New ski company
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AngryGramps
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14433427:skierman said:
*perception*
Mackaroni_space
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14433427:skierman said:
Yup. It’s summer.
Young_patty
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14433424:AngryGramps said:
Lol I think Line's website says the exact same thing.
Cool skis tbh, nice price too. My only question is how will they fit into the V/Jet beef??
Like I haven't any of their athletes to shit talk people, I haven't seen a single snarky DM, I haven't seen any memes, I haven't even seen kids argue about them on NS.
What's your end game Misfit skis??
JLev
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14433142:c-fries said:
Love the fresh approach to the tip shapes! Always great to have more brands and ideas and designs to contribute to skiing's overall creativity. THANKS FOR THINKING DIFFERENT!!!
Regarding delam... from my experience it happens most when a tip slams down on the snow flattening out the tip materials causing sheer forces to separate the layers of materials and often the wood tip separates from itself.
The impact of a tip against the concrete when standing the skis up on their tails or smashing into the end of a rail is very different type of delam, it's much more impact related than flex related. Usually the smaller the mass at the point of impact, the more damage that will occur.... only time will tell.
You'll notice on Line's fish tail skis there is 2 small points of contact on the tail so they used a thick block of aluminum that absorbs the impact best to reduce delam, so there's less materials to separate upon impact. Other skis that are very directional you'll see in the tail they use a block of rubber just so when stood vertical on concreted they don't get damaged. Lots of ways to accomplish impact resistant tips so there is no wrong way, just got to start smashing variety of skis in a consistent controlled test and you'll quickly see how each different construction and shape compares.
[tag=209275]@J_skis[/tag] our tips are 100% composite with multiple layers of plastic and fiberglass and no wood, for us it's proven to be the most delam resistant from slapping ski tips down. Definitely not the only way, but to date has worked best for us so we rarely see customers with tip delam.
IsaacNW82
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14433424:AngryGramps said:
There are some very high quality Chinese factories that will make a fine ski, and the price point does suggest to me a Chinese OEM. No hate from me, you can make a fine ski in China and carry that cost savings onto the customer.
That being said, I do think that companies that build their own skis do have a small advantage in quality because they can integrate their design/engineering and manufacturing efforts closely. Its just harder to do when you have a time zone difference, physical distance, and maybe even a language barrier as well. The tradeoff of course is you can't leverage economies of scale so it will be more expensive and take longer to scale up production.
Graham0596
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14433424:AngryGramps said:
I got no problem with skis made in China. It just feels a little suspicious that they won’t clearly say where they’re produced.
As someone who was interested, I’m not down to give 500$ to someone I don’t know, especially when they aren’t transparent
Chunderface
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14433424:AngryGramps said:
Quality isn’t my concern with Chinese made skis. I’d just rather support companies that actually make their skis here. For a new company to dodge questions about where their skis are made is whack though.
Graham0596
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14433476:skierman said:
Lmao you got me, def not buyin
Graham0596
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14433485:huey69 said:
It’s not about where they’re made… it’s about the people who make them not answering a question that’s completely reasonable
SKIIIIAN
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To those asking about our manufacturing process, we have skis being made both in the US, in China, and by homies by hand in our factory. I don’t care if people know the origin of our skis, but I’m not going to blast the specific manufacturers information as you have to keep some competitive advantage, hopefully you can understand. And for the comments on only dropping a 106, this is our first ski going into production, we will eventually have a 96 and 116 and a more complete size run in the coming years as we are able to grow and have more money to throw at this, you don’t see jet with more than one ski, and just now adding a second size. Our goal is to have a reasonably priced product that anyone can enjoy. Hopefully this answers some of the loudest questions.
Chunderface
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14433541:Celery said:
The fuck makes you think I ride v’s dude?
WoFIowz
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14433529:SKIIIIAN said:
Wait. So they're all priced the same? Do they all cost the same? How does one ensure American made if that's what they're looking for? Also hope your logistics are good because supply chain issues are the hot topic right now, and even hotter with all this conflict in the East. Your China connection could go poof in an instant. A new company like yourself would struggle to recover without significant capital in that circumstance. Good to have that backup of US production I guess. You're like the apple juice guys who say my apple juice contains juice from 3 separate countries lol.
But also why make production models in the US by hand when you could just make them all in China? Personally I'd feel a bit robbed if I had to pay the same for a Chinese product but my buddy got one made in USA for the same price.
Also what about tariffs? What happens when the US raises tariffs on Chinese imports? Really weird that you say you have 3 factories: one in US, one in China, and one for building by hand...yet they're all priced the same.
Maybe consider a base and a pro model? Base model made in China. Pro model made in US with slightly beefier ingredients. Or have the US facility for R&D and demos while the "oem" factory is for production models that you sell.
Idk just like to question everything. Lots of ski startups on here.
WoFIowz
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Some other stuff from my adhd. Why is there a dot under the S? I get it for the initial "i" but man is that bothering me.
Google can't find you. I stopped looking after 50 results.
Are they measured before or after pressing?
Who makes the sintered base?
Yay on listing specs and construction stuff. I can't stand when companies leave this shit out... especially turn radius, like [tag=225826]@VISHNU[/tag] neglects to include ?
That black topo background on your website would look sick as a topsheet
Nice price point if these pan out as decent skis.
Google can't find you. I stopped looking after 50 results.
Are they measured before or after pressing?
Who makes the sintered base?
Yay on listing specs and construction stuff. I can't stand when companies leave this shit out... especially turn radius, like [tag=225826]@VISHNU[/tag] neglects to include ?
That black topo background on your website would look sick as a topsheet
Nice price point if these pan out as decent skis.
SKIIIIAN
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14433785:HypeBeast said:
The S in the logo is comprised of two question marks, that shape is our secondary logo that will be used for base cutouts, apparel etc.
Google doesn't recognize us yet off a search as the website is so new and I am still figuring out search engine optimization, might just have to throw some money at google.
We measure before pressing, and the prototypes are noticeably longer than other skis we own at the same "length".
The production model will use isosport base and our hand builds will most likely be using durasurf (just what we can get our hands on, both are extremely solid options).
If there are any other construction facts people want to know, we are not afraid to add them to the website.
We have plans for topsheet graphics in the future, some sick ones on the back burner, we wanted the first drop to highlight the shape and ride and to focus less on visuals. Thanks for the rec. on the topo.
In terms of pricing, we will sell our skis from our Chinese order, and then when we run out, we will hand build to match any demand, (this is all entirely reliant on demand). All skis are built and tested by us first and exact specifications and even physical skis get sent to china, and to be honest the quality of skis from china in this day in age isn't really a question if you use the right manufacturer. For example, a lot of DPS is made in china and no one bats an eye on their durability. We would want to be made 100% in the USA, but for this first run we wanted the best price to consumer, and frankly no one in the US had room for our order this year, and in my previous comment on us having a US manufacturer, we plan on using them for the following seasons as we are now waitlisted. Also, having multiple options will help us in the future as we expand our line up. K2/Line use like 3 or 4 different factories, this isn't uncommon.
Lastly, the comment about using beefier materials for anything hand made ect. its hard to get hands on any materials right now, so going against the standard is nearly impossible, eventually we want all of our bases and edges to be thicker like a onep, our other materials are already whats best on the market.
hopefully this answers a lot more questions.
WoFIowz
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Yeah it did answer all those questions. May I ask why you went with 1.2mm base vs a thicker one? Durasurf 4001, while not the fastest durasurf base is a common one with indie brands and much thicker. Is that the durasurf you are referring to as the backup? Compared to big box brands you're no less in terms of construction components, but just curious why 1.2mm
14433907:SKIIIIAN said:
IsaacNW82
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14434237:HypeBeast said:
durasurf 4001 is just a material type, it can come in a variety of thicknesses. Maximum base thickness is realistically driven by the edge profile you use, so even if you buy a 1.8mm base, on a standard edge profile it will need to be ground down to fit the edge anyways
IsaacNW82
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14434317:HypeBeast said:
Well, there are multiple edge profiles that correlate to edge width like 2.2mm for example so I can't really answer that directly. I think 1.2-1.4mm is pretty standard edge thickness but don't quote me on that.
I know ON3P uses a 2.5mm x 2.5mm edge that allows a 1.8mm base material, and that's the thickest production edge and base I know of. I think I recall Scott saying you would need a custom order far larger than any park ski production run to convince an edge manufacturer to build a thicker edge for you.
BradFiAusNzCoCa
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They look sick and they have a great price point. I’m a fan
CharlzHub
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These look mad cool, love the tip shape. I’m not sure about it helping with delams, you might get one side of the tip delam with the other staying intact which I guess is better than the whole thing delamming like a regular tip shape, but the idea behind it helping cap your nose and blunt grabs is very clever. Good luck with sales! I very much hope the company succeeds