Non metal charging twin tips?

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yungskigga

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what are other skis in the mid 100 width range that are chargy but dont have metal in them. can only think of movement fly 105 and black crows atris. any other good alternatives?
 
M-Free 108

ARV 106

Sego Comp 104 (it has a little bit of metal in it but its really pleasant and isnt demanding at all)
 
Kind of a niche area but Jeffreys are good, and I'd throw the Deathwish 104 in there as well - if we're talking full twin.
 
14526096:maaattt said:
Fast as fuck while still being a real fun ski to play with
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100% agree. Favorite ski I've been on in years. Super maneuverable in tight places, bumps, etc. but you can put them on absolute rails when you want to. Feel super balanced in the air too.
 
14526445:YoungChristmas said:
100% agree. Favorite ski I've been on in years. Super maneuverable in tight places, bumps, etc. but you can put them on absolute rails when you want to. Feel super balanced in the air too.
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fwiw, should add I was on ARV 106's for a few seasons. Also a dope ski, but not as chargy. They're cap wall so they have a flex point towards the tip where the sidewall ends. This makes them a little more playful and flex into a nice butter, but sometimes they can fold when you're going fast in chop. Not to say you can't go mach 5 on them, but it's not a ski where you want to be driving the shovels through choppy or bumpy snow.
 
misfit 106 - as long as you're not a super backseat skier these things can charge way harder than they should while still being playful

(also I hear tails will be a little stiffer and slightly less rockered next season)
 
Are you looking at only full twin tip? If you don’t mind a semi tail the moment commander 108 is a beast charger without the metal of the 98. Also the new countach 110 is a wildcat/commander blend with no metal. So super charger as well. Commander 108 is available now. Should have blems up for sale soon.

countach will be in the 23/24 season drop.
 
14527401:PartyBullshiit said:
Are you looking at only full twin tip? If you don’t mind a semi tail the moment commander 108 is a beast charger without the metal of the 98. Also the new countach 110 is a wildcat/commander blend with no metal. So super charger as well. Commander 108 is available now. Should have blems up for sale soon.

countach will be in the 23/24 season drop.
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Commander 108 has metal, Countach 110 does not.
 
14527514:PartyBullshiit said:
Ah ok. For some reason I thought re 108 was a no metal wider 98. Thanks for clearing that up
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Way back there was a 98, 108, 118 that all had metal and a 124 that didn't have metal, so I can see where the Commander confusion could come from.
 
2 weeks ago, I hit 60mph on my Mango 100's and they were doing great. Jeff's from my feeling are a bit stiffer even than that.
 
14527562:hot.pocket said:
Way back there was a 98, 108, 118 that all had metal and a 124 that didn't have metal, so I can see where the Commander confusion could come from.
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Was the non metal version one of the owl schemes drops? I think I saw this ski in person years ago which is what I must have been thinking of.
 
14527587:PartyBullshiit said:
Was the non metal version one of the owl schemes drops? I think I saw this ski in person years ago which is what I must have been thinking of.
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Correct, the owl scheme was the second year of the Commander (final year before the redesign) and was the largest run with 4 widths.
 
14527595:hot.pocket said:
Correct, the owl scheme was the second year of the Commander (final year before the redesign) and was the largest run with 4 widths.
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Totally remember these skis now. For some reason I thought when you downsized the line the 108 became the non wood wider version. But maybe I was confusing myself even more with the countach then. Since it’s a cat/comm hybrid with no metal.

I believe I saw a set of the old commander 124 in the shop a week or 2 ago during a tour. May be crazy.
 
14527596:PartyBullshiit said:
I believe I saw a set of the old commander 124 in the shop a week or 2 ago during a tour. May be crazy.
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We had one mounted up for a recent AK trip, so that's probably what you saw.
 
14528328:PartyBullshiit said:
That thing is a soft noodle. Nothing charging about it. I was shocked how it got pushed around in crud.

the 110 was more impressive. Still not great.
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As a lightweight I can charge it, I rode the 188 so it's more stable.
 
14526446:YoungChristmas said:
fwiw, should add I was on ARV 106's for a few seasons. Also a dope ski, but not as chargy. They're cap wall so they have a flex point towards the tip where the sidewall ends. This makes them a little more playful and flex into a nice butter, but sometimes they can fold when you're going fast in chop. Not to say you can't go mach 5 on them, but it's not a ski where you want to be driving the shovels through choppy or bumpy snow.
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Moment Wildcat 108

Moment Countach 110 (not a true twin, but not super far off)

Dynastar M-Free 108

Rossi Sender Free 110

Sego Big Horn 106 (if you can find one)

J Skis Hotshot (quite damp but fairly soft)

Line Blade Optic 104 (similar story as Hotshot)

Nordica Enforcer 104 or 110

Some of those have some metal, but metal is just an ingredient, not necessarily a defining factor. Nowadays you can find skis with metal layers that are super light and not damp, others that are soft and surfy, and others that still meet the historic cliche of a 'metal ski' in terms of damping, stiffness, and edge hold. Then there are a whole bunch that fall between.

If you liked the ARV 106 but mostly want something you can drive a bit harder in chop, I'd lean toward the M-Free 108 (but only really the 192 cm; shorter ones aren't that stable), Sender Free, or Wildcat 108. Countach if you want something stiffer but still not sluggish. Blade Optic 104 and Hotshot are sweet if you want a very damp ski that's still very easy to bend and slash around, but they might be too soft if the ARV 106 wasn't supportive enough to you in chop.
 
14528484:patagonialuke said:
Moment Wildcat 108

Moment Countach 110 (not a true twin, but not super far off)

Dynastar M-Free 108

Rossi Sender Free 110

Sego Big Horn 106 (if you can find one)

J Skis Hotshot (quite damp but fairly soft)

Line Blade Optic 104 (similar story as Hotshot)

Nordica Enforcer 104 or 110

Some of those have some metal, but metal is just an ingredient, not necessarily a defining factor. Nowadays you can find skis with metal layers that are super light and not damp, others that are soft and surfy, and others that still meet the historic cliche of a 'metal ski' in terms of damping, stiffness, and edge hold. Then there are a whole bunch that fall between.

If you liked the ARV 106 but mostly want something you can drive a bit harder in chop, I'd lean toward the M-Free 108 (but only really the 192 cm; shorter ones aren't that stable), Sender Free, or Wildcat 108. Countach if you want something stiffer but still not sluggish. Blade Optic 104 and Hotshot are sweet if you want a very damp ski that's still very easy to bend and slash around, but they might be too soft if the ARV 106 wasn't supportive enough to you in chop.
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Do you think the Wildcat 108 is in the same class for "drive harder in chop" as the M-Free and the Sender Free? Looks light in the specs, but seems like in the 190 length a lot of Moment skis are chargier than you'd expect for their weight.
 
14530515:blueberrypaladin said:
Do you think the Wildcat 108 is in the same class for "drive harder in chop" as the M-Free and the Sender Free? Looks light in the specs, but seems like in the 190 length a lot of Moment skis are chargier than you'd expect for their weight.
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Depends on the snow consistency. In heavy chop bordering on crud, I prefer the heavier 192 M-Free and Sender Free since they don't get knocked around quite as much, but in lower-density chop like we often get in CO, they're not super different since the Wildcat has the stiffness to let you drive it through less dense snow. But if you want a very damp ride, I'd go with something heavier than the Wildcat 108.
 
14530519:patagonialuke said:
Depends on the snow consistency. In heavy chop bordering on crud, I prefer the heavier 192 M-Free and Sender Free since they don't get knocked around quite as much, but in lower-density chop like we often get in CO, they're not super different since the Wildcat has the stiffness to let you drive it through less dense snow. But if you want a very damp ride, I'd go with something heavier than the Wildcat 108.
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Makes sense. Similar stability on bigger landings, or do the heavy guys stand out?
 
14530546:blueberrypaladin said:
Makes sense. Similar stability on bigger landings, or do the heavy guys stand out?
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I wouldn’t say I notice a significant difference, but I’m also rarely hitting anything over 20 ft. But to me, flex pattern and rocker profile are bigger factors than weight when it comes to landings, and the three are fairly similar in those regards
 
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