New York Investigators Obtain Fraudulent Ballots 97 Percent of Time

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Report: New York Investigators Obtain Fraudulent Ballots 97 Percent of Time

By John Fund

New York City’s Department of Investigation (DOI) has just shown how easy it is to commit voter fraud that is almost undetectable. Its undercover agents were able to obtain ballots for city elections a total of 61 times — 39 times using the names of dead people, 14 times using the names of incarcerated felons, and eight times using the names of non-residents. On only two occasions, or about 3 percent of the time, were the agents stopped by polling-place officials. In one of the two cases, an investigator was stopped only because the felon he was trying to vote in the name of was the son of the election official he was dealing with.

Ballot security in checking birth dates or signatures was so sloppy that young undercover agents were able to vote using the name of someone three times their age who had died. As the New York Post reports: “A 24-year female was able to access the ballot at a Manhattan poll site in November under the name of a deceased female who was born in 1923 and died in April 25, 2012 — and would have been 89 on Election Day.” All of the agents who got ballots wrote in the names of fictitious candidates so as not to actually influence election outcomes.

Last year, guerrilla videographer James O’Keefe sent hidden cameras into polling places around the country to demonstrate just how easy it is to commit voter fraud and how hard it is to ever know it happened. In Washington, D.C., one of his assistants was able to obtain Attorney General Eric Holder’s ballot even though Holder is 62 years old and bears no resemblance to the 22-year-old white man who obtained it by merely asking if Holder was on the rolls. In New Hampshire, poll workers handed his assistants ballots in the names of ten dead people. After a public outcry, New Hampshire’s legislature passed a photo-ID law over the veto of the state’s Democratic governor.

But opponents of photo-ID laws scoffed at O’Keefe’s revelations. The Department of Justice, which is currently suing Texas to block that state’s photo-ID law, dismissed the Holder ballot incident as “manufactured.” The irony was lost on them that Holder, a staunch opponent of voter-ID laws, could have himself been disenfranchised by a white man because Washington, D.C., has no voter-ID law. Polls consistently show that more than 70 percent of Americans — including clear majorities of African Americans and Hispanics — support such laws.

An even richer irony is that it is the people Attorney General Holder purports to speak for — the poor, often minority, inner-city residents — who suffer the most from voter fraud.

As law professor Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit noted: “Many of America’s largest and worst-governed cities suffer from entrenched and corrupt political machines that maintain their position in no small part via voter fraud. Corrupt machines (like that of Detroit’s disgraced ex-Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick) siphon off money that should go to essential services and instead divert it to political fatcats and their supporters.”

But after O’Keefe’s stings, the elite media once again yawned and dismissed concerns about voter fraud. New York magazine asked if it were possible to organize fraudsters to go to different polling places to vote for a particular candidate. “Sure, it’s probably doable,” they concluded. “But it has never happened. . . . National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often [as voter fraud happens].”

But how would we know fraud had occurred if procedures are as lax as New York’s Department of Investigation found? If one of the undercover agents had cast a vote for a real candidate, would any of the dead people, felons sitting in jail, or out-of-city residents have complained? “It could be the perfect crime because once a secret ballot is cast you can’t go back and identify one that’s fraudulent,” former California secretary of state Bruce McPherson once told me. “Because it’s so hard to detect is why strong prevention measures against fraud, like clean voter rolls, voter ID, and better security on absentee ballots are vital.” The issue of dead people on the voter rolls is a real one: A 2012 study by the Pew Research Center found that nationwide that are at least 1.8 million deceased voters still registered to vote.

The New York Department of Investigation’s report doesn’t address the serious issue of absentee-ballot fraud, where at least a paper trail to catch fraud can be created. But it does highlight a troubling case indicating that voter impersonation Chicago-style is still with us. The report noted that the Gothamist newspaper had reported that in New York City’s September primary election:

People had attempted to vote for other registered voters at IS 71, a poll site in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. DOI spoke with four poll workers assigned to IS 71 who cited multiple instances of young men they believed were attempting to vote for other registered voters at IS 71 during the 2013 primary and additional instances during the 2013 runoff election. Two of the poll workers recalled instances where young men who appeared to be 19 or 20 years old sought to vote as registered voters who were in their thirties or sixties based on the dates of birth recorded in the registration books. One of the poll inspectors stated that she asked some individuals to confirm their dates of birth, after which they typically walked away without voting.”

The city’s Board of Elections monitored that polling site for the rest of the day but how much hanky-panky could have been happening at the city’s other polling places? The DOI report paints a scathing picture of a Board of Elections chock full of political patronage employees and rife with “systemic problems with accountability, transparency and dysfunction.”

As the New York DOI report demonstrates, it is comically easy to commit voter fraud in person, and, unless someone confesses, it’s very difficult to ever detect — or stop. The Gothamist reported that police officers observed the problems at IS 71 last September but did nothing because voter fraud isn’t under the department’s purview.

Opponents of photo-ID laws — which the DOI report does not address — claim they will block people from voting. But there are very few cases of legitimate voters who have been unable to have their vote counted because they lacked ID. People who show up without photo ID at the polls are allowed to cast a provisional ballot that is counted after proof of identity is offered.

“From voter fraud to election chicanery of all kinds, America teeters on the edge of scandal every November,” writes Larry Sabato, the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia and author of a comprehensive survey of voter fraud called “Dirty Little Secrets.” The fact that so many people want to thwart legitimate and prudent efforts to improve ballot integrity has become a scandal in its own right.

 
yea it's crazy the amount of opposition for something that just makes sense. this is the integrity of democracy vs having to renew a card every 5 years.
 
Yeah. And my apologies for the wall of text, but I thought this was pretty shocking.

Basically, the election results, in many cases, are decided by how many people a candidate or party can motivate to commit voter fraud. If more popular candidates can't get elected because the process is being hijacked, we no longer live in anything that resembles a Republic or a Democracy.
 
what's the statistic on how much actual voter fraud is commit each election?

first link when googling "voter turnout 2012 election" http://elections.gmu.edu/Turnout_2012G.html

58%? really? I'm not convinced an ID law is needed when 40% of the country can't even make it to the ballot box. A candidate would have to have an army of people (with corresponding deceased, incarcerated, or whatever names to vote with).

and this website that I know nothing about. http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

maybe the first step in the solution to the "problem" of voter fraud isn't ID's to vote but that the proper steps be taken by those orchestrating elections to remove ineligible or deceased voters from the system.
 
They should have them, but remember that the last time they tried to require them was like a month before a major election so that would have been a major issue if they tried to enact it then. Right now though, I say absolutely!
 
Yes. The issue with voter ID laws isn't trying to preserve the integrity of elections, its the way they have been enacted and pushed. Who currently doesn't have ID's? Mostly poorer demographics, so a fast push to get new ID laws right before a major election is pretty unfair towards those groups. Same with certain groups trying to get rid of mail in ballots because more young people use them than any other group.

Now would be a great time to enact some election integrity laws, when there isn't much to gain from anyone other than a more pure voting environment. Give's the left plenty of time to ensure everyone has ID's and gets the laws, and plenty of time to iron out any kinks in a new system.
 
Yep. My friend's dad does this all the time, he goes and votes for everyone in his family. Somehow even gets away with pretending to be his wife/daughters
 
I'm not sure how the voter rolls are created, but I would agree that those need to be cleaned up.

What this article points out is that, if these people were allowed to cast fraudulent votes 97% of the time, then there is no way to tell how wide spread voter fraud is. Any study looking into how widespread voter fraud is is going to be only a wild and often biased guess, because only the ones who get caught are counted. Clearly, it is way too easy to get away with it, and you have to be really stupid or unlucky to actually get caught. Remember that someone in the last election was able to walk up, ask if Attorney General Eric Holder was on the voter roll, obtain his voter card and use it.

My guess is that groups like Acorn and other political groups do organize armies of people to commit voter fraud. Even if only 58% of U.S. citizens vote, that doesn't mean that their vote should be irrelevant, because 2 dead people, a few pets , 3 supermax prisoners and a handful of people who aren't even from the U.S. voted for the other candidate. If elections aren't fair, we are basically living in Afghanistan.
 
Hmmm, pretty sure the vast majority of people have no problem with requiring an ID and background check to purchase a firearm.

Are there any states that don't require an ID to buy a gun from a gun shop? Honestly don't know, but in GA (pretttty conservative) you are.
 
Not really this thread is about voting seems vary relevant to the thread. Even with Voting fraud I doubt it changes the out come of any current election in ny. although it is a problem I'm sure there are other states where it can/does make a huge difference.
 
Not even Snowball 1 is immune?

"I can't believe a convicted felon would get so many votes and another convicted felon would get so few."
 
Since the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., lawmakers have been revisiting the issue of background checks for gun buyers, debating what information you should have to give the government to buy a gun, and what the government should be able to do with that information. There's that old saying, "Follow the money." I decided to follow the guns. Or try to.

The first gun -- a pump-action Remington 870. It's the most popular shotgun ever made.

Bob Arthur owns Shooters Supply, in Berlin, Md.

"It has that distinctive sound that everybody knows," he says. "You can get them in long barrels, short barrels. This one has an 18.5-inch barrel. It's compact, so that you can keep it in a closet and it'd be ready for quick use."

To buy one, I would need to fill out a 4473 -- a six-page form from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

I'd have to write my name and address. My Social Security Number is optional. And there's half a page of "yes or no" questions.

"Have you ever been convicted in any court of a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could have imprisoned you for more than one year, even if you received a shorter sentence including probation?"

"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

Arthur has to write down the type of gun -- the make and model and the serial number. Then, he calls the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division, in Clarksburg, W.V., and he gives them only the most basic information: name, address, driver's license number.

"They give me a 'yay' or 'nay,' and out the door you go," he says. "It's quick and easy. And we take credit cards."

That form, the 4473, won't go anywhere. By law, Arthur has to hold onto it for 20 years. That means, the FBI doesn't have anything close to a complete record of what guns are sold.

 
D., Snowball was the one voting and guys who were serving time in Sing Sing were also voting. Apparently, all you need is a name. They either can't check to see if the person is actually eligible to vote or don't bother to check.
 
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