No money in skiing...

theoz

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for all those kids out there hoping to make a good living out of skiing... id just like to tell you stay in school.. i now know at least 15 people on the super pro level barley getting traveled payed for..

it seems there are too many good skiers now, not enough movie companies and a unsuportive industry.. there are maybe 15 skiers who make over 50 g a year from skiing..

think about how many amazing skiers thre are... i think its wrong.. people who shred shold get surport and sponsors should help athletes get more coverage...freeskier is like the only us freeski magazine... wtfs up with that.. we need more media. more big name sponsors(its slowly happeneing but ony too big pros who do comps) maybe an ns magazine?
 
seriuosly id like to be pro just to be able to ride everyday, and its not like you need tons of money cause you already get lots of stuff paid like your ski stuff and other things. sure most of them dont live rich but youd ask any of them and none will regret their choice.
 
Why does the money even matter? If I was a pro skier I could care less how much I made as long as I had a decent place to go back to
 
ok so question how do you know how much most pros get paid every year and i dont really care how much i get paid as long as i can ski
 
powder and freeskier thats it... yes some pro skiers are happy but what about all the skiers out there who are better than alot if not all the current super pros yet make nothing ..?T casue they do big mountain comps and cant film with a company like msp,.. casue they arent sponsored by Salomon or hellyhansen...

ski sponsors are stingy and wont give you anything unless they have too... fuck james heim filmed with msp last season and had too pay his own way to heli and sled shoot??

msp is a massive intnernational company and there are athletes that film with them that have to spend there own money to get out there , then they throw down as hard as possible with the hope they will get a 30 sec segmant.. but if they get hurt its all over...

I dont think the love in skiing is spread around enough.. there are ams coming up that are gonna eat the pros alive. yet they get no coverage becasue they dont have a big name sponsor

heres a list of people i know or know of on the super pro level not getting whats theres:

Cory ZIla, James Heim, Charlie Ager, LEeig powis (spelling) austin ross, Matty Richard, Craig Garbiel... that kid from baker doing cork 10s of cliffs the list goes on and on..

freeskier and powder are the only major american ski magazines and they preety much only publish photos from big pro photographers soo unless you shoot with one of those 10 or 12 photographers the odds of your shot getting published no matter how good is dismel.. then the idea of ski companies only using there international athletes as poster people,.. what abot some love for the ams??
 
also would like to add, Bernie Roswow, Garrett Russel, and Thaisuke Kinsoonooki and Johan the swede on here ( johan Kristofers) and also think of all the amazing skiers in theory 3 vids..

 
Wow dude let me just say...your a douche. Skiing is about having fun not making tons of money. You don't know shit obviously so keep your mouth shut.
 
what are u gonna do when your 30, have blown out knees, a fucked back and no education.... and your pro ski days are over???

money makes the world go round.... it sucks but its true... do you wanna be a ski bum when your 33? sure its an amzaing lifestyle

but in the end your some one elses bitch.. constantly throwing doewn for sponsors that in the end really dont give a shit about you.. the only loyal ski sponsors are 4frnt and armada and why doesnt jf ride for armada anymore??

also think about guys like Lars Veen and Mark Andre Belivau what are they gonna do with there lives now? sure marc has his music and is skiing again .. but whats he gonna do to maek a living?

there needs to be more loyalty, more media and more money thrown the way of athletes .. the day of a pro model consisting of a stock ski with different graphics is over..

most of you kids have no idea how many amaziing amazing skeirs there are out there that dont get shit
 
i dont know most of these skiers but yea theory-3 guys kill it so hard, they should get more recognition. still, im sure all the pros you named are pretty happy to ski so much, even without making money
 
dude, freestyle is not the only aspect of freeskiing. Sure powder is more about freeride, but that's still freeskiing, and they do cover some freestyle.
 
I reallly dont think its a big deal. If you are skiing to make money then you are doing it for the wrong reason. People that pay their own way to be in shoots is ok. Im sure they dont regret it. Every time they watch that segment im sure its worth it to them.
 
If it's all about money to you a pro can get another job. Anyway, why would anyone be in it just for the money, it's about educating the public, showing kids what it's about for the next gen. If it's money you want, quit skiing and get good grades.
 
other people are making money of them and they dont get shit .. they have to pay too go film with company... that doesnt happen in anyother sport other than skiing

all im preety much saying is that money should be given to more underground atheletes to blow up.. even just travel money so people can prove there worth...
 
Think about it...people like you and me go to mountains, and pay to shred. WE ARE OUT THERE TO HAVE FUN. Not to make money. Just because your a pro doesn't mean your attitude changes. They are still just like us, and when they're old and worn out they will know it was worth it.
 
He brings up a very valid point; skiing is a very valid point in a split second you can become seriously injured. For a pro this means their main form and only form of income which was very little to begin with has been cut off, with no higher level education what are they supposed to do. This isn't like basketball where you get 2 or 3 year contracts and even if you get injured you still have insurance, if your an up and coming pro and get injured your screwed indefinitely. I love skiing, there is no other thing in the world than i would rather do, but you also need to make a living, you can only ski bum it for so long...
 
maybe that what makes skiing better than any other sport? People do it just for the love. I think pro atheletes are way overpayed.
 
I would say thats its obvious that pros love the lives their lucky enough to lead, being able to ski all the time and make it living off it, even if it is a meager one at that. If they didnt have that passion for skiing they couldnt make it to the level their at. But that doesn't mean that changes couldnt be made to support them more. The aussie brought up a really good point about their age, what opportunities do they have after their prominently short runs of fame? They probably don't regret their decision because they love skiing so much as we all do, but if the sport became received more public recognition and had the ability to support more professional riders with decent lives it would be amazing. There are soo many riders that don't get the recognition they deserve. That being sad skiing is not for the money, its for the love of the sport, yet more money in the industry would help to support the injured and the retired as well as the up and coming riders.
 
then get a n education and ski on the side... DERRR

and seriously if they do it its there choice even if it is really dumb but personally going pro isn't everything

like someone said skiing is about fun not money

god its like all sports are going for money skiers do it for love not money ....

when there knees are blown out, hey the knew it was coming they probably considered the consequenses

peace
 
actually im stoked on my sponsors... ive come to the relisation that im not gonna go super pro i ski for fun... and enjoy traveling and partying skiing to m eis an excuse to travel and be young

getting shit in magazines and movies for me is awesome but i personaly dont care about the cash flow as i have other things i plan to make money of ... but i have alot of friends that are trying to make it that kil it harder than anyone and arent getting any props...its fukin lame ..i just think ski sponsors should spread there money out more.. and the glamerous life you think pro skeirs live mayeb only 4 peopsl live.. peter olenick hooks up with 14 year olds, tanners gf is a pro hoe, that anjeica chick gave some pro stds ,

the only guys who truely live the life are dumont , candide and Jon,.
 
Would definitely recommend that everyone here read the article in the thread next to this one from freeskier about money in the sport
 
getting high pay in any field is about the value of the product or service you can provide. the only thing professional athletes have to offer society in general is entertainment value, and so their salaries are based on how well they can be integrated into marketing campaigns. it doesnt matter how good a skier someone is, if their skill provides no service for anyone else then theres no reason to pay them to perform it. theres nothing wrong with living a life dedicated to pursuing your own personal fun but dont expect it to make you rich
 
dude your such an idiot! Its not about money, its about doing what you love, and if you can be supplied with gear and maybe actually work a job, like a normal person you can ski almost every day and have money also. seriously.. ive been working a full time job this season and ive had 125 days of riding and i have 3 months to go. and i know and ride with alot of people on your "list"... so dude, before your just feel the urge to preach about how there is "no money in skiing", actually think about what these people do to get where they are.. They work. Nothing is handed to you..

ps 1bi2 and Unknowns... learn these names.
 
when has there ever been money in skiing!!!? thers more money in it now than ever, but your pro because you love skiing and you get to shred it every day. its the way of life and the lifestyle it brings. also you say theres nothing for you once you leave skiing, well being a pro athelete in any sport gives you a massive profile that can put you at the top of any job list.
 
I realized recently, that although I could never realistically be a pro skier, I'm 23, I have a girlfriend and a job and never got to go to freestyle skiing academy and instead went to regular old public school, but all that aside, I wouldn't want to be a pro if I could. It's like, when a system rolls into Utah, I don't give a fuck, I care if it snows in Washington. I would rather just ski and have fun at my own local mountain, than drive for 2 solid days binging on rockstar so I could go mob out to god knows where on sleds so I could build for 5 days hoping the weather is perfect so I can hit a hundred foot booter that scares the shit out of me. I have more fun skiing than I ever have had in my life. Summer's here, there's one weekend left to ski, and I'm stoked on taking a few months chilling in the sun to let my body rest from a sick year. Props to all pro's for working hard and doing their thing, but I'm doing my thing, and if no one wants to sponsor me cuz im only mediocre at skiing, thats alright with me.
 
ur arguement doesn't make any sense. isn't a superpro someone at the top of the industry? someone who makes six figures and has real influence and marketing power? everyone you named is an am at best. they get paid according to how marketable they are. since no one knows who the fuck they are, they don't get paid shit.

and all sports are like this. think about some kid from the project who gets a football scholarship to some good college and doesn't have any sort of monetary safety net from his family. if hes is good enough to make it to the nfl, which prob isn't the case, he may get hurt and then his career is done and he might lose a scholarship and then hes SOL. all sports are like this, its just different systems due to farm leagues and college sports.
 
its fags like simon dumont and jon olson that kill it for all the cats in the park with fly style there doing like kangaroo flips and corked 9s with like 87946296589204 feet of air i mean like wheres the style in that.

 
Love the plug but it should be Unknowns then 1bi2 :P.

To Aussipimp, Dude what triggered you to write this thread? Just wondering, cuz its like something happened to you personally!

Ps on your list cuz I noticed some Whistler boys in there you forgot about Mike, that guy kills it, and has a huge bag of tricks both on jibs and airs. If he puts in a super unknown vid next year Im pretty sure hell win it hands down
 
top skiers make more than you think once u add in sponsorships and comp but i agree its not about the money, its about the lifestyle. I'd take that over money anyday.
 
ok i'm going to try and say this nicely. shut the fuck up and go back to australia and tell us how great the outback is.
 
to me skiing is about just living the life to ski, and having to do whatever you have to do to keep doing it. In alot of situations some kids are fortunate enough to go to these big skiing acadimies, and just live out west and ski the sickest parks. Lets not forget about the kids that work mad hard that have limitations on there skiing that cant really do anything about. seeing companys creating video contests seems to be the best way to reach out to kids in similar situations. companys are begining to reach out, but with the assumption of greed at times.... i will always have skiing in my life, and hope to push towords making it my life, or just in some way helping and being a part of the indusry. Generations of kids will push the sport and the industry so far, you cant expect to much at once, it will just have a snowball effect as the years go on just watch.
 
Do any of you kids on here live on your own? In reality, 50g is not alot of money, especially living in a ski town. There are expenses that you 14yo kids cant even imagine.

rent or house payment

car payments

car insurance

health insurance

food

Thats just the basic stuff on a monthly basis.
 
Yeah but do they have any real sense of money? Your parents pay for them, so essentially, they dont exist to you.
 
plus one.

plus what happens when your car breaks down and you need a 3,000$ transmission. or you need to go buy a new stove, because yours just broke.
 
Exactly. I had a tire blowout the other day, i ended up buying 4 tires, that was like 450

Just random expenses are the killer because you dont plan for those.
 
this is a legitimate thread.. and you post shit like this... go jump of a cliff .. retartd. go bak to the out back hahaah how original.... you really were dropped on our head as a child...

as for why i wrote this thread .. read the artcle on money in freeskiing in the other thread ... freeskiing is a legitimate sport and guys that a killing it on teh world big mountain tour , and or are better than preety much all teh pros like Cory ZILA and Garrett Russell shoud get there dues... all you kids so you acually read these threads or just talk shit ..
 


IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET RICH SKIING. BUT FOR THOSE WHO CAN, IS IT EVEN WORTH IT?.?

Mike Douglas and cinematographer Ben Mullin stand on a frozen lake deep in the Coast Mountains outside of Pemberton, British Columbia. Above them, a 200-foot-long, six-foot-wide cleft in a rock face presents an opportunity for a dicey straightline that could make for a money shot. It's slated for the team video Douglas is directing and producing for Salomon's Japanese division.

Douglas and Mullin debate a variety of angles before settling on a standard barbie shot from across the lake. "If he was any other skier, I wouldn't ask his opinion," Mullin explains. "But he's signing my paychecks."

A short snowmobile ride later, Douglas appears at the top of the cleft. But before dropping in, he takes care of a second bit of business--donning a helmet camera to capture this line for his all-POV segment in the upcoming Matchstick Productions movie, Seven Sunny Days. He radios Mullin that he's ready, and the camera rolls. Douglas makes a few set-up turns and flashes the chute. One line for two films is in the can.

Two days later, Douglas sits in a Whistler café at 10 a.m. He's been working since seven, meeting with Salomon's international marketing crew before they head back to France. Over a plate of eggs Benedict, he reconstructs his week.

"Let's see," he begins. "I met with Whistler Blackcomb about their spring photo shoots and MC'ed a party for them. I've had Mullin here for two weeks while I directed shoots for the Salomon movie. I've been filming my segment for MSP. I met with Salomon regarding team planning and product. And always in the back of my mind I'm planning upcoming shoots, things we need to prepare and what we need to rent. I also hung out with my in-laws and tried to keep my pregnant wife from killing me."

Douglas is busy because, by nearly any relevant metric--exposure, income, portfolio, respect--he is among the most successful professional freeskiers in the world. At 37, he's also one of the oldest. But while Douglas is a spectacularly talented skier, there's one key metric by which Douglas doesn't entirely measure up: raw ability. And he freely admits it.

He succeeds because there's a lot more to success in the notoriously fickle arena of professional skiing than just skiing well. Behind the glossy images of skiers charging down Alaskan faces, launching over gap jumps, or standing on the podium, there are athletes struggling to navigate sponsorship politics in an ever-changing market while desperately trying to avoid injury. Of the 150 to 200 people in North America and Europe claiming to be professional freeskiers, less than 10 percent actually make a sustainable living. Until the industry decides he is unmarketable, Douglas is one of them.

Brant Moles isn't part of that 10 percent. In the late '90s, he was heralded as the Next Big Thing in big-mountain skiing. After the sport's formative years were dominated by the likes of Shane McConkey, Kent Kreitler, and Seth Morrison, Moles's wins at the 1997 U.S. and World Extreme Skiing Championships symbolized a new depth of field with fresh personalities. When ensuing contracts allowed him to pay off a $10,000 credit-card bill and cover a spring's worth of skiing in Alaska, he thought he'd won the lottery. But after four hip dislocations and a broken ankle, he watched the sport leave him behind while he rehabbed on an exercise bike.

"I was so focused on getting back to where I was that I didn't have time to learn a mute grab 360," Moles says now. "In 2005, I was finally back, but the industry had changed. I was on trips with friends, thinking I was skiing well, but I wasn't able to grab my skis every time I jumped. I thought, `Huh, I'm not getting the response I thought I would.' "

So Moles did the one thing he knew he could do: He entered the U.S. Freeskiing Nationals at Snowbird. In a field of skiers five to 10 years younger than he was, he placed fourth. The result was strong enough to approach a few companies with what he thought was a reasonable proposal: a $5,000 travel stipend to cover the remainder of his season. Moles was humbled to discover that this was now considered a hefty payday for a big-mountain skier, but he was happy to receive some interest. Three days later, he blew out his knee and broke his femur.

"I had a few offers and they evaporated. I was top five in one of the deepest fields in big-mountain freeskiing and I didn't even get a pat on the back," he says now. "I've made some money but because of injuries and bad decisions I'm certainly not much further along than when I started this whole thing. I've lived in Utah for over 15 years and I'm one of the only world champions who actually lives and skis here. I still have a hard time getting a [comp] ski pass."

Professional freeskiers, paid to represent sponsors outside the traditional racing and freestyle competition venues, have been around since K2 put together the original Performers team in the late '60s. For 30 years, aside from Glen Plake, Scot Schmidt (both had contracts), and a few more extreme skiers, the vast majority of pros made do with a few free pairs of skis a year and, if they were really working it, a photo-incentive deal that paid them a few hundred bucks a winter.

That all changed in the late '90s, when ski marketing took a pronounced leap to target the younger consumer. Communicating to that consumer required a shift to image-driven, personality-focused marketing campaigns. Suddenly, the ski manufacturers gave out a lot more free skis. They also built teams of credible athletes who resonated with younger skiers.

The top skiers of this group soon had contracts, annual retainer fees, and something approximating professional athletic careers. This, in turn, created a new dream for the less accomplished skiers--the photo and movie fodder of magazines and film segments. The end result was an enormous divide in terms of who makes what.

"There's a little club that's making really good money," explains Douglas, "and a really big club that's not." By really good money, Douglas means an annual salary north of $200,000 paid from contracts combined from ski companies, eyewear, clothing, and for the lucky few an energy drink or some other non-endemic sponsor like Target or Nike.

While no one was willing to talk specifics for this article, educated generalizations can be made: Top-tier competition skiers with a stranglehold on the X Games podium and a good agent--or multitaskers like Douglas--can command upwards of $200,000 a year. Established veterans with several years of competition results followed by several years of good coverage in magazines and movies are more likely in the $80,000 to $100,000 range. Everyone else, the aforementioned "big club," is making anywhere from $50,000 down to absolutely nothing.

There are a few ways you can climb to the top tier. The obvious method is to recalibrate the height-o-meter of the X Games superpipe, like Simon Dumont. Last winter, he claimed nearly $150,000 in contest winnings alone. That's on top of his retainers with Salomon, Oakley, Red Bull, and Target. Or you could parlay your status as the symbol of Swedish freeskiing into a gig as the face of an international fashion brand, as Jon Olsson did with Stockholm's J. Lindeberg. Olsson now owns a Lamborghini and lives in Monaco for tax purposes. "I'm number two," Dumont admits when asked who he thinks is the best paid freeskier in the world. "Jon's number one."

Including Olsson and Dumont, there are probably fewer than 10 pros in this club. These are the younger new-school phenoms who combine photogeneity with an image the younger consumer tends to worship--counterculture icons like Tanner Hall or France's Candide Thovex.

But the top of the big-mountain realm, what Moles was chasing a decade ago, is less rarified. "I would highly doubt any big-mountain skiers outside Europe are making $200,000 a year," says Shane McConkey, who's been negotiating his own contracts since 1991 "Jibbing is more popular than big-mountain skiing. That's a fact. Our market has always been small enough that we don't have agents. We fight our own battles."

Still, McConkey stresses that he has no complaints. If guys like him or Seth Morrison or Chris Davenport are a few notches down the income scale, their longevity alone is enviable. In a job where five years of earning is considered a long career, they've been employed for over 10.

So has Douglas. But far more than being merely in the public eye, his job is tied to an absurdly complicated contract. It draws from several different divisions of Salomon--to cover his work as a skier, consultant, and independent contractor. Still, every year he fights for his job.

"This isn't Toyota," says K2's Brand Director, Jeff Mechura. "This isn't Coke. We're a relatively small industry, but athletes sometimes view us as these huge corporations with limitless funds."

"Athletes seem to think that the industry has unlimited resources to hook people up," agrees Rossignol's North American team manager, Paddy Kaye. "It's super-tight, especially this year with the global snow situation."

Jenny Naftulin, Salomon's alpine marketing coordinator concurs. "Basing a multi-year contract off one film segment per year is becoming more difficult to justify. These days it's about well-balanced athletes. Can the athlete add good feedback to product testing? Can they get creative with self-promotion? Can they help with clinics and events?"

Harder still, skiers' tried-and-true methods for climbing up the industry ladder produce diminishing returns these days. Companies expect a lot more for the thousands of dollars they pay their athletes than they did just 10 years ago. Back then, a cover shot for a magazine would all but guarantee a skier both a contract and a raise the following winter.

"Cases like that are becoming more and more rare," says Naftulin, who is constantly approached by skiers boasting about their coverage in magazines or films. "Even if you're creating a film segment that goes down in history and gets in front of thousands and thousands of eyes internationally, how do you tie that into Salomon's retail components? How does it sell skis? To base a contract on a film segment, it's too much of a risk for a big company."

Likewise, pure competition results, outside of massive X Games exposure, no longer cut it either. Drew Tabke won the 2007 U.S. Freeskiing Nationals and took second on the IFSA World Tour yet doesn't receive a travel budget from his sponsors. "The only money I make skiing is money I win," he says. And with the largest first-place prize purse on tour being $3,000, Tabke's down months are filled with standard ski-bum jobs like valet parking and dishwashing.

"It's a short life, I don't care who you are," says Boyd Easley. Like Moles, Easley dealt with injury issues. In 2002, Easley joined Armada Skis alongside Tanner Hall, J.P. Auclair, J.F. Cusson, and Julien Regnier on skiing's first über-team. While Auclair, Cusson, and Regnier gave the upstart manufacturer some established legitimacy, Armada turned to Hall and Easley to put their stamps on skiing's future. Then Easley blew a knee in 2003 and again in 2004

At the start of the 2006 winter, Easley's contracts with Armada and Oakley came up for renewal. Both sponsors had been supportive throughout his injuries, but it had been three years since he had contributed significantly to the sport. Easley knew he would have to prove that he could still compete in a market dominated by younger skiers with bigger tricks and better knees. And he understood the reality: Skiing had come so far that the tricks he used to win competitions three seasons ago wouldn't even qualify him for a final anymore. Rather than renegotiate in bad faith, Easley retired.

"I was at the top of my game. I'd made my mark and that's where I needed to get back to," Easley says. "I never got there. You're going to wear out sooner than later because your body can only take so much. So, you make it for five or six years and it's a good life. But what are you going to do afterwards?"

Easley is now a sales rep for an oxygen company. Moles coaches, paints houses, and tends bar. Even Kent Kreitler, a freeskiing pioneer with dozens of movie segments, sees the off-white light at the end of the tunnel: He recently became a licensed realtor in Idaho.

Of course, talking about professional skiing strictly in terms of dollars and cents sort of misses the fluffy, powdery point. "I'm having more fun than anybody," says Dumont. "I travel around to contests, party with my friends, ski, and make a good living off it. It's the best job you can ask for."

Ultimately, it's Tabke--the one skier interviewed who hasn't even sniffed a living from skiing--who puts it in perspective. "It's funny when I hear people saying we deserve to be paid more," he says of the common gripe among big-mountain skiers. "We're partying and skiing. What do you want to be paid for? It's not like I wouldn't welcome a hundred thousand a year just to ski, but it's not my goal. If the industry and I cross paths and opportunities present themselves, I'll take them. But I'm happy doing my own thing."

A day after directing a Salomon commercial shoot involving the entire jib team, Douglas stands beneath the final jump of the Mammoth terrain park--a 30-foot booter in full view of the lodge deck and the lift line. Mullin is above, shooting the inrun as Nick Geopper, a 13-year-old grommet from Indiana, rockets toward takeoff. Geopper is a student in Salomon's Jib Academy--a ski camp composed of skiers spotted in a talent search. After a local qualifier at Ohio's Snow Trails Resort, where he displayed more potential and enthusiasm than 52 other kids, Geopper got an invite. For nearly a week, he'll do almost nothing but lap the park alongside Salomon athletes he's seen in movies and magazines, skiers like Peter Olenick and Sammy Carlson.

It's a perfect spring day with afternoon sun turning the snow into forgiving corn. Dumont, who can't ski due to a tweaked knee, has made it here to cheer on Geopper and the rest of the Academy members.

It's not that big a jump, but Geopper's not that big a kid, and his soaring back flip elicits a few oohs and aahs from the crowd. Douglas shakes his head. "It took me until I was 24 to land a back flip," he says.

Ask Geopper if he knows who Douglas is, and he'll swear that he does. Ask him why he spent the first three days of the Jib Academy referring to him as "Adam" and he'll grudgingly admit that, OK, maybe he wasn't sure at first. After all, Geopper was four years old when Douglas delivered skiing's seminal jib-specific twin-tip ski, Salomon's Teneighty, to consumers in 1998 But ask Geopper what he wants to be when he grows up, and he'll look at you like you just asked the single stupidest question he's ever heard. "A pro skier," he replies.

Doesn't everybody?

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Micah Abrams

so tell me is it right that Brant Moles a former World Big mountain champ cant even get a travel budget?

When I say theres no loyalty in skiing i man it in situations like this.. Brant was on top of the world then go injurd where is the love from Rossi and Spy for all the years that he killed it for them? this .shit doesnt happen in surfing , snowboarding or skatting or moto X .. companies look after there legends... but no not in skiing... and as for the argument that ams areent marketable.. look at skatting 1/3 of adds in skate mags are of companies exposing there ams, then when they blow up people allready know who they are.. and then the sponsor makes even more money of that athlete becasue they helped him to get big.. mmarketing is everything in Action sports .. all im saying is that the ski industry should spread the love .. and there needs to be more avenues other than winning comps .. to blow up.. like more magazines. more contests like super unknown and more legit freeski magazines like freeze, Axis and 2 freeski back in the day.... freeskiing was on the rise for a long time and while now its still on the rise there a re certain things that have happned like the down fall of freeze , 2 freeski magazine, that are holding skiing back from taking over like it should..

 
i've heard of like 3 of your so called "super pro" level and i'm not surprised that the ones i know of don't get paid...

I would be surprised if anyone reads the post you just made cus its like a 2 page essay.

and i'm pretty sure kids on here don't expect to be able to make a living off skiing even if they are super fucking good.

It is too bad that we don't get more money in the sport and that more people can't live off of skiing, but thats just how it is. maybe more kids will get paid in the next few years, but everyone who films with a good company can't expect to have a salary or even all their travel paid for. whatever i like men

 
This is based on the money there.

Personally, I don't see a whole lot of room at the top. I'm sorry, I agree the majority of people out there are not getting paid anywhere near what they should be, but skiing is getting crazy, there are lots of people who are blowing up, and frankly, people with crazy talent on skis will get lost in the shuffle.

There just isn't the money to pay that many kids to rep their product, and frankly, doing just that seems pretty lazy to me. Being a professional skier means a job. This isn't hard to understand. That means product testing, feedback, signing autographs, promotional things, whatever is needed to sell skis, that is their job. And there just isn't a need for 30 people on each companies pro team, when they can do the same thing with maybe 10 or less.

People will be left in the cold. So until skiing has a world tour (coming next year according to Mr. Olsson), or sells itself out to massive companies with the cash to throw around (like Taco Bell or Playstation, which both have really deep skiing roots and care about the future of the sport), make sure that you have an education. After two years (maybe) in the spotlight, you will have to do something to make money, if that's your goal. There just isn't room for a ton of sponsored pros.
 
i really like taking naps, but honestly, my sponsors have not been steeping it up at all. I mean, you don't see any professional nappers making over 50 grand a year, whats up with that? Because I'm really passionate about napping and I devote my life to it and I really don;t think anyone can nap like me. All im saying is, whats the fucking deal, buy me some fucking money for doing what I want to do bitches.
 
opportunity cost? are you aware that every major ski company save k2 lost money last year? Are you aware that the marketing length for the ski industry has been overextended? Do tell where all this money is coming from to pay people to do what they would be doing anyways. And that is great humor.
 
opportunity cost? are you aware that every major ski company save k2 lost money last year? Are you aware that the marketing length for the ski industry has been overextended? Do tell where all this money is coming from to pay people to do what they would be doing anyways. And that is great humor.
 
well lets get this sport/lifestyle going!!

Get your own Film Crews together, and put out local movies, and try to get them displayed pubicly in stores and other places...if you wont make it in skiing, but love it, Learn to edit...you can still shred and make a lil money off of filming

Start your own zine about your Scene! Inexpensive, easy, and fun, get your scene going and distribute them at school, and other places...or even creat a website just for your mountain...

swamp the huge corporations and companies with photos, videos, and zines....this will get them aware of the rising skiing phenomenom....do everything you can

pm me if you want more ideas...or if you have any to suggest
 
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