No helmet culture

I know dudes that are permanently fucked...so feel like u dudes in washington know whats up...also the trees here are softer lol
 
I work in the emergency department/operating rooms and there seems to be a correlation with not wearing a helmet and brains outside the noggin'
 
14198861:MarkusFin said:
Concussions aren't the only form of head trauma?

You're trying to argue agains't facts that helmets in fact do reduce blunt force trauma to the head, as well as help even out the area of impact, which can be very small if you hit your head on a rail, ski, or anything along those lines.

This is just a fucking stupid position by you to take..


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helmets also help stop physical cuts etc. to your head

a few years ago an a backcountry jump I saw a guy under rotate a backflip on a snowboard and his board edge cut straight into his forehead, a helmet would have stopped that

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not just helmet, but also goggles helps.

I have got a lot of data on crashing with/without helmet, with/without goggles that I collected myself... by crashing myself... when goggles looks like you put them in the road for a day, you know they helped.

I would reccomend 10/10 crash with goggles, with helmet, with backbrace. Like my last wipeout was just from getting new skis and forgetting to detune, how stupid is that. wasnt a big feature, but metal is tougher than me.
 
14199129:eheath said:
I treat people as they treat me, I'm completely nice, and I would argue helpful, with people who aren't negative to me first.

Also, that dude is a troll, again im a completely reasonable and companionate person towards normal members, huge difference here.
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Yeah I'm a troll for arguing against people who say helmets are useless. There was no way for me to know that you were arguing for helmets and not against before you edited your comment. But take the high ground after editing the comment, that's cool too.
 
14199317:MarkusFin said:
Yeah I'm a troll for arguing against people who say helmets are useless. There was no way for me to know that you were arguing for helmets and not against before you edited your comment. But take the high ground after editing the comment, that's cool too.
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Ight bro I was never a dick to you so that comment had nothing to do with you, you can keep trying to give me shit for editing my post but you're just deflecting, why I don't know, I never attacked you, you called me out, you got this all backwards brother.
 
14199084:moist_velvet said:
I got a pretty bad concussion a couple of years ago (wearing a helmet). ended up going to a concussion specialist that had a lot of interesting info. helmets do basically nothing for a concussion. helmets' purpose is to stop your skull from cracking.
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Idk about that though. Helmets aren't just a hard piece of plastic against your skull. That foam flexes and cracks and your head stopping is less sudden. How much of an impact idk.

I've broken a helmet in half, and have cracked another one pretty good. I highly doubt that that didn't have an impact outside of keeping my skull intact.

Even the difference between softer snow and ice makes a difference.

Helmets don't keep you from injuring your brain but i feel it's kind of bullshit when people act like they do nothing.
 
Also people can do whatever they want honestly. Def notice in the last 5 years or so that the vast majority of kids rock helmets. It's so common now, everyone in the friends group has them, and people have grown up with them. So it's really not an issue. I get people who skied all their life without one not wanting to mske a change.

Idk, do whatever. Helmets def help your head though.
 
I'd be dead or permanently fucked up at least 2x maybe 3x without helmet. With longboarding and other shit? Double that. Even wearing them, these head slammers I speak of probably played a bit into some of my less desirable cognative traits. Besides, paid too much for college to get a bad TBI.
 
14199372:eheath said:
Ight bro I was never a dick to you so that comment had nothing to do with you, you can keep trying to give me shit for editing my post but you're just deflecting, why I don't know, I never attacked you, you called me out, you got this all backwards brother.
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we square
 
My dad never ever wears a helmet. I think that's cool. I wear a helmet every day UNLESS I'm injured or sick and don't plan on leaving the ground. He thinks that's cool.

Be like me & my dad
 
I wear a helmet cause I’ve had some rly bad head injuries and I’m not trying to be stuck in a bed for 6months again but everyone’s circumstances are different and I’ll respect ur choice not to wear one. No inverts or no helmet no riding in the park are stupid rules 2
 
14198842:Bended_Toenail said:
Imo wearing a helmet when skiing is optional, but I almost always do.

However, it is super dumb to not wear a helmet when skating/bmx, exhibit A:


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That might just be the hardest head wack I have ever seen. If I saw that live, I'd be 100% convinced I just watched somebody die.
 
14198670:SendyMcSendyface said:
I've always worn helmets, but last year decided to give the no helmet thing a try. Rode Targhee without for a few days, and really liked it. Got up one morning to go ski, and for some reason decided to wear one. Later that day, I was ripping through some trees, and hit a kicker beside a tree that I hadn't hit/seen before. Above, and a little bit behind the kicker was a 6" branch just above head height and my eye level that I didn't see cause I looked back to make sure the lads were watching. I came in fast, and the kicker sent me up, and my forehead (with helmet) went straight into the branch at Mach 10. Hardest hit I ever had, got ski patrol to check me out after, as I though I might be concussed. I wasn't but if I hadn't been wearing a helmet, I'd have been fucked up. Never ditching the helmet now.
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100% this. If you are tree skiing without a helmet your are basically playing Russian Roulette. Its only a matter of time before you tag a branch or tree trunk. There have been a bunch of times I have put my head down and let my visor take the hit on smaller branches if im in really tight.
 
I wear a helmet almost 100% due to peer pressure. I wasn’t raised in a safety culture and Ive evolved accordingly. When I first started wearing a helmet I wasn’t used to the cumbersome weight and as a result once my head slammed hard into the ground on an otherwise routine fall. I’ve gotten used to the weight now though and I find my helmet helpful when skiing in tree’s as I can stick my head down and ram through more debris than I can without it.

One downside to helmets is it hinders my vision when I’m bombing groomers switch and I worry that this will cause an accident, but in those moments it is comforting knowing that I have a helmet on.

I do miss the dexterity I felt in regards to my vision and mobility, and I often wonder if - when I’m in that moment where every ounce of focus is on navigating the quickly passing terrain and executing the balancing act required to get through - am I better off with a slightly higher state of awareness, or a slightly more protected skull should something go wrong... IDK to each their own

There are a lot of dummies out there so I’m sure we’ll see some without helmets, but there are also some guys like that free solo guy guy who are confident enough in their art that we shouldn’t shame them for discarding safety equipment in exchange for an unhindered flo state.

This is also my first post on here so hopefully my thoughts on this aren’t off putting (I like to lace my truths with a lot of sarcasm). I respect anyone who loves sliding down snow regardless of ability or steez. I moved to the mountains back in 2001 and since then have skied in 5 different countries on 3 different continents. From 7000ft descents in the French/Swiss alps to Snow Park New Zealand I’ve loved it all and most importantly the characters that I’ve met along the way. We all may not agree on everything, but the community is dope.

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There is a third option beyond helmet, or no helmet. Armored beanies exist, that's what I wear. I feel like skiing is safer than the amplified horror stories we hear about would have you believe. If I was hitting my head on the regular then I'd for sure invest in a good helmet. It's good that the people that are hitting their heads more than never are deciding to helmet up, but I don't judge anyone for wearing one, not wearing one, or choosing a compromise like an armored beanie. The times when people have tried to legislate helmet use for skiing it hasn't gone through because the science just isn't clear cut that they do a significant amount to reduce concussion or TBI (caused from your brain slamming against the inside of your skull). If the evidence was there that helmets overwhelmingly saved lives and reduced concussions then you better believe helmets would've been made law in the same way that seat belts are. The reason there is no helmet mandate in skiing is because the science isn't clear and you have to have evidence to make something like that the law. This might change as helmet tech gets better, but for now that's where we are. Wear a helmet or don't, it's a personal choice. This is the kind of beanie I'm talking about

[video]https://youtu.be/9VDeJ7rLUYU?t=50[/video]
 
I don't buy the "everyone is free to do what they want" argument anymore.

Several people close to me have had their lives completely altered by head injuries. I have seen personalities change, intense depression, loss of work, financial burdens, and overall some really dark times that I would not wish on anybody. Arguments that downplay the severity of head injuries are not good for anybody or skiing.

I used to feel that individual freedom was most important, but not wearing a helmet is ultimately very selfish. If you were to hit your head and have brain injury, you are not the only one affected. Anybody near to you will be changed. Somebody will have to take care of you and that person's life will also be significantly altered. Not to mention in the US our terrible healthcare system might make it an immense financial burden. We are incredibly lucky to be able to ski. Wearing a helmet is such a tiny inconvenience.
 
Lol this thread gets made like every few months and I've never realized how similar the "reasons not to wear a helmet" argument is to "reasons not to wear a condom"
 
14199502:Hodor said:
I don't buy the "everyone is free to do what they want" argument anymore.

Several people close to me have had their lives completely altered by head injuries. I have seen personalities change, intense depression, loss of work, financial burdens, and overall some really dark times that I would not wish on anybody. Arguments that downplay the severity of head injuries are not good for anybody or skiing.

I used to feel that individual freedom was most important, but not wearing a helmet is ultimately very selfish. If you were to hit your head and have brain injury, you are not the only one affected. Anybody near to you will be changed. Somebody will have to take care of you and that person's life will also be significantly altered. Not to mention in the US our terrible healthcare system might make it an immense financial burden. We are incredibly lucky to be able to ski. Wearing a helmet is such a tiny inconvenience.
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I think helmets are important, but forcing people to wear helmets is not the solution. If someone doesn't want to wear a helmet, that is their choice, not yours and frankly its not your place to be concerned about them or who their decision might effect. The solution is to wear a helmet if you want to, tell your friends/family to wear a helmets and stop trying to preach to others what they should or should not do.
 
I get the "I don't like helmets so I don't wear one" but I really don't get the "I'm not convinced that helmets are helpful".

Also if you're rocking a padded beanie you clearly think theres some risk. Again fine to say "I like this better than helmets and it offers me some protection". That makes sense but the "I don't think a helmet because they don't really do anything, but I wear a padded beanie" seems illogical at best.

Again do whatever people. Whether you're used to it, or that's just what's comfortable, whatever. You can never really break down a crash an say 100% he would have died if he didn't have one, or wouldn't have been fucked up if he had etc. But there's some pretty clear gains imo. Some people have smashed their helmets to a point that's unbelievable and it's crazy to try and say that having it on didnt have an impact.

Again do whatever, but helmets definitely help.
 
14199592:theabortionator said:
I really don't get the "I'm not convinced that helmets are helpful".
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I don't think I've ever heard or seen anyone make this argument. Everyone knows they're helpful, that doesn't mean one chooses to wear one.
 
14199473:Cyanicenine said:
There is a third option beyond helmet, or no helmet. Armored beanies exist, that's what I wear. I feel like skiing is safer than the amplified horror stories we hear about would have you believe. If I was hitting my head on the regular then I'd for sure invest in a good helmet. It's good that the people that are hitting their heads more than never are deciding to helmet up, but I don't judge anyone for wearing one, not wearing one, or choosing a compromise like an armored beanie. The times when people have tried to legislate helmet use for skiing it hasn't gone through because the science just isn't clear cut that they do a significant amount to reduce concussion or TBI (caused from your brain slamming against the inside of your skull). If the evidence was there that helmets overwhelmingly saved lives and reduced concussions then you better believe helmets would've been made law in the same way that seat belts are. The reason there is no helmet mandate in skiing is because the science isn't clear and you have to have evidence to make something like that the law. This might change as helmet tech gets better, but for now that's where we are. Wear a helmet or don't, it's a personal choice. This is the kind of beanie I'm talking about

[video]https://youtu.be/9VDeJ7rLUYU?t=50[/video]
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[tag=252678]@vibecheck[/tag]
 
14199375:theabortionator said:
Idk about that though. Helmets aren't just a hard piece of plastic against your skull. That foam flexes and cracks and your head stopping is less sudden. How much of an impact idk.

I've broken a helmet in half, and have cracked another one pretty good. I highly doubt that that didn't have an impact outside of keeping my skull intact.

Even the difference between softer snow and ice makes a difference.

Helmets don't keep you from injuring your brain but i feel it's kind of bullshit when people act like they do nothing.
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yeah, I still wear a helmet 90% of the time. I wish I could remember better what the doctor said (no irony intended) but from what I can remember she was telling me that when you get a concussion it is not your brain moving around in or hitting the side of your skull it is a neurological surge that goes through your brain.
 
14199859:moist_velvet said:
yeah, I still wear a helmet 90% of the time. I wish I could remember better what the doctor said (no irony intended) but from what I can remember she was telling me that when you get a concussion it is not your brain moving around in or hitting the side of your skull it is a neurological surge that goes through your brain.
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In the words of Jeremy Clarkson, "Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you".
 
I cant not wear a helmet anymore, as i quite remember my last banger fall i was thinking if i should wear a helmet that day, thank fuck i did because i would have been a veggggiiiieeee. My feet came right out from under me at the end of an fdf to waterfall to flat bar, landed on my ribs and my helmet bounced up and down the whole way down the second rail, my ribs still hurt every now and then.
 
14199597:eheath said:
I don't think I've ever heard or seen anyone make this argument. Everyone knows they're helpful, that doesn't mean one chooses to wear one.
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I made that argument on page 1 of this thread. There are studies out there about helmets in snowsports and they're frustratingly inconclusive
 
14200355:ChillTeenDad420 said:
I made that argument on page 1 of this thread. There are studies out there about helmets in snowsports and they're frustratingly inconclusive
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Idk man, I don't think anyone needs a conclusive study to wear a helmet, thats a silly reason.
 
14200358:eheath said:
Idk man, I don't think anyone needs a conclusive study to wear a helmet, thats a silly reason.
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Without scientific support, all we really have are assumptions.

It might be a safe assumption to say that wearing a helmet reduces your risk of "x" injury... or it might not. This has been studied (the N is admittedly small in some of these studies) and at least some of the time, the risk of certain injuries are increased by a statistically significant amount if you're wearing a helmet (refer to page 1 studies I linked).

These studies don't necessarily mean that wearing a helmet puts one at higher risk, but likewise they don't inspire the confidence in helmets in the way that I, at least, would like to have.

The last thing I'm gonna post in this thread and then im out: helmet standards ought to be improved, helmet companies should do some major R&D to make more PROVABLY effective helmets, and we need more third party science and testing
 
topic:pbs said:
Just moved down to SLC from Washington. Have been up to “Alta park” and the bonezone and I was the only one wearing a helmet at either spot. I completely understand that not wearing a helmet feels good and looks better, yet for me that doesn’t out weight the risk of getting a head injury. Maybe I slam more than normal or maybe I’m a pussy? idk helmets just seem more common in WA. Any folks that have been here longer got any ideas?
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If you decide not to wear a helmet because everyone else isn’t wearing one you might have already received a brain injury
 
14200507:itzPebbs said:
If you decide not to wear a helmet because everyone else isn’t wearing one you might have already received a brain injury
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yeah...never brought that up...
 
14198713:TwirlJam said:
Got a gnarly concussion with a helmet up in Whistler a couple years ago. I wear them almost always now, but I also thought it was a great idea to have a couple drinks later that night and I know that didn’t help. Saw a buddy crack one on a tree once in HS and the impact that requires is gnarly. That being said I still will occasionally forgo them on warm spring days. It all comes down to what your risk tolerance is. Don’t wear if you don’t want. Wear if you do. Personally I’m fine being a dumbass some days but I acknowledge it. I don’t really give a shit about dying, but living without full function or cognitive ability is way scarier. That alone is enough to keep a helmet (mostly) on my head.
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Here’s my post about why I normally wear a helmet. Today’s opening day. Eh it’s 50 out I’m wearing a t shirt in the slush no need for a helmet we’ll let the hair flow. Catch the only fucking ice chunk landing switch and catch a nice lil bop to the noggin. Pretty fucking ironic imo.
 
14200355:ChillTeenDad420 said:
I made that argument on page 1 of this thread. There are studies out there about helmets in snowsports and they're frustratingly inconclusive
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I think its hard to get data because if you are going 55 mph and hit a tree a ski helmet probably is not going to do much. In the same token, if you have a helmet and wack your head on a rail or branch at low speeds your probably not going to go to the ER. So when they look at the numbers it shows a higher fatality for helmets because you either wrecked yourself to the point it didnt help or walked away without needing any attention at all.
 
Fuck I gotta buy a new one for snowboarding I eat shit way too much and nail my head. Since I am going to only hit New Hampshire this winter the terrain just won't challenge me enough on skis I have to 1 plank.

Tree skiing I am far less cautious and always hit bigger branches than I should if I have a helmet on.

I'm not trying to be obnoxious or anti helmet but I am not sure its a good thing to never ski without a helmet. I feel like it would give you too much of a false sense of security at all times.

Its also ridiculous when people wear them on 50+ degree sunny days and don't get to enjoy the warm air sun and wind on their head.

But again to each their own. I know I want one if I am going to snowboard anything but super cautious.
 
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