no more ski companies.

mommy

mommy

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honestly, its getting gay. it should have stopped at armada. you guys arnt doing anything new. everybody makes a crappy 180cm twintip and thinks there 'MAD ILL UNDERGROUND TIZZITE YO'. unless your doing something new like making a 210cm twin or a tripplet tipped ski, just CANCEL YOUR RESERVATIONS IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW. hallo?

 
Dude all the ski companys are good for skiing. I think they are anyway I would like to see 20 more companys.

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Does saying that you like big skis all the time make you feel like a big man? Cause I don't think anyone really gives two shits.

 
Im with slipknot.. Its good for skiing..

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And on another note all the skier owned companies are good for the sport so if you don't like their product just ignore them. They actually care about the growth of skiing as a whole, they aren't just money hungry corporate hot shots, and they're just like any of us that truly love skiing. It's better than back in the day when nothing at all was skier owned.

 
I don't know, i'm with mommy on this one. I find it really hard to believe that all these skis are better than everything else or even that different. You can only do so much to a ski, and i think that the 20 or so big name companies that exist already are plenty. The only thing it's doing is getting all kinds of brands on skiers and, i guess in theory, lowering the prices and increasing competition.

-Jason
 
the more companies the better. then there is more competition and prices go down, we live in a great market economy

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^there already out, you can pick them up at walmart or k mart, there called saucers. just gotta mount bindings on them somehow...

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true. Nothing is saying we have to buy from these companies. We all can stick with K2 or Salomon, but, if these companies starting getting competitive, our skis from the main brands will lower in price. So, as anoying as it gets sometimes, it will help the industry.

-Jason
 
i agree with mommy. i hate having the option to choose from more than 2 ski companies

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it isnt a matter of more ski companies to choose from, but rather more pairs of skis that are not sold each year, but rather sit on the sale racks in shops at the end of the year. When skis dont sell, prices cannot decrese because of the amount of fixed costs involved. The twin tip market is estimated 8% (growing from 6% last season) of all ski sales nationwide.

Oh, while we are on numbers, the intermediate skiers and the rental market make up 55% of ski sales. If all these new ski companies are going to try an make it big in this industry, they better find a way to appeal to the entire ski market, and not mearly less than 10% of it.

By the way, snowboarding makes up about 30% of the ski industry in financial terms.

just some thoughts

Somtimes I just like to sit back and allow all the ignorant people in this world easily ammuse me. Other times they just piss me off.

 
i know a lot of kids are sayin armada and 4frnt are so much better than other companies just cause they're core or whatever. this may be true, and it may not be, thier skis may be the best on the market right now, i dont know, never skied either. but unless they have lower prices, the bigger companies arent gonna have lower prices either. and personally, i havew no problems whatsoever with big companies like salomon and k2, they are obviously both interested in progressing our sport, or why would they bother totally redesigning their skis?

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When will a ski company finally get the balls to produce The Snack in volume?

It's just about impossible to find a pair of 'Snacks these days... :(

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I kinda agree with mommy. Everyone is making the same size skis, so what makes them different from others. If i started a ski company, id try to get a park ski out that is at least a 185. I hate being 6'2, and not being able to get a park ski the size i want. And i know there are plenty of kids out there who feel the same way. New ski companies should make different sizes to distuingish themselves. if that make sense.

VIVA LA FRONTFLIP!
 
if snowboard companies can commit to producing freeride specific boards, and profit...so can ski co's. and regardless of the money issue...the new co's are started by people like us...not fat rich CEO's in suits looking for the next big business deal to add to their portfolios. who do you have more in common with?

 
i really dont mmind for all the ski companys we have right now, but as some1 said before ther is only so much u can do to a ski before u can do no more, i dont mind them but there are so many skis that are all alike out right now

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its good with all the new companys i just hope that they will have great standard on there skis like the more well known companys

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Justo: core or rider owned companies care a lot more about the sport then big corps, do u really think the head of salomon gives a shit about progressing skiing?

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^moron. of course salomon cares about progressing skiing. let's take a look at the 1080, pocket rocket and 1080 boot. those three products alone have probably received more development and research time than any other newschool product from any company, including armada, 4frnt and others.

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the more companies, the cheaper the ski, i like more companies

The only tent i'm pitchin tonite is... well you get where i'm goin.... OH! (Quagmire)

Frontflips are lame

Lets hear it for fat chicks!

 
the more companies, the cheaper the ski, i like more companies

The only tent i'm pitchin tonite is... well you get where i'm goin.... OH! (Quagmire)

Frontflips are lame

Lets hear it for fat chicks!

 
all the ski companies should combine to make one, therefore theres no competition and all mad profit according to my theory. And they can make a really sweet line of skis. There I solved everything you assmonkeys.

Thankyou.

-Pat
 
I think mommy just likes to start stuff on the site. ever noticed all his post make people mad

Ski Fast and Stay Away From the Trees
 
More companies = more supply = less demand, thus price of skis drop (yay!) but its going to get to a point where there are to many ski companies offering a product that is relatively similar to the next company, thus when making a purchase decision on skis, the price becomes a more important factor instead of the product attributes/quality. Because of this, smaller 'rider owned' companies will have to lower the prices of their skis to compete with larger companies like salomon, to do this they'll have to sacrifice the quality of their product by using cheaper materials and skimping on technology. At this stage, these 'rider owned' companies are not progressing the sport, rather putting out cheap-ass products, eventually they wont be able to compete with the larger companies and they'll have to drop out of the market. Once all the smaller 'rider owned' companies have dropped out, all thats left are the big companies like salomon, k2. Now we're back to square one, except this time the more corporate companies are larger, have a bigger market base and will be harder to compete against = high priced ski stuff

SO, no more 'rider owned' companies, they are good and i'm all for the concept of built by skiers for skiers, but in such a small segement can't accomodate so many companies. There line, armada, 4frnt and force (in aus) then theres all the big name companies like salomon and k2. We're starting to see the effects of a over stacked market segement with line having to differentiate their product, to cater for a wider range of skiers (ie: snowblades, Carving ski - responder or whatever its called, and the lowering of the tail on the darkside) in turn the core concept of built by newschoolers for newschoolers is being lost

No more new companies other wise the concept of a rider owned company specialising in twins can not exist.

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Once a skiboarder always a skiboarder, just because you switch and you ride non existent 178cm Candides doesn't cure you from being a ass-raping retard
 
what i hate is when people bash k2... fuckin dumbasses

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More Ski Companies=more choice

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Look at all the 'fly by night' snowboard companies that are 'rider owned' that come and go all the time. Some stick some don't that could very well be the progression we are seeing right now for skis. It's cool and I hope the best for anyone who wants to give a go. Personally, better prices and more consistent quality are what these companies need, not core mentallity or the rider owned bullshit. That does not matter if you produce a solid product.

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I agree, more ski companies do mean more choices, and it'll make them compete with one another which equals better quality, lower priced skis for us!

 
I agree with bigpygmy that there are a lot of come and go companys but I think it will take many years before that happens with the ski companys.

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More ski companies show that our sport is growing, which is a good thing. More companies mean more money in the sport as well, also good. All of you should go buy Liberty skis, brand new company, because 1. They are sick as hell, and 2. You will have an original ski to create your own style with.

 
i enjoy K2 myself

The only tent i'm pitchin tonite is... well you get where i'm goin.... OH! (Quagmire)

Frontflips are lame

Lets hear it for fat chicks!

 
dude, Salomon doesnt do anythign for us, so they dont count, new ski companies progress. help make skiing better

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look at the aggressive inline companies like Razor, USD, Deshi, and so many more they are all rider owned, but the riders are pros, so they finance the companie with they dalla bills yo.

Siver Cartel is a good example of this, newschool need more companies like that

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Without Salomon, freeskiing wouldn't be where it is today. There ya go, I said what no one else was willing to say.

As for 'rider-owned/operated' companies, go check www.fourstardist.com for a vision of the future. That's right everyone, one distributor for 4-5 different 'rider-owned/operated' companies...it's the best way to make it work. They get all the cost savings of a large enterprise, while still retaining much of the 'credibility' and following of a much small company. Think it doesn't work? It sure does for Forum...

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and eastcoastcana...

FIND ANOTHER ICON YOU BITCH!

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Yes i agree that more rider owned companies are better for us and yes they do provide more choices, BUT when it comes down to it such a small market segment (twin-tippers) can not support so many companies. I think we should establish Line, Armada and 4Frnt as core companies before any more companies are established.

The more rider owned companies means there are means that these companies are competing against each other = not good for progression.

To make way for more core companies we have to rebel against the major players like salomon, k2, rossi which i dont see happening because thir products are just as good (and prolly better in some respect) than that of these new companies. So before 100 companies start up and flood the market we should all burn our 1080s and Scratchs and go buy a pair of AR5s and while your at it get a pair of Mo-Ships

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LineskiNJ: (in a skiboarder post)''this post is funny cause i used to skiboard and now im on candides 178s and i think skiing in the park is 10 TIMES EASIER GODAMIT, easier balance on rails, weight distrubution on jumps, spinning is easier the ski brings you around just do it and you will be fine, and landing on a jumps is a joke''

Once a skiboarder always a skiboarder, just because you switch and you ride non existent 178cm Candides doesn't cure you from being a ass-raping retard
 
'Without Salomon, freeskiing wouldn't be where it is today. There ya go, I said what no one else was willing to say.'

They did have an influence but I don't know if I go as far as saying they made it happen. K2 made the poachers before the 1080's came out as I remember. And the Enemy came right after. Plus there were guys like Griffen Cummings that were making and selling their own devices to convert a ski into a twin tip. Salomon just beat the rest to the big public breakout....If they hadn't another company would have.

FOCUS your mind.

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I think that Salomon has done alot for this niche in the sport. They're the ones that step up and throw money into sponsoring things like the WSI, US Open, movie companies, etc..

What have the 'rider owned' companies done for the sport exactly? Granted Armada and 4frnt and the rest haven't been around very long but what exactly is so special?

you can't spell sick without ck
 
Salomon has benefitted by being first to market which lead to its twin tip domination (in sales, not necessarily quality). If they didnt want to do it, Mike D and JF and JP would have found somebody else to put out the product they wanted.

...Regular Pitbull with wings...

 
agreed, Salomon took the chance and it paid off. Props to them.

you can't spell sick without ck
 
Oh they kick it down without a doubt. Other companies do to though. It just seems to me that everyone see's Salomon as the #1 influence because they've done a good job of creating that corporate image...props to their marketing and PR departments. It's brand recognition and ad recall. I think Salomon did a better job of marketing to the pop culture side of things sooner than most other companies....not that that's a good thing from all perspectives.

Helly Hansen has been involved in films forever but their image is deff different than Salomons'. Same with a lot of other companies.

FOCUS your mind.

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LoKash: So is the penitentiary.
 
the skis arent all teh same look at 4frnt....they made a ski that is much wider then others...keep the skis comin....more posibilities to get sponsored too

 
mommy is the biggest queer on NS i would give anything to whoop his ass, just once, dude if you dont like the new companys, dont pay attention to them, are they hurting you or coming in contact with you in any way? NO! so go FUCK YOUR SELF

 
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