My opinion on spin to win and ian cosco

weenox

weenox

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i'd first like to say that i like ian cosco...sick skier, dope steeze. however, i personally think that his "statement" at the open was dumb, and this is why:

i really really cant stand the people that are all, "ugghhh, id soooo

much rather see a smooth 3 than a semi-smooth 10 in a professional level comp." sure, i love smooth tricks

too, and i can agree that its much better to see someone style out a 3

or 5 or something along those lines than someone pencil spinning 10's.

BUT, i also think that at proffesional level comps like the open,

EVERYONE CAN THROW A SMOOTH 3/5/7. EVERYONE. if they couldnt throw a

smooth 3/5/7, THEY WOULDNT BE COMPETING. therefore, if all the

competitions turn into a bunch of pro's throwing easy ass tricks as

smooth as they can, the sport is going to turn into something like

aerials, where the judges fuckin zoom in on the athlete and make sure

that he had his elbows at 90 degree angles and shit like that.

what happened to the difficulty factor? i have friends at my home

mountain that can throw smooth 5's with nice grabs....where would

the line be drawn between them and the pro's? why isnt it better that

pro's can do something that is much more difficult while sacraficing a

little bit of style? ISNT THIS SPORT ALL ABOUT PROGRESSION? where would

freeskiing go if competitions turned into everyone doing the same exact

tricks but competing for style points rather than difficulty ?

do

you realize that tanner hall won his first x-games big-air with a swith

rodeo 7? i saw gagnier's SLOPESTYLE run (not from the open, but from

something else) and he threw a switch left side misty 9 like it was

nothing. you have to realize that if everyone is going to keep doing

the same trick the sport isn't going to anywhere, no matter how styled

out that trick gets.

and for the record, i never thought spin to win was cool. i think "do

the most difficult trick with as much style as possible to win" is

cool.

a good point for discussion: when competitions become judged on style,

isnt the judging based more on personal opinion? theres tons of people

out there that dont like t hall's style- so maybe a judge wouldnt score

him as high as someone who did the exact same trick, just with their

own style that the judge like more than tanner's. while on the other

hand, no judge can debate that a switch 10 is less difficult than a

swith 3....

and i know that it gets repetitive watching everyone do switch 10's, but maybe it's time for a rider that instead of developing his own steeze for all of his spin tricks should try and make a drastic change in the level of tricks being done. maybe instead of inventing new grabs to do with our switch tens, we need to invent a different way of rotating 1080 degrees. i'd personally love to see more technical inverts.

constructive criticism anyone?

 
maybe cosco wasnt making some huge fucking statement that was supposed to rock the skiing world....

maybe he was just having fun???

oh and i have no clue cuz im not him, and neither are you....

so why put him on the spot like it was some fucking rosa parks not getting up bullshit.
 
honestly, i think the 180 is dope, but i'd like to hear his side of it, just to clear up why he did it for anyone who's wondering.
 
dude, this is actually a good thread, its his own opinion. You dont have to agree with him I do agree with him though. why is cosco even trying to make it in the ski industry? Hes too weak to throw down (180too straight air?) and just creates controversy everywhere, and he seems to take the easy routes. there are alot of people hungry to make it and then you have some guye pulling this shit and just being lazy basically. "ohhh boohoo i dont like spin to win...Im going to be emo"
 
you have no fucking clue what your talking about??? lazy????

cosco is soooooooooo fucking sick.

hes done spin to win before, so its not like hes never done it and is a freak mystery in the ski industry.

i have seen him ride at PC and hes way fucking sick, and skiing seems to be his life, so to say hes lazy and all that shit...

fuck you. thats not right. his one performance does not justly show the rest of his ability and drive.

 
^ ur a fag i don't think you should say anything till you hear his side because you never really know what one is thinking.
 
I think most people are sick of the "spin to win sucks" argument. But I don't think Ian Cosco was making a statement at the Open.
 
when your talking about arials judging, why not think about arial tricks? sure yo udont wan thtis sport to turn into aerials judging, but would you rather have it just like aerials jumps? because as of now, our sport is headed for aerials. i mean double flips, double flip 1080? didnt i see that trick done in the olypics except without a grab? 1440s? all this seems a little too aerial to me
 
to a certain extent I agree with you. But the fact of the matter is that they aren't doing these tricks on aerial specific jumps. They can be done in any park (sorta). And skiing is moving back to the backcountry.
 
you certainly present a valid point, and i do agree with you... i just dont agree with using cosco as an example, besides that, i applaud your arguement...
 
i didn't really mean to call out cosco....like i said, i think he's a dope skier, and i've heard he's a really chill dude. i'm guess i'm not really even saying that what he did at the open was a statement, even though i can't really see any other reason for doing what he did other than to make one.

i guess i was just thinking about the whole spin to win debate going on in general. whatever.
 
I wonder if skiers get sponsor incentives per thread about them on NS...kind of like getting shots in a magazine. They should.
 
id rather see a bunch of sw 10s then slow sw 5 grabs. i think a switch 9 with a crazy grab or something should beat a sw 12 without a grab but yea id rather see progression
 
i dont care wut anyone says, cosco is sick and he can throw down. i have seen it, he was most likely just having fun which i would imagine is the reason y most ppl r skiing am i wrong? dont look to deep into things and let ppl have fun however they want.
 
Forget about Cosco, I think it's a good example, but people get pissed because they think weenox was hatin on him. He wasnt. The point is that everybody these days is hatin on TJ and the like for doing insane spins in comps. Just read what weenox has to say. It was right on the money. Competitions are about Skill and Style put together. There are hundreds and hundreds of kids who can do super sick 180's and 540's, but very few who can do a smooth switch 10 octo grab. Skiiers are just gettin lazy and retiring to the backcountry and doing 360's and 180's while other pros are keeping it real like Jon and battling it out (his 8th US open) with the young kids and kicking their asses.
 
everyone is looking wayy to deep into this. i almost guarentee that he wasnt trying to make some huge point that would cause all this contraversy he was just messin around. Everyone has those days where you just feel off and dont really want to do anything. maybe this was his "off" day. leave the man alone.

LIU KANGS FOR WORLD PEACE!
 
for the next week, until the X Games at least, Ian Cosco will be the most talked-about skier on the planet... thanks to a straight air and a 180. never thought i'd see the day...
 
Yeah.... if it was still 1998. C'mon Jeffy, get with the times. But yeah, Kangs are the kool thing to do and they do bring world peace.
 
i dont want out sport to become like arails and moguls where people are afraid to try a bigger spin becuase its harder to do perfectly... i also dont like spin to win at all. I think there needs to be a balance which is going to be hard to find
 
i don't knowhow many of you actually saw the big air but it got sooo boring progression is not cab 10 after cab 10 for a whole nigh in my personal preference what Agar threw was progression he was like 20 ft above the knoll and as uniquly corked as could be... it was so much more exciting and difficult than a cab 10
 
i guarantee he was NOT trying to make a statement. He was definitely just having fun and not giving a fuck about winning.
 
Cosco did a kang.. thats insane.. spinning or not...

I say that we should just have fun out there... screw all the technicalities and stuff... Throw the most wicked trick with the most style and the most difficulty and you win in my book...

What I really want to see though is more combinations in the air... something like a 1080 mute-tailgrab-truckdriver (or something more possible) would be insane, and certainly separate the field and progress the sport... a shitload...
 
yeah i was going to say! way to go cosco.

but maybe he wasnt trying to make a statement. maybe he decided there was no way he was going to beat a switch 12 scissor grab or whatever. so why not throw a lui kang
 
Exactly, love hom or hate him, statement or not, there are more replies to him doing a 180 and straight air than anything else about the open, personally I think he just wanted to show the crowd more than a hundred sw 10s. Competitions should be set up more like JOI a 7 and under contest and a spin too win.
 
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