New Park Ski Need Help
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Neihartcatshart1
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I’m guessing since you are on newschoolers you and me share some common values. Do not get fucking poachers. Please. You will understand when you are older.
Kundera
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Unfortunately ON3P doesn't make the Mango 90 in 191 like the Jeffreys. But they have it in 186, if you're willing to pay the price.
Armada offers the ARV94 in 185.
The Volkl Revolt 90 exists in 186, I've always heard good things about it, it depends on your program, but personally I don't like the brand.
And the eternal Vishnu, you can check reviews for Wet Plus or Key, they are still in stock in 189.
Armada offers the ARV94 in 185.
The Volkl Revolt 90 exists in 186, I've always heard good things about it, it depends on your program, but personally I don't like the brand.
And the eternal Vishnu, you can check reviews for Wet Plus or Key, they are still in stock in 189.
Christian_Bale
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I think you'd want a ski that's approximately your height, give or take. In my personal opinion, 184 would be too short. Also keep in mind that wets feel much shorter than they are so realistically 189s are gonna feel more like 184s. I believe surface are now selling skis that are 190.
keagan.karstens
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Armada Arv100 comes in a 186
Faction Prodigy comes in a 189
Vishnus come in 189
Volkl Revolt104 comes in a 188
Surface giver comes in a 190
On3p Jeffrey 102 comes in 191
If you’re on the east coast and are only gonna be skiing park I’d recommend the Vishnu Key. Assuming you’re planning on getting tech on rails I’d stay away from anything over a 102. But if you’re like me and don’t progress and just cruise, the revolt 104 might be pretty fun.
Faction Prodigy comes in a 189
Vishnus come in 189
Volkl Revolt104 comes in a 188
Surface giver comes in a 190
On3p Jeffrey 102 comes in 191
If you’re on the east coast and are only gonna be skiing park I’d recommend the Vishnu Key. Assuming you’re planning on getting tech on rails I’d stay away from anything over a 102. But if you’re like me and don’t progress and just cruise, the revolt 104 might be pretty fun.
SchizoSkier
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14566451:Neihartcatshart1 said:
Don’t listen to this kid he’s the biggest poser on this site. Poachers are solid ass skis I’ve never had bad experiences with them.
realdealski420
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14566494:deke_ski said:
This was never funny btw
realdealski420
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Your a little kid if you think the 189 wets are a meme it’s legit just a ski (mediocre ski made in china)
SchizoSkier
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14566592:lfloyd10 said:
I fucking love my poachers, I don’t know anyone who doesn’t like theirs.
Brother_trucker
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topic:lfloyd10 said:
Sort of depends on the type of skiing you like to do. But that said, my guess would be that you don't like soft flappy skis much. So I would assume big air is more the thing. What I like in that dept is a ski that holds edge very well so it feels planted on carving take offs and solid on landings. So I prefer something stiffer. I don't spin much these days as I'm getting on a bit, but do on occasion and switch land now and again. My favourite ski ever is the Atomic Theory from 2012. That was a genuine one ski quiver and awesome park ski to boot. Had plenty camber under foot, was nice and stiff, and no rocker worth talking about. It didn't waste the effective edge by tapering off into the tip or tails, so it could carve like a GS comp ski IMO. Really solid all round performer. It was a directional twin tip with a wider front end over the tail end so it floated pretty well in deep pow. For me it is the best ski I've owned, and was gutted when the binned them from the line up in favour of selling people more than one plank to do the job.... pain in the arse.
I currently have the following:
1. 185cm Volkl Revolt 87mm
2. 186cm JSkis Masterblaster
3. Armada ARV96
All of the above are stiff, I would say in the order presented. Now, I prefer riding a more directional twin tip ski, but you don't get so much of that these days, and I hate the obsession with stupid flappy tips and tails that ARE NOT IN CONTACT WITH THE SNOW..... so are doing fuck all of any use most of the time. So none of the above have much rocker, but for sure I think the JSki and ARV96 would be better without the rocker and the tapering away from the effective edge that both skis suffer with... apparently people need lots of help to ski properly in powder.... this is mostly because people don't learn to ski properly first. And the ski industry would like you to believe that rocker will make you a ski movie star in five minutes, or that somehow this will make the ski "more surfy", or "less hooky", or helps you initiate turns" and insert other statements that indicate you don't actually want a hard skiing ski, cause you aint got the technique....
I have just purchased a set of Head Oblivion 94mm in the 184cm length again. These are supposed to be about the longest effective edge around and a directional park ski, which IMO is also wide enough underfoot to make it pretty handy off piste as well. Most importantly it also seems to have not much rocker going on, and zero tapering away of the effective edge at tip and tails. I'll be receiving them this week sometime, so will have a better idea once they actually arrive.
BLandz
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To actually answer your question tho get 189’s, they are going to feel long at first because you’re coming from super short skis but with your height 189 is the best option for sure. Unless you are very new to skiing, but if you are good at riding down the hill and just new to park, get 189’s
Brother_trucker
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14566612:BLandz said:
You can only actually answer the question if matey boy tells us what he likes doing and wants the ski to do.... I told him the info I think he needs to make an informed choice. If he doesn't like soft sloppy skis I would suggest he may also want to think about not having loads of rocker and that "modern" look of tips that start half way to the toe of the binding because the edges are tapering away long before the tip of the ski... which he will get from your Poachers.... Similarly he's going to have tips and tails that have a significant amount of rocker going on, which will give rise to that flappy loose feel, which based on the limited info that chap has offered, doesn't sound like what he is after in a ski.... actually....
jimbobs
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14566592:lfloyd10 said:
I was in your shoes last season, definitely go for it, I love my poachers. Awesome east coast park/allmtn ski. Durable as hell, really solid stiffness with a fun rocker profile. I'm 6'6 so I was a bit too tall for them. My 6'3 buddy also loved his, 184 worked great for him.
14566621:Brother_trucker said:You can only actually answer the question if matey boy tells us what he likes doing and wants the ski to do.... I told him the info I think he needs to make an informed choice. If he doesn't like soft sloppy skis I would suggest he may also want to think about not having loads of rocker and that "modern" look of tips that start half way to the toe of the binding because the edges are tapering away long before the tip of the ski... which he will get from your Poachers.... Similarly he's going to have tips and tails that have a significant amount of rocker going on, which will give rise to that flappy loose feel, which based on the limited info that chap has offered, doesn't sound like what he is after in a ski.... actually....
I like hitting rails, that’s about all we get out here on the east coast haha. And to be honest I really only been a park skier for the last 4 season, and screwed myself getting the honey badgers. I just want something more stable for my height on landings off rails and spins off jumps. I don’t do anything crazy off jumps… yet
14566623:jimbobs said:
Yeah being tall in the ski world isn’t the best haha. I am prob closer to 6’5 with ski boots on and such I am worried the 184 is gonna be short still and might go faction 189. Have you tried the prodigy 2.0? I want something more stable on spins off rails and such.
Brother_trucker
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14566617:lfloyd10 said:
Seriously, have a look at the Head Oblivion 94 or wider. And think about what you want the ski for. If you like carving and want it to feel planted as fuck while carving on inrun and on take off and landing, then the longer effective edge and lots of camber underfoot will be feeling good, as will less rocker in tip and tail. If you like the ski to be less directional and still stiff and great at carving, then something like the Revolt 87 will be good for you assuming you really only want to ski on piste or in park. Remember though, a non directional plank is shit off piste, unless its massive fat and like a waterski in terms of rocker etc... making it on piste. But if you want a buttery smeary loose feel then something more like the poacher will work better than anything I've mentioned.
muffMan.
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14566625:lfloyd10 said:
I have wides that I use for rails, sounds like keys would be great, I’m an inch shorter too. They still have them in stock, you’ll be happy with 189s. My understanding it’s a tad bit stiffer than the others, but still are fun.
Wides/wets are great for jibbing around, but definitely aren’t ideal for bigger jumps or features. I also have jeffereys in 191 mounted up 2 cm, but haven’t tried them in park yet.
Options are getting better, but still slim for taller folks
jimbobs
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14566627:lfloyd10 said:
Haven't gotten to try any faction skis, sorry boss.
The new ON3P Jeffrey 100 in 191 would hands down be the ski to get if you can swing the price. It's like an oversized poacher, similar rocker profile and stiffness, great build quality. I picked up the older Jeffrey 102 for this season, excited to try them out.
Brother_trucker
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14566627:lfloyd10 said:
Not sure how the faction prodigy stacks up vs the Candide line of skis. I've handled the Candide 1.0 and 2.0 skis so know what they are like. They are both rather soft, have a fair bit of rocker, more than the skis I own, more than the poachers as well, and I would say will be a fair bit softer also. So if the prodigy is stiffer and less rockery than these two Candide planks, could be again a bit like the poacher or the ARV96 I have. The outline shape of the Prodigy 2.0 has got a lot of the tapering I was talking about, so it is not going to be what I would refer to as "stable" on landings and takeoff, rather it will have a looser and more smeary/washy feel as you have a relatively short effective edge with this ski, over say the revolt 87 or Oblivion I mentioned.
Brother_trucker
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14566632:jimbobs said:
You may well find the ARV96 is a great fit for you if you want a less directional park ski with a bit of that looser feel. It does pretty much exactly that. You can mount at centre for parking about, and I think up to 5cm back for more directional feel, but it still feels like a less directional ski to me, even mounted for free ride. Its pretty stiff and has a good amount of camber so holds pretty well.
jimbobs
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14566635:Brother_trucker said:
I don't know if you meant to reply to me, but I'll be real, you gotta chill out. You're derailing the fuck out of this thread. OP asked about poachers, I told him about poachers. You recommended full camber skis with long effective edge. No need to debate with everyone else (including me). Let's let other people offer their input now.
BLandz
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14566621:Brother_trucker said:You can only actually answer the question if matey boy tells us what he likes doing and wants the ski to do.... I told him the info I think he needs to make an informed choice. If he doesn't like soft sloppy skis I would suggest he may also want to think about not having loads of rocker and that "modern" look of tips that start half way to the toe of the binding because the edges are tapering away long before the tip of the ski... which he will get from your Poachers.... Similarly he's going to have tips and tails that have a significant amount of rocker going on, which will give rise to that flappy loose feel, which based on the limited info that chap has offered, doesn't sound like what he is after in a ski.... actually....
This came off as weirdly condescending hahahahaha. Idk if you wanted to be, but anyways the “modern park ski” you’re talking about with lots of rocker is popular because park kids don’t give a shit about performance of the ski. The cool thing nowadays is long skis and it allows you to size up without feeling like you sized up, and yes, it does give the ski a more surfy feel. Especially if you are riding a longer ski, the rocker does help with butters and the more surfy feel
kantkorkorkfed
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14566669:lfloyd10 said:
y 2 replies?
Brother_trucker
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14566675:BLandz said:
LOLs, yeah I was being a little sarcastic using some of the language put to me in a reply to what I said initially about how to think about selecting a ski for the kind of skiing you are looking to do with it. At the end of the day the
range of different planks about these days means you need to have an idea of what you actually want. The one ski quiver is more challenging to find now. At least for me anyway. I kind of do everything, used to race then freestyle comp so need a ski I can rely on for both types of skiing. Sounded initially like Ifloyd10 was not looking to get something soft again, but good that he's indicated a bit more detail of the type of skiing he's doing. But agin it kind of show the problem you get when trying to buy planks these days. Too much choice can be a pain. And nobody really wants to have 4 pairs hanging around when one could do the trick
Brother_trucker
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14566679:lfloyd10 said:
Hi again mate, so my pair of Oblivion 94 arrived yesterday and I can tell you they are reasonably stiff, and the rocker is low at tip and tail, but is reasonably long. Like about 20cm or so in each case. So if you wanted something stiffer and still likely to be playful then this one could be your idea. The ski is more the park end of the spectrum as it can be centre mounted, but also is up to 5cm back from centre to get more directional stability. It also has no tapering away for effective edge so will hold well in turns. Anyway, hopefully the advice in the thread will help you get a decent plank, whatever you opt for. I would always suggest if you can to go try a pair out, if you can find a demo day anywhere local to you, or maybe even try hire set or two if you can get the right sticks that way. That may help you find the right feels.