Newschoolers...here's a fair warning.

if this is just a move to avoid low ratings then i doubt anything will ever be done about it...think about the other shit bush has on his plate right now...not that hes doing a good job but why worry about pirated mp3s when the economy is shot to shit?
 
no no no. you kids just don't get it, each pirated mp3 file creates an actual pirate, who in turn works for al qaeda, who is the reason our economy is shit.

Duh.
 
How are they to prove if you pirate music? If you have limewire downloaded? No. They ask where you get a song you can say you got it from a mix cd or something, they can't tell if you actually downloaded it online unless they catch you in the process.
 
there's no way they can possibly take so many electronic devices. its just a way to scare people into not downloading pirated music
 
so its a little more serious, but not bad.

"...someone copying a 50 songs from a boxed set could be liable for $7.5 million in damages instead of the current $150,000..."
 
From my understanding (and its very limited) that when ever a song is bought (DRM free) or ripped, your id3 tags (info that tells you what the name, artist, album, etc) get updated with your computers info (bios/chipset/rom/etc). So when you look at someone's collection of music and it includes id3 tags telling you that the owner is some other computer you can tell if the file is pirated. ...sneaky bastards.

No clue if this is actually 100% true but I believe it...

In regards to Bush not doing anything with it its not him that will its the evil RIAA. They are the bastards that were suing grandmas and single parents over songs being downloaded by their grandchildren needing something for class... and these people were being tracked by super controversial ways via their ISP.

I take reading this new law with a grain of salt but the glory days of Napster are over (RIP those were the good ole days!) but I still very very very rarely use limewire (and its related programs).

Good luck to all those that do "break the law" but now-a-days I have too much on the line to flirt with a RIAA lawsuit.

Anyone got anything to back me up or do i have the "burden of proof" upon my shoulders?
 
i have a program that lets me edit my id3 tags...but i don't live in the states and even if i did i would never let anybody anywhere near my computers, especially somebody looking for something to incriminate me.

your country sucks.
 
...more of my tirade...

The economy is sucking big time for the record companies too. They have been feeling major pressure for years now (even back when the economy was kicking) because they have been very slow to adopt to a changing paradigm in regards to the distribution of music, the change from physical media to digital media.... Record companies have been selling less and less CDs (high margin) and more and more digital downloads (low margin) so their overall margins are sucking and profit is disappearing (relatively, they are still raping artists left and right and living fat!). Less money in their pocket makes powerful record company people angry so they get their industry watchdog (the almighty dia-RIAA) to start banging heads. The record companies are blaming their ever increasing financial doom on people "pirating" music so the RIAA lobbies for laws like the one mentioned above to give them the "legal" ability to hunt down "pirates" and make examples of them....

I am assuming the reason Bush passed this is because some major record company made some political contribution to the GOP in exchange to have their puppet (Bush) pass something to allow the rich to get richer... (stopping here before I really get worked up..)

DISCLAIMER - this is totally just my opinion. I used to stay really up to date on this (in college I ranhttp://www.dSounds.com ) but have moved on to other things now.
 
So am I right? Can you see different id3 tags from "borrowed" or downloaded songs? I have never spent much time comparing the tags on songs from different sources.

I believe the RIAA was doing [mean] shit in Canada and Australia too... ???
 
they can show if you got it off of a website, but that's only if the website you downloaded from decided to put their URL in the info, it doesn't do it automatically. sometimes if i download a song there will be some body's username or something where the URL should be, showing that the song came from them, or something of that sort. nothing indicating where exactly the file came from.

if anybody was trying to do something here in Canada, there wouldn't be anybody around to enforce it. we have a shortage of cops, spies, pretty much everybody who would be allowed to do that kind of work. not to mention the fact that we don't have time for this shit.
 
fuck. why can't they just move on from a dying technology and use this as an opportunity to adapt instead of bitch and moan.
 
its absolute bullshit all of this i mean why pay 10 bucks for a cd that u might not have the money for instead you can go onto the internet something that we all have and download something that is on there so many times for free. its pretty rediculous that they wont let us keep something that is free and literally takes about a minute to find. either they gotta lay off and stop fining peopel shit loads of money or find a way to control and regulate music downloading
 
I would say so. The government isn't going to raid some kids house and fine him millions for stealing a couple of Nelly Furtardo albums.

This is only going to affect thos who are profiting from it or up/downloading gigantic quanities including pre-releases etc.

Take oink.cd for example. When that got shut down the cops had access to the unencrypted emails of every single member. From memory there were only 5 or 6 who got charged.
 
"Users from 23 university networks were included in this round of lawsuits, which is over three times more then the last round of lawsuits from the RIAA in mid-December.Then universities targeted include Georgetown University, Harvard University Medical School, Old Dominion University, Ohio State University, the University of Kentucky, Michigan State University and the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor.The RIAA said it was stepping up its enforcement on college campuses as. The RIAA has noted that instead of stealing music there are now 230 vendors that sell music and about one million songs available on ÒlegitimateÓ pay-per-download sites."

-http://www.dsounds.com/archives/002300.html
 
millions, if not hundreds of millions of people have pirated music, it's financially impossible for the government to prosecute even a fraction (lets say 5%) of illegal downloaders and fining them without our society collapsing. Can you imagine 5 million people being prosecuted for downloading music?
 
lol, you fail.

-iTunes sells tracks and videos that are DRM-free or DRM-restricted, they have been doing so since October 17, 2007.

-Napster Store now sells DRM-free music

-mp3s made by Sony used to incorporate Sony's OpenMG DRM technology, until they realized it was only playable on computers using Windows and Sony hardware

-CDs that use DRM are not playable in all CD players, because they are not standards-compliant CDs, and therefore are actually CD-ROMs. they have also been known to crash Windows computers when played on a Windows computer. EMI was the last publisher to use DRM on their CDs, and audio CDs containing DRM are no longer released by any major publishers.

n00b. DRM is ineffective and inefficient.
 
i can see it now
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5/8/2008--Passed House amended.

Prioritizing Resources and Organization for Intellectual Property Act of 2008 -

Title

I

-

Enhancements to Civil Intellectual Property Laws



Section

101

-





Amends federal copyright law to: (1) provide a safe harbor for

copyright registrations that contain inaccurate information, unless

there was knowledge of the inaccurate information and the inaccuracy of

the information, if known, would have caused the Register of Copyrights

to refuse registration; (2) provide that copyright registration

requirements apply to civil (not criminal) infringement actions; and

(3) require courts to issue protective orders to prevent disclosure of

seized records relating to copyright infringement.

Section

104

-





Broadens the trademark infringement situations in which treble damages

are allowed to include: (1) intentionally inducing another to violate a

trademark; and (2) providing goods and services necessary to the

commission of a violation with the intent that they be used in the

violation. Doubles the minimum and maximum statutory damage limits for

trademark infringement.

Section

106

-





Prohibits the importing (current law), as well as the exporting, of infringing copies of copyrighted works.

Title

II

-

Enhancements to Criminal Intellectual Property Laws



Section

201

-





Amends the federal criminal code with respect to intellectual property

to: (1) revise criminal penalties for infringement of a copyright by

permitting repeat felony violations to be interchangeable, for

trafficking in counterfeit labels or packaging, and for causing serious

bodily harm or death while trafficking in counterfeit goods or

services; and (2) revise current civil and criminal forfeiture

provisions for copyright infringement, as well as add new restitution

and forfeiture provisions.

Section

203

-





Authorizes the United States Sentencing Commission to amend certain

federal sentencing guidelines and policy statements regarding whether a

defendant should receive an upward adjustment in the offense level on

the grounds that exportation introduces infringing items into the

stream of foreign commerce in a manner analogous to the manner in which

manufacturing, importing, and uploading such items introduces them into

the stream of commerce.

Title

III

-

Coordination and Strategic Planning of Federal Effort Against Counterfeiting and Piracy



Subtitle

A

-

Office of the United States Intellectual Property Enforcement Representative



Section

301

-





Establishes within the Executive Office of the President the Office of

the United States Intellectual Property Enforcement Representative (IP

Enforcement Representative) to formulate a Joint Strategic Plan for

combating counterfeiting and piracy of intellectual property and for

coordinating national and international enforcement efforts to protect

intellectual property rights. Prohibits the IP Enforcement

Representative from controlling or directing any law enforcement agency

in the exercise of its investigative or prosecutorial authority in

particular cases. Establishes an interagency intellectual property

enforcement advisory committee to develop the Joint Strategic Plan

against counterfeiting and piracy under subtitle B of this title.

Subtitle

B

-

Joint Strategic Plan



Section

321

-





Requires the IP Enforcement Representative to submit a Joint Strategic

Plan against counterfeiting and piracy to the President and specified

congressional committees every three years. Requires that the plan

include programs to provide training and technical assistance to

foreign governments to enhance those governments' efforts to enforce

counterfeiting and piracy laws.

Section

322

-





Requires an annual report on the Office's activities to the President, Congress, and the people of the United States.

Section

323

-





Repeals provisions establishing the National Intellectual Property Law Enforcement Coordination Council.

Section

324

-





Authorizes appropriations to carry out this title.

Title

IV

-

International Enforcement and Coordination



Section

401

-





Directs the Under Secretary of Commerce for Intellectual Property and

the Director of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) to appoint

at least 10 additional intellectual property attaches to work with

foreign countries to combat counterfeiting and piracy of intellectual

property. Sets forth provisions providing for the duties, assignment,

and training of such attaches.

Section

404

-





Requires the Department of Commerce's Inspector General to perform

yearly audits of the intellectual property attaches and report to the

House and Senate judiciary committees on the audit results, including

regarding activities and effectiveness.

Section

405

-





Authorizes appropriations for the training and support of the

intellectual property attaches appointed under this title and of other

Department of Commerce intellectual property attaches.

Title

V

-

Department of Justice Programs



Subtitle

A

-

Coordination



Section

501

-





Establishes within the Department of Justice (DOJ) the Intellectual

Property Enforcement Division to be headed by an Intellectual Property

Enforcement Officer (IP Officer).

Transfers

to the Intellectual Property Enforcement Division the functions of the

Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section of the Criminal

Division of the Department of Justice that relate to the enforcement of

criminal laws regarding intellectual property rights and trade secrets.

Requires that the Intellectual Property Law Enforcement Coordinators of

the Department of Justice to whom this title applies also be in the

Intellectual Property Enforcement Division.

Subtitle

B

-

Law Enforcement Resources



Section

511

-





Amends the Computer Crime Enforcement Act to: (1) modify grant programs

for combating computer crime to include infringement of copyrighted

works over the Internet; and (2) authorize appropriations for the

grants.

Directs

the Office of Justice Programs of DOJ to make grants to state and local

law enforcement agencies to combat intellectual property theft and

infringement crimes. Authorizes appropriations.

Section

512

-





Directs the Attorney General to: (1) review Computer Hacking and

Intellectual Property (CHIP) units, provide such units with additional

support and resources, and coordinate unit activities with

corresponding state and local activities; and (2) direct each U.S.

attorney to review policies for accepting or declining prosecutions of

criminal cases involving intellectual property law violation.

Section

514

-





Authorizes appropriations to carry out this subtitle.

Subtitle

C

-

International Activities



Section

521

-





Directs the Attorney General to deploy five additional Intellectual

Property Law Enforcement Coordinators in foreign countries to protect

the intellectual property rights of U.S. citizens. Authorizes

appropriations.

Section

522

-





Directs the Attorney General to increase DOJ training and assistance to

foreign governments to combat counterfeiting and piracy of intellectual

property. Authorizes appropriations.

Subtitle

D

-

Coordination, Implementation, and Reporting



Section

531

-





Requires the IP Officer to ensure that activities undertaken under this

title are carried out in a way consistent with the Joint Strategic

Plan.

Section

532

-





Directs the Attorney General to report to the House and Senate

judiciary committees on actions taken to carry out this title,

including regarding the IP Officer's activities.

 
Jun 30, 2008 5:07 PM - I've heard that if you

illegally download music, this bill would allow the RIAA to seize your

computer and all other equipment used for piracy. True? - Read Answers

Answered by a visitor on Oct 14, 2008 4:02 PM - Yes. And potentially

your house, car, or anything else they can say "Facilitated" or was

used to commit "piracy". Examples: Your HDTV (because you viewed a

downloaded movie), your Blu-Ray player (Obvious) your Entertainment

system (Listened to copyrighted MP3's....) Ipod, Laptop, etc etc

whatever then wish to take.

Add another answer.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-4279&tab=analysis

 
But doesnt this just mean they can seize it IF they catch you? its not changing the actual laws regarding going after the person in the first place. so will it really change?
 
did they mention the people sued prolly had a terabyte of pirated shit

not that im claiming to know/ but i am curious how much music the average sued person had
 
Looks like I'm using PeerGuardian all the time again... I'm not that concerned but an entirely pirated 6000+ song library sounds like it'd translate to a pretty hefty fine. Might as well play it safe.

Cliffnotes: Use PeerGuardian, then you don't have to sweat it.
 
i dont really think that provides THAT much protection.

but unless you download waaaay more than that i doubt youll get caught, as someone elses said i wonder what amount of music the people that have gotten busted have had

also, ill ask again, isnt this really just increasing what they can do IF they catch you? so it shouldnt really change much
 
I am pretty sure its also setting up a new department and new office of National Intellectual Property Rights Administrator. Which sounds rather retarded.
 
exactlyy what i was thinking!

this new thing is pretty much Bushshit

im not scared at all

free downloads baby
 
all you little shit heads not paying for your music. these artists are going broke. they cant afford their multi million dollar homes anymore. there having to settle with homes that can only fit 4 cars in the garage, their pool wont fit 900 people anymore, their kids can only afford private schools in the U.S. what next?
 
I don't feel bad pirating some of my music, but a lot of underground hip hop and stuff I feel terrible about. I have no problem taking money from record companies, but when it's artists who work hard for what little they have it bugs me a bit. When I eventually have enough money to support some artists I will. I also want to make sure most of the money is going to them and not a label. Songs like this make me feel bad about pirating music, but what do you do...

 
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