NICK BERG

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you motherfuckers need to shutup about how u think we need to bomb the shit outta iraq for this! read this fucking article my friend wrote for his website (his site is linked in my signature!):

As I'm sure you all know by now, American Nicholas Berg was kidnapped in Iraq and beheaded by Al-Qaeda extremists on video. That was the big story.

Kudos to Nick Berg's father Michael for having the courage to use this tragic occasion to talk about not just the effect, but the cause as well. And shame on the mainstream media for not covering it. However, I'll be fair here. My local NBC news affiliate had a short blurb on this story, and of course NPR had a little coverage, but it has been wholly inadequate.

First, perhaps I should explain that Michael Berg is staunchly anti-war. The quote aired on NBC was something along the lines of (paraphrasing): Everyone is born with good intentions. Unfortunately, the people who killed his son were forced into such drastic circumstances due to the environment in which they live.

It's (I feel) a wonderfully optimistic thing to say— that the killers of his son have some redeeming good— and I would hope that, under similar circumstances, I would be able to understand and even sympathize with my son's killer. And I would hope that I would have the courage to stand up to the Bush administration in such a courageous way, to use those fifteen minutes of fame in a positive manner instead of just asking the country for pity.

And let me say it again: shame on the mainstream media for refusing to cover the story of this man— a man uniquely qualified to comment on the war (more so than perhaps even the president of the United States, considering Mr. Bush has not lost a family member to civil unrest in 'post-war' Iraq). The media did not show this kind of journalistic restraint when airing the blindly nationalistic and ultimately simplistic views of the family of Mark Hamill, kidnapped truck driver for Halliburton.

I can come nowhere near to imagining the amount of grief this man is feeling, and the disappointment of being subjugated by the mainstream media when his message becomes even the slightest bit controversial is even worse.

It all goes to show that the media has no interest in presenting alternative viewpoints (although the antiwar movement is hardly 'alternative'— more like a 50/50 split). Why? because alternative viewpoints don't sell. People want explosions and cheerleading and defined categories of 'good' and 'evil,' and that's just not the way it works. Of course, farther-left networks like NPR are better, but only by a small margin. What's the solution? I don't know. Any truly responsible network that aired truly 'Fair and Balanced™' news would be vastly unpopular.

I don't know. I never said I had all the answers.

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some people might call the actions of the father 'opotunistic' rather than 'optimistic' and in case you havnt noticed, the berg story was till backseat to the prison abuse story( did you know that there was abuse in the iraqi prisons? amd theres pictures of it!?!) my sympathys to the berg family, but the bottom line is that nick didnt have to be there... i dont think anyone knows exactly what he was doing there, so to blame the admin is kid of silly. this guy is just using his day in the spotlight to preach what he thinks is right. i personally dont really care what he has to say.

-you think you can take us on... you and your cronies-
 
^Dead on as usual. I bet when he got the news, the first thing he said was, 'My son's dead? Oh thank God, now I have an opportunity to preach nonviolence!'

Opportunistic? Give me a break.

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Youve gotta admit though, its 1000x worse when the video of your sons murder is watched by millions everyday, many of them probaby laughng or making jokes out of it. just not the kind of publicity you really want

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well said JD. I agree that the media is a huge mindfuck, and I can gaurentee that it is manipulated daily by the administrations, as it has been since radio was first invented. Berg's story is almost to gory for TV, and I think that's a big reason it isn't covered.

-Pat Melvin

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ross, who makes jokes about that? I honestly almost threw up.

-Pat Melvin

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'Who's not 18 yet? What? LA LA LA LA LA LA! I can't hear you.' - Jay
 
^ You would have to be one cold motherfucker to laugh at the beheading video. I don't understand though how you guys get this media conspiracy idea. The media is liberal, so if anything I would think alot of you lefties out there would be on the same side as the media. I don't get it.

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I'm just gonna throw in an apology to anewmorning here, because I came across a bit drier than I intended. Sorry about that.

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Media is liberal my ass. Ever seen Wag The Dog? I'm not saying it's this extreme, but it goes with the administration. the media we see on tv, news wise (CNN Fox NBC ABC CBS) is all tied into the government.

ABC Nightline was going to run a memorial remebering the US casulties from Iraq, but one of it's parent companies (who owns a large percentage of their stations) blocked it. Reason? it was damaging to the Bush Administration, whom they were a large financial suporter of.

-Pat Melvin

WBP|films

'Who's not 18 yet? What? LA LA LA LA LA LA! I can't hear you.' - Jay
 
^I'm in complete agreement with that.

Does anyone watch crossfire? I'd like to hear what some right wingers think about that show. Do you guys find it balanced? I often find CNN to be fairly conservative, actually.

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I’ll be loving you

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Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
mabey I missed somthing b ig but I didn;t see anything funny in that article

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my mom doesn't know the difference from a computer and a toaster so I thought we would get her a computer that is a little more like a toaster!

we got her a macintosh

 
By bombing the shit out of iraq, ure gonna kill more innocent people. That means there will be more Nick Bergs. On both sides. You think they wont retaliate? Whoever thinks that is one stupid SOB. They killed 3,000 people because we indirectly killed them. Now what do you think is gonna happen when we are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians.

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the guys who behead are ghetto man, one of em has an uzi and hes like, YOYO ima behead this BITCH

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yea 4 reel foo, hat guy is likE wat BytchZ, yu beez goings to getz yur hEd cUTTT of!! Bust a cap in ur As

-Michael Lifshitz-
 
Melvs asked if anyone was making fun of Nick Berg. Well a local radio station HAD a dj that decided it would be funny to play the audio of the Berg killing on the radio. While he was playing it he was making fun Nick teh entire time. The DJ was quickly fired but I sitll couldn't believe that this fucker was sick enough to maek fun of something so terrible.

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^One less stupid ass DJ polluting the airwaves... The whole thing is a trajedy made even worse by it being widely available for viewing... Thing is Nick Berg was killed in cold blood, they sawed his head off, and that image will be burned into my brain of them hacking that last piece of his neck off... Ok so... You can't make fun of his death, what the fuck are you giong to do when you got an angry muslim sawing your head off? You going to make jokes while he slices through your throat? We don't know what he was doing when he was kidnapped, apparently he was directed to leave the country but refused, it's weird that in these circumstances he was somehow singled out and kidnapped. His father's reaction was weird if you ask me, he was sympathetic to his killers? Something is fucked up with that, on top of that he uses this to attack the Bush administration, who is not innocent in the matter of our situation in Iraq, but at the same time they're not responible for his sons death. There's too much going on in this world to get hung up on this, granted it was a terrible thing, and in no was constructive to the insurgents cause other than giving us more of a reason to not take any prisoners, but it goes to show how far these people will go to make a point. They're testing us...

 
Just thought I'd jump in here-- I wrote the article at the beginning of the thread.

First of all, I must say that calling Michael Berg 'opportunistic' is perhaps one of the most cynical things I have ever heard. It seems like a lot of people who posted in this thread feel that Michael Berg's reaction to his son's behading was a little odd. To that I would reply that to truly understand his position, you must be familiar with a school of thought (to which I belong, as did my entire family far back into the mists of time) that there is no possible scenario in which killing somebody will solve your problems. They can postpone the inevitable; they can even make the problems go away. But they will never truly be solved. What can be gained by the capture and execution of Nick Berg's killers? Justice? Justice for whom? Michael Berg? He doesn't want it. Justice for Nick Berg? I'm assuming that Nick shared his father's passion for nonviolence, but even if he didn't, he's dead. He could care less. Who, then? The American people? Us Americans are already up to our eyeballs in 'justice.' We deal it out so readily now that we barely stop to think what it will acomplish and whether it is even, in fact, just.

Are we teaching them a lesson? To whom are we teaching this lesson? The people we kill? Call me crazy, but I don't see death as a learning experience. Will the people of Iraq learn from this? What will they learn? They weren't implicit in Berg's death. What message will we send by mowing down Iraqis who may or may not have had any involvement in Berg's death in the name of 'justice?'

I'm not sympathetic to Berg's killers. The killing of Berg is just as reprehensible as any killing on the part of America. But the true goal of the killers was to incite violence. By retalliating, we are serving no one and are only giving them what they want-- a reason for more resistance.

For anyone interested, I will be starting a thread on the topic of nonviolence.

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fuck the articles, fuck opinions, fuck the press. this is what happens in war you shitheads.

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while you're at it, fuck the war, too.

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I'm an atheist/moralist.

My parents were hippies. Both my grandfathers were Mennonite conscientious objectors in WWII. It's complicated.
 
I have seen that video.. It is discusting... I don't have ANY IDEA of whats going on in theirs brainwashed minds... If anyone want the link, you can send me a personal message...

Go Norway!
 
soem kid in my school thinks this is a conspiracy...i just had to say that..its not how any body should be killed..he did nto desirve that

 
Pat, there are plenty of sickos in this world that would laugh at that stuff. I can name a few in my school at least

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