North America to be Destroyed

As one of the biggest oil producers in the world, BP is not a price taker. If BP were to incur significant costs, the price of oil will inflate. Not to mention the effect it would have on the oil market in general.
 
Firstly, let me start off by re-iterating something here…. BP is NOT British Petroleum, and hasn’t been for some considerable time now….

Secondly, this was BP America…. And I’m sorry to say, but however you look at this, and however Fox news want to portray it, this was an American accident in American Waters…. In no different way then if Exxon or Chevron fuck up… which they obviously both have done in American Waters also (which is why most now have E and P operations far away from the Fox News Centre now…).

BP America is made up of mostly ex Amoco people, that’s how BP established themselves here by buying Amoco… unfortunately in my opinion, Amoco employed mostly window licking retards… .but anyway, that’s just my opinion….

Ok so, moving on…

Sit rep is that Top Kill will go ahead some time this week – again, Tony Hayward is being very transparent, and I can honestly say, there isn’t much I know about that you guys cannot learn from the BP website (really is the most honest source of info, and I mean that… I’ve stopped watching all news or reading anything on this now coming out of the media as it’s all so wrong, as the OP post proves… I mean c’mon, there is ridiculous and then there is this….)

The problem with Top Kill here is that it’s a one shot pony…. Onshore it’s easily done, Tasche will know about that, but at 5000 ft… well, it’s tricky… real tricky, so they’re not rushing it… at all, and making sure they get it right. They’re predicted a 60-70% chance of total success in killing the well.

I want to offer up a small bit of reassurance here though, for what it’s worth…. The Oil we’re talking about here, is super sweet light crude, which effectively is why it appears brown, that’s a good thing trust me, you will NOT be seeing those sh*tty scenes like with Valdez of black thick sludgy water., glooping onto beaches… look at some of the aerial shots of vessels steaming through it, dispersing it to see clear blue beneath – what happens is because the oil is so light, many of the lighter fractions just evaporate off, and you’re left with a minority of heavier fractions, a lot of which form balls of tar and sink… you’re then left with the chemically stable and resilient middle fractions that are what you see – this is good news for clean up, because it’s a smaller chemistry envelope to deal with…. Anyway, just wanted to put that there as there is also a fair amount of gas too… which you can see by the enteprises flare boom from the siphon pipe operation.

A friend just came back from offshore, and told me of how they’d had to do the ROV survey of the Horizon that is now on the seafloor over a mile down. He described it as spooky…. The rig is upside down, it’s pontoons have collapsed obviously due to passing the crush depth from pressure…. But he described the seafloor as being littered with drill pipe, containers, and even Documentation, procedures and things just lieing there in the mud… that must have been pretty eerie.

Anyway, in parallel we are working on many different options and back ups etc… as well as clean up and remediation. As for the microbial solution to cleaning up the oil, im not sure of the details, and it would be best employed in the difficult marshlands… remember these microorganisms do not photosynthesize, they are Chemosynthetic, and in layman’s terms, they eat oil for energy… millions of these amazing ecosystems exist in the deepest waters of the worlds oceans feeding on all sorts – not just the national geographic Black Smoker things you see… but also on hydrocarbon seepage etc… from natural gas vents, mud volcanoes etc, where oil and gas naturally vent at the seafloor … ironically, some of these are not dissimilar to what you see on the seabed at Maconda (Horizon location)….

Right, that’s me had lunch, I gotta get back to it….

Laters…
 
Oh and back to the OP's post...

It's not pumping out 53,000 bbls/day.... (2.9million gallons) holy fuck that would be the greatest production well ever!!!!

at peak production rates (typically like year 5 or so of operation for example) a single well in the Deepwater GoM that is producing at an incredible rate is knocking out 20-25,000 bbls a day on average- when fully completed and prodcuing through a fully engineering and installed subsea system.... so where those numbers came from, i have no idea... but I LOL'd.....
 
There were a lot of great people at Amoco when BP took over, they left, but a lot of good people worked there.

I have no idea how they are going to top kill this well. Top killing requires putting heavy density "mud" in the fluid column that puts a hydrostatic load on the formation thus stopping the flow. Its all hydrostatic pressure with oil and gas wells. Water is .433 psi per foot and salt is heavier. You can mix other chemicals in and use oil based muds to get the density much higher. Remember this well is flowing easily against a mile of salt water. Any well with this type of pressure is considered over pressured because it does not conform to a typical .433 psi/ft gradient.

Typically a kick is controlled by circulating high density fluid down drill pipe or tubing and back up the annulus. In this situation there is no drill pipe and the casing has been compromised so there is no usable annulus. So you have to top kill the well which means putting high density fluid at high pressure directly into the well head or BOP in this situation. The problem here is that there is no pressure containment, that is the well is flowing out of multiple zones in the riser. As soon as you start pumping the heavy fluid it is just going to flow the easiest path and out the riser. I don't know how they are going to try and control where the fluid goes and frankly, as I have said in the other thread, the only way to kill this well will be to drill a relief well. I heard from a BP guy that they are currently drilling 2 relief wells in case on fails but they will probably not be done for at least another month. Look for this situation to get exponentially worse as time goes on. Although this article is obviously false it could hold some truth. We will be seeing the environmental impact for generations to come.

Also suing BP for everything they are worth will not inflate oil prices, BP is a multinational company that has a heavy presence in the US and is not a foreign oil company, Sara Palin is a cunt.
 
I understand your position of knowledge, you also have to understand ours. No matter what you say, no matter what color oil this is (sludgy or not), this is extremely detrimental to a lot of wildlife and possibly people. Anytime you have a foreign substance that has the capability to eliminate such a wide area of life there is a major crisis. There is simply nothing around that.

My main qualm with this is corporate responsibility. You are telling us to check a website who's main goal is to eliminate the most damage done to their reputation via inconclusive statements and confusing wording? I'm sorry but any company that you work for is obviously going to lean your bias, it is apparent you do so too. While the media definitely blows things out of proportion, we cannot simply eat the words that BP says too. These are not inherent facts, merely skewed numbers to best benefit the reputation of the corporation.

If this was a government-owned accident Sarah Palin would automatically call for the elimination of whatever branch deemed responsibility for the foul up. The hypocrisy here kills me. BP obviously needs to pay for the entirety of the clean up and for the restoration of damaged fields. Anything and anyone who is affected should be reimbursed. There's no way around it. Just because a corporation is meerly an embodiment of a person and not technically one doesn't mean it can't be held responsible for all the actions it has undertaken.
 
Bp will pay for absolutely everything and reimburse everyone - there is a total commitment to that.

Bp isn't a seperate entitiy to reality, it's made up of people like me and Tasche etc... we feel just as bad about this sh*t as you, and so does everybody at BP - trust me, there really is no cover up going on.... from the war room, to offshore, i can tell you now what you hear is what is happening... wether it be good or bad... all you will see from Bp is the facts of the situation. Why are they trying to pull the wool over everyones eyes? To stop them from not buying petrol from their gas stations? well, that wouldn't make much of an impact on their oil production or sales to be honest. They genuinely feel terrible about this from top to bottom, and i can tell you from experience, Tony Hayward is super pissed off.... but all he wants is this stopped... have you any idea of the astronomical cost they are throwing at this a day? They could probably achieve killing the well with half of it, but they have pulled everyone off projects and put them in the IMT (Incident Management Team) and i mean pretty much everyone....

They really couldn't be doing any more - it is what it is, and they're trying to work it out as quickly as possible.

There are actually 2 relief wells being drilled..... in total there is 2 drill rigs offshore, big transocean semi's, a drill ship (enterprise that is taking the siphoned oil and gas) and a top kill rig... then there is approximately 5 construction vessels and 7 support vessels then a shit tonne of supply vessels. Each construction vessel has 2 ROV's that are all in the water constantly pretty much, same with the support vessels... it's the craziest operation i've ever seen offshore.

Nobody is pulling the wool over anyones eyes - and i think Bp's website is a little more honest as a source of information then Fox News... they cannot even get names and terminology right for a starter.

Tasche, sorry dude, I just had a few bad experiences with some ex amoco guys and just wasn't impressed - alot seem to be waiting at Bp for their pensions to mature or whatever...

But yeah, they're going to try and top kill by going back in through the BOP and reversing flow through it's current leak path to down hole... it's a hellluva difficult operation....
 
There is so much wrong with this article I don't even know where to start....

First, get a real source - you can't seriously be putting that forward as legit. Also check "The Onion" for legit news, right?

Second, their explanations of environmental impact are contradictory and even someone in an entry level Enviro program would recognize it.

Third, how many fucking times are we going to hear about this spill....leave it alone until there is something new to say.
 
I recommend everyone goes to the bp homepage then to the actual GoM response homepage- a load of really cool stuff there explaining all the plans, and explaining terminology- like what is top kill etc and how they plan to do it... Personally (remember I'm not bp staff!!) I think it's pretty awesome the amount of information they're putting in the public domain here- remember Valdez had nothing like this and it took them a week to even make a public statement. I know it's a shitty situation, but that homepage has all the info to keep up to date, and I swear it is factual and transparent. Yes everyone knows oil is pissing into the ocean, but hopefully this will offer some education and elightenment to what is going on to fix this right now. It's more useful then me anyway!!
 
It's true. It's not like BP is sitting on a couch trying to pump as much oil into the ocean as they can, they are trying everything they can think of. The spill doesn't benefit them at all (neither in the money they are losing at a crazy rate right now or in their public appearance), and they already realize the effect of their breach of safety. Pointing fingers at this point is both redundant and childish, and frankly it's just proving to be straight ignorant in 9 cases out of 10.

If you don't understand the problem (aka - you get your info from the news instead of your degree or professional education), you should probably read a book and learn or just sit back and wait until there is something you can comment on that you understand.

Peer reviewed journal articles are great sources to gain some insight into these solution attempts, and you can find a lot on Google.

I'm not trying to downplay the economic and environmental effects of the spill, but no progress is made by writing repetitive "BP sucks" news articles and describing how bad the spill is at every waking second.
 
its a free market. if another company is offering oil at a lower cost than thats where they will buy. then bp will have to decide to stay the course or lower their prices to compete.

you're talking like bp is opec.
 
i think we'd have better luck with him...

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look at the sheen on that dome. he could repurpose the oil to maintain his mane during his legal battles.

 
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