalin
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the private sector needs to get out of the way so the government can create more jobs
Stose
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sorry to double post, but it's funny you bring that up because today I read an article from a 1995 newspaper about how in 10 years the democrats were going to be extinct because their views were so out of line (they had only won 2 of the last 7 elections). Truly I don't think the republican party as we see it now will change very much at all in the next 4 years and they will still be fine.
GayWolf420
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Republicans would win If they just kept their mouths shut about all the important social issues and let the states decide what to do with them. I also don't believe certain social issues like abortion and religion should have any role in politics.
Billiards.
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this
andreweckels
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To all the people who fail the free market, what do you think about subsidizing big business and not holding business accountable for externalizing their costs on the public (air and water pollution)
And to all the people who claim social programs create dependency and reward laziness, how many times have you sat down with somebody who lives below the poverty line and listened to their life story?
And to all the people who claim social programs create dependency and reward laziness, how many times have you sat down with somebody who lives below the poverty line and listened to their life story?
Campeador
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She's arguing with a 9/11 conspiracy theory communist who has spent his entire life spitting venom and burning bridges, and somehow she's the radical one. You're right, if the Democrats can make hardline socialists and communists seem like level-headed people, then the Republicans are definitely doing something wrong. Or maybe Americans have just become that stupid.
.MASSHOLE.
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Difference is, the majority of voters used to be white people who favored the GOP stances, but in recent years, the majority has shrunk and values have changed. I think IF the GOP doesnt change, they wont stand a chance to win at all. They need to figure out if they want the Tea Party, or the moderate conservatives.
Awesome batshit whacko right wing bloggin there jd . Where's roor? I can totally see him gettin a big old woody reading that drivel.
I'm still laughin. The whole conservitive talk radio/faux news rove, beck, hanity, rush, ann coulter, palin and the rest of the rabble rousing orielly retards and the fact that so many conservitives eat that shit up and need to keep hearing and being reaffermed that 24/7 and murica's wrong we're right and we're angry. Where as us liberals are content doing our thing and coming home getting irrie and watching colbert/stewart make the conservitive right look the goofy whacked out nutcases they are.
What's funny is rich folks wasting 50k to have lunch with Mitt and listen to him diss on 1/2 the population but try and close their tax loopholes or ask that they contribute a bit more or enact campaign finance reform, term limits or the sad political system of lobbyist with pockets full of "donations" and omg we're greece or the classic "our founding fathers" shizz ,constitution, Ayn Rand said blah blah blah.
I'm a liberal but see the need for fiscal reform, but the rest of the nutjob religious right, tea party trying to cram your moralities, homophobic and pro life, war on drugs, big business/ wall st fat cats, envoirmental havoc reaking adgenda down on everyone elses throat isn't gonna fly and the election results speak to this.
Fkna classic, in an effort to remove UT only dem congressional representitive the gop gerrymandered his district adopted Mia Love as their new media sweetheart and face of the new conservitive gop, dumped 5 mill of superpac (rich conservative angry white men) $$$ and let her run on the conservaitive right wing tea party, eliminate the department of edjucation, privitize social security, close our borders etc. platform and the conservitive bout as red as it gets with a mo homeboy at the top of the ticket people of zion still sent a bluedog dem back to congress rather than her.
Personally I'd like to see a flat or more consumption based tax that rewards the middle class, people who live simply, grow their own food, have a smaller carbon footprint, volunteer for good causes, rewarded and those who need to surround themselves with more material belongings like multiple houses, cars, penis extention boats etc to be happy, pay more.
I hope you young conservitives gopers don't wake up, continue to refuse to look inside of what's wrong with your party and keep pushing it farther to the right, and keep listening to your babblin idiot media figure heads tell you you're right and the majority of the rest of the countries wrong and keep wasting your time posting on the interwebz about how hard your p's work, how stressful makin bank is and how unfair sharin the wealth is and how fucked we are cause that will certainly fix your broken grand old party and bring you success in 2016 and the future
I'm still laughin. The whole conservitive talk radio/faux news rove, beck, hanity, rush, ann coulter, palin and the rest of the rabble rousing orielly retards and the fact that so many conservitives eat that shit up and need to keep hearing and being reaffermed that 24/7 and murica's wrong we're right and we're angry. Where as us liberals are content doing our thing and coming home getting irrie and watching colbert/stewart make the conservitive right look the goofy whacked out nutcases they are.
What's funny is rich folks wasting 50k to have lunch with Mitt and listen to him diss on 1/2 the population but try and close their tax loopholes or ask that they contribute a bit more or enact campaign finance reform, term limits or the sad political system of lobbyist with pockets full of "donations" and omg we're greece or the classic "our founding fathers" shizz ,constitution, Ayn Rand said blah blah blah.
I'm a liberal but see the need for fiscal reform, but the rest of the nutjob religious right, tea party trying to cram your moralities, homophobic and pro life, war on drugs, big business/ wall st fat cats, envoirmental havoc reaking adgenda down on everyone elses throat isn't gonna fly and the election results speak to this.
Fkna classic, in an effort to remove UT only dem congressional representitive the gop gerrymandered his district adopted Mia Love as their new media sweetheart and face of the new conservitive gop, dumped 5 mill of superpac (rich conservative angry white men) $$$ and let her run on the conservaitive right wing tea party, eliminate the department of edjucation, privitize social security, close our borders etc. platform and the conservitive bout as red as it gets with a mo homeboy at the top of the ticket people of zion still sent a bluedog dem back to congress rather than her.
Personally I'd like to see a flat or more consumption based tax that rewards the middle class, people who live simply, grow their own food, have a smaller carbon footprint, volunteer for good causes, rewarded and those who need to surround themselves with more material belongings like multiple houses, cars, penis extention boats etc to be happy, pay more.
I hope you young conservitives gopers don't wake up, continue to refuse to look inside of what's wrong with your party and keep pushing it farther to the right, and keep listening to your babblin idiot media figure heads tell you you're right and the majority of the rest of the countries wrong and keep wasting your time posting on the interwebz about how hard your p's work, how stressful makin bank is and how unfair sharin the wealth is and how fucked we are cause that will certainly fix your broken grand old party and bring you success in 2016 and the future
blackmamba.
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ok...and who finances these jobs? the federal reserve or the people? either way, it digs you deeper into the ground.
I'm generally shocked at this attitude. This is really how your side wants to react to the results of the last two elections? Bile and venom? Not self-examination and repair? In 1988 the democratic party was completely screwed, they needed a new direction to re-align with the electorate, and they managed it (somehow) in four short years, rallying around Slick Willie. It's the GOP's turn to figure this out, because the demographics aren't getting better for them, they're getting worse.
You (and not you specifically so much as the ideological right wing) can spit all the venom you want and lose by greater and greater margins going forward or you can address the problem with your party. And there is a problem. Alec Baldwin summed it up - you know your party's got issues when someone asks you if they rape guy won, and you have to ask, "which one?"
It will not be easy to do, and it will take time, so it might be a good idea to get started with that.
You (and not you specifically so much as the ideological right wing) can spit all the venom you want and lose by greater and greater margins going forward or you can address the problem with your party. And there is a problem. Alec Baldwin summed it up - you know your party's got issues when someone asks you if they rape guy won, and you have to ask, "which one?"
It will not be easy to do, and it will take time, so it might be a good idea to get started with that.
uosdwiSrjewoH
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sorry, wait, did you just imply that jack layton and the ndp conservative?
Social and class barriers BLOCKING people from getting back to work?? really? sorry thats not a fucking excuse. what about my friend who moved here from Brazil at 18 with zero money, no highschool education, spoke no english, went to Alabama of all places because he didnt know better, and worked shit jobs until he had enough work experience to get better jobs, eventually started his own business and now is making hundreds of thousands a year in his late 20's? he could have made the excuse for a social or class "barrier" but he didnt. its not a barrier, its refusal to work jobs that arent pleasant. but if you have an education, or the work experience, thats what you have to do, you might have to work for minimum wage at a crappy job until you have enough experience to get a better job and work your way up.
i grew up in a shitty neighborhood in chicago, and witnessed the excuses inner city people made for not working, its bullshit. people would live off unemployment, welfare and food stamps because we make it so damn easy to do so. and you can do it pretty comfortably.
I work right now with these people that collect unemployment because they were fired. I see it all the fucking time, someone starts working, and slowly starts to do less and less and do a shittier job, missing work, pissing people off, until they get fired so they can collect unemployment and work the system. and whats worse, if you're any race but white, it makes it sooooo much easier, you threaten to pull the race card and you are fucking set.
Now, all this mean heartless stuff being said, i do realize that sometimes people just get screwed, fall into a bad situation, etc.. and in those cases im 100% for social programs to help them get back on their feet. we shouldnt have homeless families and people starving in America, im completely fine with my tax dollars going to those people.
but im sick of the hardcore liberal thinking that all poor people work really hard to get out of the situation they're in, and they just have bad luck and get taken advantage of by rich greedy business owners. I honestly dont think I can remember one person i knew in my neighborhood who was living off welfare or unemployment who was out looking for jobs or trying to get out of their situation.
its this refusal to look down upon someone who's poor, or accuse someone of being lazy just because it seems wrong or non PC to do so. but its totally fine to bitch and moan about how the rich take advantage of everyone or assume they just fell into their money, or only got their cause they all have rich parents. its when being nice or politically correct inhibits peoples ability to use common sense.
i grew up in a shitty neighborhood in chicago, and witnessed the excuses inner city people made for not working, its bullshit. people would live off unemployment, welfare and food stamps because we make it so damn easy to do so. and you can do it pretty comfortably.
I work right now with these people that collect unemployment because they were fired. I see it all the fucking time, someone starts working, and slowly starts to do less and less and do a shittier job, missing work, pissing people off, until they get fired so they can collect unemployment and work the system. and whats worse, if you're any race but white, it makes it sooooo much easier, you threaten to pull the race card and you are fucking set.
Now, all this mean heartless stuff being said, i do realize that sometimes people just get screwed, fall into a bad situation, etc.. and in those cases im 100% for social programs to help them get back on their feet. we shouldnt have homeless families and people starving in America, im completely fine with my tax dollars going to those people.
but im sick of the hardcore liberal thinking that all poor people work really hard to get out of the situation they're in, and they just have bad luck and get taken advantage of by rich greedy business owners. I honestly dont think I can remember one person i knew in my neighborhood who was living off welfare or unemployment who was out looking for jobs or trying to get out of their situation.
its this refusal to look down upon someone who's poor, or accuse someone of being lazy just because it seems wrong or non PC to do so. but its totally fine to bitch and moan about how the rich take advantage of everyone or assume they just fell into their money, or only got their cause they all have rich parents. its when being nice or politically correct inhibits peoples ability to use common sense.
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I'm a conservative because once I was old enough to understand (age 12ish) my grandfather sat me down and told me something I'll never forget. He immigrated to the US from communist czechloslovakia and told me "I came to the United States with 100 dollars in my pocket hoping for a better life. In slovakia, I never even had a toilet, I lived in a shack, there was 12 of our family stuffed in a room. The government stole from us. Once I got to the United States, I knew something was better. I worked hard and actually got rewarded for the fruits of my labor. The American dream is a great thing and don't ever let anyone else destroy it. Hard work is the best thing possible, don't ever come out of something looking back knowing you didn't work as hard as you can, always strive as hard as you can."
Taking from this lesson, I've realized that the American Dream still very exists but is threatened everyday by socialist Obama and his cronies and czars. America will be in bad shape in four years, watch and learn. I'm no crazy conservative that thinks homosexuality is a sin and pregnancy from rape happens because god wants it to, but I am no doubt fiscally conservative and I'd consider myself socially moderate learning towards conservative.
I've seen proof of the American dream in my family itsself, todays liberals' american dream is for everybody to make the same amount of money by rewarding the lazy.
Taking from this lesson, I've realized that the American Dream still very exists but is threatened everyday by socialist Obama and his cronies and czars. America will be in bad shape in four years, watch and learn. I'm no crazy conservative that thinks homosexuality is a sin and pregnancy from rape happens because god wants it to, but I am no doubt fiscally conservative and I'd consider myself socially moderate learning towards conservative.
I've seen proof of the American dream in my family itsself, todays liberals' american dream is for everybody to make the same amount of money by rewarding the lazy.
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If Romney spends that money, then he is giving it back you fucking child