New York passed a new law today.

13249849:J.D. said:
Personally I'd like to taze half the people in this thread.

Here is what apparently happened.

1. Dude was committing a minor criminal offence.

2. Police attempted to detain dude.

3. Dude resisted arrest.

4. Police officer subdued dude, using the method he was trained to use in these situations.

5. By some fluke (i.e. he had a health problem), this resulted in dude dying.

SCENE.

I'm not sure what you expect an officer to do other than exactly what he was trained to do in that situation. Unfortunately, sometimes even when you follow the correct procedures to the letter and do everything by the book, bad results occur. That's life.
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you know what`s funny is that you guys always claim to know Fox News is a lot of lies and propaganda but in these recent cases all i see on newschoolers is a lot of agreeing with everything they have to say.
 
13249973:k-rob said:
you know what`s funny is that you guys always claim to know Fox News is a lot of lies and propaganda but in these recent cases all i see on newschoolers is a lot of agreeing with everything they have to say.
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I agree. Of course Foxnews and NYPD claim it was all procedure. We can see the video. We can see his hands up. Resisting arrest for a petty charge leads to 6 cops on top of him. It is horrible. They didn't mean to kill him but come on!

I remember being younger and closed minded and I used to get so much shit on NS. Fast Forward 10 years (I had a different account) and I view life differently but still not the majority. I would lean more to the left now, and NS used to be more liberal... Now you got dudes saying these "criminals" deserved it. So many more examples too that it seems way too much foxnews watching...
 
13248888:k-rob said:
it's also illegal to film the police murdering someone now, as the guy who filmed it so the whole world could see what these cowards did is now facing an indictment, what a joke.
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wasn't he arrested for unrelated weapons offences?
 
13249597:k-rob said:
and this comes back to part of the problem, which is that these officers either aren't trained correctly, or are ignoring their training. i personally have been tazered twice in the chest while surrendering and crying and freezing outside in minus 30 degrees celsius, and then while i was unconscious my hand was stomped on and broken. however, that was canadian cops, and instead of just murdering me like an american cop would have have, they broke protocol in two ways, one being that they aimed for my torso, the other being that they hit me twice at the same time. i got the bill for the ambulance, which i wouldn't have needed if it wasn't for them, but the thing is, they can only send the bill to the police if i'd actually been charged with something, according to the stupid fucking law, so because i hadn't done anything wrong, i'm supposed to foot the bill. my mom wrote to our mayor and he got it paid off (i love my mom). anyway the point is that i could tell you 4 other times where cops have broken protocol and hospitalized me but canadian cops just aren't dumb or mean or racist enough to actually shoot me in the fucking head so thank glob my parents stayed here. i imagine that if i did live in the states i'd be too busy protesting to waste my time on newschoolers.
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What were you doing to get tazed twice and get your hand broken? And why didn't you respond to my comments on your thread "lemme put it this way"?

Cops will do there job, I am not saying I agree wtih the killings, just some food for thought.
 
13249870:.Hugo. said:
And this dude would have lived, but he happened to be overweight and was asthmatic. 99% of people would not have died if put in the same situation
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also i bet like 50% of americans are overweight and asthmatic. he didnt have some obscure, unforseeable medical condition. fat asthmatic people shouldnt be at risk of dying when theyre getting arrested, thats ridiculous.
 
13250116:yuck said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J-SzqUqIEM

someone embed this for me
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instead of
 
13250122:yuck said:
also i bet like 50% of americans are overweight and asthmatic. he didnt have some obscure, unforseeable medical condition. fat asthmatic people shouldnt be at risk of dying when theyre getting arrested, thats ridiculous.
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So because there is a chance someone has asthma they should be let go? Makes sense. Again it just comes down to him resisting.
 
13248612:cornholio said:
"Police union officials and Pantaleo's lawyer have argued that the officer used a takedown move taught by the police department, not a chokehold, because he was resisting arrest and that Garner's poor health was the main reason he died."

cooperate with police and you won't find yourself in that situation. there's no way in hell the cop just walked up behind some random dude and choked him out. don't be a dipshit and stuff like this won't happen to you.
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This is the most absurd logic yet people try to apply it all the time. "Well if they didn't do this ______________"

It also doesn't justify the act but instead dances around it and shifts the blame. Also you're not perfect so stop acting like it.
 
13250137:.Hugo. said:
So because there is a chance someone has asthma they should be let go? Makes sense. Again it just comes down to him resisting.
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Clearly they know who he is, and where to find him. Maybe let him calm down, and send down a supervisor to talk to him if they do have a real issue and weren't just harassing him.
 
13248703:saskskier said:
I feel like you probably aren't telling us something.

I've been pulled over only a few times in my 14 years of driving and each time was because I did something wrong. I don't know anyone who has randomly been pulled over for DUI checks, let alone multiple times.
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Maybe in 14 years of driving you haven't driven enough or are just lucky. You 100% can have a completely legal car, be doing the speed limit, driving fine, and get pulled over. It happens all the time. It's not even a rare occurrence
 
13250153:theabortionator said:
Maybe in 14 years of driving you haven't driven enough or are just lucky. You 100% can have a completely legal car, be doing the speed limit, driving fine, and get pulled over. It happens all the time. It's not even a rare occurrence
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definitely. I had a professor in college that was an ex-cop and said they would pull over cars just because they could tell the people were teens. From either a packed car, stickers, obnoxious lights, backwards cap etc...
 
13250137:.Hugo. said:
So because there is a chance someone has asthma they should be let go? Makes sense. Again it just comes down to him resisting.
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nah thats not what im saying at all really. you can restrain an asthamtic person without killing them. there is a middle ground here that you dont seem to see. it lies somewhere between "letting them go" and "suffocating them"
 
13250189:yuck said:
nah thats not what im saying at all really. you can restrain an asthamtic person without killing them. there is a middle ground here that you dont seem to see. it lies somewhere between "letting them go" and "suffocating them"
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They didn't suffocate him. He died as a consequence of his asthma. Having your head pushed on the ground, having your body restrained with downward force -- those are well within proper protocol for arresting someone who's resisting.

How about you try to take someone down who weighs more than two and a half of you. Raise their center of gravity until they topple over. It just so happens that the neck/shoulder area is best for this.
 
13250259:Miomo said:
They didn't suffocate him. He died as a consequence of his asthma. Having your head pushed on the ground, having your body restrained with downward force -- those are well within proper protocol for arresting someone who's resisting.

How about you try to take someone down who weighs more than two and a half of you. Raise their center of gravity until they topple over. It just so happens that the neck/shoulder area is best for this.
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fuck it. Just skip the energy and shoot him next time. He was a criminal thug anyway. Why not?
 
huh okay well imma tap out of this thread, i have exams to study for. half the time NS is like FUCK THE POLICE. now, when most of the world is siding with the victim, people here are siding with the cops. regardless, its a tragedy.

i will never understand you strange little boys
 
13249849:J.D. said:
Personally I'd like to taze half the people in this thread.

Here is what apparently happened.

1. Dude was committing a minor criminal offence.

2. Police attempted to detain dude.

3. Dude resisted arrest.

4. Police officer subdued dude, using the method he was trained to use in these situations.

5. By some fluke (i.e. he had a health problem), this resulted in dude dying.

SCENE.

I'm not sure what you expect an officer to do other than exactly what he was trained to do in that situation. Unfortunately, sometimes even when you follow the correct procedures to the letter and do everything by the book, bad results occur. That's life.
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I usually stay out of these arguments, but thank you. Honestly, I've never given an officer a reason to have any issues with me. When talking to an officer, I'm extremely polite. Don't break the law, then the officers won't have to hurt you. It's that simple.
 
13250263:louie.mirags said:
fuck it. Just skip the energy and shoot him next time. He was a criminal thug anyway. Why not?
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Not a single person in this thread has said anything close to that
 
13250277:.Hugo. said:
Not a single person in this thread has said anything close to that
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more in response to how people are blaming the dude for dying. When he had his hands up and he gets choked out. If that is a technique to bring him down, fine. Enough to kill him though???? Also in response to the Ferguson case. Regardless if self-denfense or not, so many people saying he was a criminal anyway, and that's what you get for resisting arrest. People bringing up that he just robbed a store.
 
13250290:louie.mirags said:
more in response to how people are blaming the dude for dying. When he had his hands up and he gets choked out. If that is a technique to bring him down, fine. Enough to kill him though???? Also in response to the Ferguson case. Regardless if self-denfense or not, so many people saying he was a criminal anyway, and that's what you get for resisting arrest. People bringing up that he just robbed a store.
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his hands were up because he was pulling them out of the cops hands when he was trying to put them behind his back. How would you have brought him down? Like i said earlier the chokehold was not meant to kill him or harm him. They had no way of knowing he would have an asthma attack.

I never heard or saw anyone say that he deserved to die because he robbed a store, but if they did they are idiots.
 
13249849:J.D. said:
Personally I'd like to taze half the people in this thread.

Here is what apparently happened.

1. Dude was committing a minor criminal offence.

2. Police attempted to detain dude.

3. Dude resisted arrest.

4. Police officer subdued dude, using the method he was trained to use in these situations.

5. By some fluke (i.e. he had a health problem), this resulted in dude dying.

SCENE.

I'm not sure what you expect an officer to do other than exactly what he was trained to do in that situation. Unfortunately, sometimes even when you follow the correct procedures to the letter and do everything by the book, bad results occur. That's life.
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They aren't trained to use choke holds though, the NYPD has a policy disallowing them, or at least they ay they do.

The thing is, while the guy resisted arrest, and he was selling cigarettes on the street, what he did is nothing compared to what is said to have happened in Ferguson, where the guy robs a store, and then attacks a cop, before getting shot. Here, you have video of an obese man being illegally choked and restrained by a cop while 4 or 5 others stand watch over him because obese 45 year old men are known to be extremely agile and deadly.

Neither officers are indicted, but one of them definitely should have been.
 
13250042:gnarballsianm said:
What were you doing to get tazed twice and get your hand broken?
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crying in the snow. nothing worth charging me over, every time (i don`t have a criminal record but have been hospitalized by police a few times), but then neither is murder, i guess.
 
13250040:VinnieF said:
wasn't he arrested for unrelated weapons offences?
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oh i'm sure it's got nothing at all to do with the fact that he filmed a video of 5 cops murdering some dude. i could get Dorian Johnson to tell a lie if i just shot his friend in the head twice for jaywalking, i could find something to charge a random witness with if they threatened my job security, i could literally do anything i fucking want if i was part of the american justice system.
 
13251125:k-rob said:
crying in the snow. nothing worth charging me over, every time (i don`t have a criminal record but have been hospitalized by police a few times), but then neither is murder, i guess.
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Something tells me there's more to the story than just "crying in the snow".
 
13251396:Barefootin_Fiend said:
Something tells me there's more to the story than just "crying in the snow".
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i had kicked a door in my house down about half an hour earlier
 
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