Nature vs Nurture vs Destiny

Mr.Capone

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Everyone knows the question of nature vs nurture, however I just read an article synopsis that got me thinking. Here's the link

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/08/can-culture-be-genetically-encoded-new-research-says-yes.html

Basically, it says that a finch in isolation from birth can't produce

the complex intricate songs of normal finches (elders of this type of

bird are known to teach young birds) but after just 4 generations of

birds, the terrible screeching sound of the first bird evolved to the

very specific song of birds in nature.

This has some serious implications (from article and my thoughts):

- Cultural information can be genetically encoded

- The encoded information wasn't immediately

available like some kind of genetic database, but as the baby birds

learned and improved what they saw they were all along being guided by

built-in information. At every point they "thought" they were working it out for

themselves while dancing to the genetic tune. That's the kind of thing

that would make you think very seriously about free will.

- Are innate tendencies like charisma, popularity, shyness, or even success built into us?

This brings me to my second thought. I sometimes sit in class and

ponder my current position. By position I mean everything about my

current state. Where I am, what I'm studying, what I want to do with my

life, my physical condition, my friends, my hobbies, etc. I sometimes

envision the path I'm on (how my quantum wave function, or whatever, is

collapsing...at each choice or point of probability, etc, the fork we

choose or are guided to take). When I start thinking like this, I can't

help but feel like my path through life, time, existence, is already

determined and I'm just along for the ride.

Think how much your personality determines the things you do. How hard

you try in school. How good you are with girls. How you react to

situations. Everything. Our closest friends and family who know exactly

what our personality is can usually predict how we'll do or react in

situations...and it's impossible to know (be able to read) another

person in their entirety. Now imagine trying to change your personality

- the most fundamental traits of your being. I don't think it's

possible. What I'm trying to get at is that everything we do on any

given day is pre-determined. There is no reason why we would react any

differently than we do currently to the situations that are thrown at

us.

This is a very comforting thought. If you can think of life as a

beautiful ride that we have the opportunity of taking it makes it so

much easier to handle when things don't go right (meant to be for some

future event to take place) and it makes you appreciate the amazing

things that much more.

So yeah anyway, hope this brings up some discussion on genetics, destiny, etc! (posted this in ns thinkers also but I was curious to see how nsg reacts...)

Spark Notes: Culture is genetically programmed, our lives are too
 
I am still of the opinion that even though our personalities and the way we will act are partially part of our genes, the way you are raised and that environment can and generally does affect someone.
 
Im gonna agree with the panda guy there becuase for example somthing really fucked up happens to you when you are a kid like sombody very close to you gets killed or you get seriously disfigured in a fire. These events will drastically effect your personality for the rest of your life and there is no way that you were genetically encoded for those events to happen to you.

basically what i think is that you are genetically encoded to have certain reactions to things around you but you cannot effect the things that occur around you and cuase your personality to develop
 
You guys are kinda missing the point....in this example, those fires would have happened no matter what. The kid's personality is still pre-determined, it's just sometimes part of the outcome is how the kid is swayed by events. Who he was before determines how he will react to whatever happens, hence he is still just along for the ride on his life path...
 
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