MSP issue

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For some reason my account always get messed up and Ive stopped making new ones for a while because I figure its useless too but I wanted to post about this msp issue. In a lot of threads there have been some extremely unintelligent, nonsensical remarks on both sides of the msp issue. While Im not exactly in the know, Im hoping my thought process on this will help some of you think of both sides of the issue and maybe reevaluate your stance.

Start of MSP debacle

There is a phone conversation in High Five, it does exist. To the extend of what steve winter says is the footage is second rate and smaller film companies will fold in the near future. The way steve winter presented himself from a business standpoint was completely out of line and rude. I believe he was inferring to berman that the actual image quality of the footage was not at a 16mm level, not that the actual skiing was too weak to show. Steve winter basically should have said “You know josh, you footage is real sick but were going for more of a cinematographic feel with high film quality this year and I don’t think your footage would fit this style. Im real sorry about this and I think were not going to use much of your footage as we had planned. Im really sorry this didn’t work out this year but maybe next year we can put something together.� This would have been the end of story. Basically all he needed to say was the footage wasn’t matching up with our film so its not going to work out. If he wanted berman to film some of their stuff for next year he should have just said “well give you some 16 mm film and you can shoot some shots for us.� He should not have mentioned anything pertaining to sponsorship money. If winter wanted more money he should have gone to the sponsors and asked for it and if dynastar chose not to give berman money and put it all in msp, that’s bermans fault. There was no need however to mention to berman that small companies might fold.

Video distributor crisis

I have no idea the extent of validation in these claims but some have said that session 1242 sold more copies than focused and would be placed on the front of the vas catalog. Ok, lets say that statement is true. If winter was able to convince the distributor to put yearbook on the front of their catalog and advance him 100k, he made a good business deal. If vas thought msp’s business was that important that is not winters fault. Poor boyz should be mad at vas and not msp for doing this. This was a deal strictly between vas and msp and if poor boyz didn’t have the muscle its their fault.

Iberg and tanner situation

I am not sure when Winter approached cr and tanner about filming with them. For all I know winter was upset tanner never went to him for an offer and he wanted to give tanner an offer to produce his film. I see nothing wrong if winter thought he could make a better film with tanner and asked tanner to go with him. Again though, as in the berman case, its probably the way winter presented himself. If winter did approach tanner in midproduction, the message should have basically been “I know youre filming you movie with iberg this year, but we would really be interested in helping you on a project for next year. Well give you a ton of funds and backing if you want to make another movie next year and id be real interested in working with you on it,� Again, that would have helped winter for next year and not have pissed tanner off.

Sponsors and Msp

I am pretty much in the dark on what all went on here but I think I do have some valid claims. Mark Abma switched to Salomon this year. A lot of people have said msp made him switch to be in their movie and he is filming with them exclusively. First off, most of you forget Mark Abma had to fire fight during the summer to ski in the winter. He now may be making enough money to be skiing year round or getting more heli footage. Shane Mcconkey is with k2 and is still with msp, pollard is with line and msp, Ingrid is with volkl and so is jt Holmes. Hugo is with rossi. The athlete ski sponsorship is still pretty diverse. Now why did seth leave if he didn’t need to switch to Salomon? This stumped be for a big but now its pretty obvious. Dumont and Olenick are a Salomon skier but not with msp, alma can be with msp and is still in poor boyz. Pollard is also in multiple films. There is one sponsor that clearly is film affiliated though and that’s Oakley. I really think all this msp sponsorship is bullshit because it doesn’t make sense. But if you take note, hugo is the only Oakley athlete not in a poor boyz film and im not sure if hes still with Oakley. I really think it is Oakley and poor boyz made this athlete divide and not msp.

Athletes and Msp

As I have just said Oakley and poor boyz have caused the sponsorship mess. Now a claim Levine was making happened to be that msp wont share any footage with poor boyz for the one and only Oakley movie. The year before seth filmed with warren miller with no problem. Hugo is filming with warren miller this year. Now lets say msp prevented them from filming with poor boyz which clearly isn’t true from the cases above. Dan treadway is not an msp athlete. If poor boyz wanted “once in a life time segments� for their skiers, why didn’t treadway have a full segment? The only reason I can think of for this whole issue is that poor boyz was too cheap to put seth and hugo in a heli and film them. They decided to just buy msp footage. And obviously msp will sell old footage. They are not going to sell the footage for focused, they depend on that for their own movie. Again, it looks like poor boyz is at fault.

MSP also has treated their athletes pretty well. I mean After McConkey put in an amazing segment in ski movie, they still were willing to take him heli skiing and put money into him in focused after two injury years. They were the first company to take new schoolers to big mountains and continue to lead the trend. No one would know pep, cr, pollard, and Abma could ski without msp. Also, most of the younger people on this site keep ranting about how big mountain skiers are terrible in the park. You probably don’t remember but guys like mcconkey, krietler, and holmes were are in contests like the x-games and gravity games competing against jp, vinnie, Douglas and so on. Jt Holmes used to win the high north camper contest for tricks. Darron Ravles was in a warren miller movie a couple years ago, and while I never saw it, he susposedly was throwing backs and fronts off 30-40 foot cliffs in the middle of lines and that was a couple years ago. He also has done rails and rodeos so you really cant knock on his as a one dimensional skier. When I was in jaskson a couple years ago, tommy moe was on a snowboard for 4 days total and decided to the big part of corbets which is like 50 feet. I wont underestimate any of the top skiers in the sport.

Actual Film

As far as msp films go, I think ski movie 3 and focused were very well done. The footage from ski movie three was very good and focused had a very original feel and a very good sound track of reggae and bands like Damien Marley, modest mouse and judas priest. Yearbook had a pretty terrible sound track, especially that 5 part skier segment, the song is terrible. The cinematography was very good but the actual film disappointed me in some regards and the base jumping should have been a bonus feature, shanes bonus feature segment was actually incredible and should have been the film segment. The hit list trailer had some good footage but I agree theres a lot of shots that are reduced speed and the commentary reminds me too much of tgr or warren.

As far as creativity goes though, poor boyz has been less creative I would say simply because focused was so different and poor boyz has been pumping out the same shit year after year.

Ive seen strike three and high five and really didn’t see a ton of progression in film style. Musically berman uses a lot of very bad underground rap in both films. That Romanian techno song is real played out. Steeles song is original but msp also did a similar song this year in their bonus features so id draw straws here. Bermans film quality is below the big names and he has no diversity in his shots. If you watch the bonus section of focused of the msp scenic shots youd see how good of cinematographers they are. Even if berman had a huge budget, I don’t think hed just be able to know how to film out of a heli and do big mountain shots. Seth used to say hed never film with johny cause hes always missing shots. In big mountains skiing its real important you get the shot cause theres so few of them.

My favorite movie for this year was not another ski movie, I haven’t seen plehouses film though. Not another ski movie in my opinion had a very unique feel and blended shots and slow mode with normal very well. I wish it had more big mountain but otherwise id say it was the most original of the films I saw this year. I have to say the flat powder shots of sage were kinda anti-progressive for big mountain filming.

A lot of you are telling people to boycott msp and buy level 1. To me they are so different that if youre considering one, you shouldn’t consider the other. Yearbook competed with soul purpose, stimulus and impact this year, not high five. And warren miller still dwarfs msp as the filming giant. Right now I really think its good that were are a lot of companies pushing each other and taking new directions in filming. All it does it push other companies. Msp’s footage makes other companies try and capture scenic shots and berman makes others get some urban rail footage. Some companies will end up folding but its great people are taking their own approach to ski films. And yes, steve winter does seem to be a poor communicator, but I really don’t think you can blame everything on him. Seth is still with k2, and k2 is sponsoring msp this year, others claimed msp dropped jt holmes and it looks like hes still in the film. Not everyone on this site will be telling the truth and you all should be aware of that.

 
what are you, some msp rep trying to gte people to feel bad and buy your movie? go away cause im still not buying it

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Like i said I have no affiliation what so ever to any ski company. If you read my post you would have realized I did not tell anyone to buy an msp movie.

 
You know what that is very very well done. But i think the whole deal aboutwatching a film because of the production company is sooo farce. I think all film companies do a great job no matter who they are, i just like to watch skiing. I think who cares about what the bullshit is, if you think the movie looks good then who cares who made it, it is all good. I support all film companies no matter who they are.

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Ok, so I won't debate you on the entirety of your argument because I think you are entitled to your opinion, but I would like to address a couple of points.

1. You seem to be getting Levin mixed up with PBP. Levin may have had his affiliations with Johnny in the past, but he works for Armada now. I P.M.ed him the other day and he told me that he was not doing any work on the film this year. I don't know of any of the screen names of people who actually work for PBP that have gotten on here and weighed in on this issue at all. So blaming them is a red herring. If you are unhappy with the talk that is going on you should address it to others. I have been told in the past that Johnny doesn't really get on NS any more for the simple fact that he doesn't want to get involved with this dialectal tension. It's counterproductive.

2. I don't know what went on as far as 1242 or VAS is concerned, but it seems that MSP has had a longstanding relationship with them. Great. When there was a big axe behind the swing (Oakley) they seemed happy enough to accomodate for what turned out to be a great movie by putting 1242 on the cover. Essentially the same business tactic that MSP uses. Again blaiming PBP is a red herring here.

3. As far as sponsorships are concerned, I don't particularly care whether Abma stayed with Salomon or went to K2 (I personally like the way K2's ride better, but what do I know?). All I know is he put together 2 sick segments together last year and I hope he does the same this year. He deserves it. As far as Seth not wanting to shoot with PBP or other companies in the past because of missing shots, who knows. You said it yourself,you're not an insider. Neither am I . But I know from the credits of 1242 that PBP has Tom Ericson, one of the best shooters in the business(formerly of MSP), TBC has Ostness, another great shooter, TGR has awesome shooters as well (The Jones bros. etc), and I really dont know who Holmes used, but he got some sick shots. So he could probably write his own ticket withwhomever he wanted to shoot. (I believe Oakley and K2 have athletes with all of the film companies).

To qualify my arguments, I have no afialtion with any of the companies, but I personally like TBC (push) and PBP. The TGR teaser didn't look half bad either, surprisingly. What I am is a lowly student in SLC who cares about the sport. I think MSP puts together some good segments each year, but the benefits of these big sponsorships and high cost shoots has its pitfalls, one of them being the pressure to produce longer segments (there are few people who I believe deserve two songs in a movie.) I personally don't like watching skarachuting. I don't particularly like the idea of gates on big mountain, but you are entitled to your opinion on that. I think Darren Rahlves (or is it Bode?) may surprise. Racers often times turn out to be sick riders. Look at Jon. I personally won't be buying a movie. But don't use my opinion. Think for yourselves.

This whole issue reminds of South Park where they set up a fight between Tweak and Butters. We (NS'ers) are pushing two sides to fight because people want to see drama. But why can't we simply drop the issue. We all have one thing in common. We love to ski, or watch skiing or shoot skiing, or whatever. Whatever happened to that passion for skiing? East coast jibbing, big mountain, whatever. It's all good. When you're skiing next to a total gaper with jeans and a Starter jacket on, think to yourself, "hell yeah, this guy is probably having a good time." and ski on your merry way

This is the same tension that started to rock the snowboarding industry about 4-5 years ago. Look what happened to them. Several awesome companies went tits up.

In conclusion, I appreciate your input on this issue. I wish more people would approach this topic with such cander. It's unfortunate that this had to turn into a pissing match on the web. I won't weigh in on this again, but I thought I would add my two sense to the discussion in the hopes that the conversation can at least be moved in a civilized direction. Thanks for your attention. Go skiing.

 
You definitely put up a good post. Sorry about the Levin mistake, it sounded like he was with pbp from his posts. I wasn’t blaming poor boyz for the vas situation. I was merely saying vas will do whats in their self interest. If Paris Hilton mades a naked ski video and its selling, vas might put it on the cover. Msp is going to try and get more advertisements and so is poor boyz, vas will listen to whoever gets them more money in the end. I was saying if pbp couldn’t get on the cover because it couldn’t convince vas to do it, then its not msp’s fault. When you go and buy a car, a car dealers going to try and sell you one, doesn’t mean you have to buy it.

I brought up the abma issue cause so many people were blaming it on msp and saying he sold out. Careers are pretty short in skiing and making money to ski isn’t selling out. I agree that k2 skis are better but people are treating them like the perfect big company. If you remember they moved their ski production to china because of financial reasons yet no one is saying k2 is selling out by doing this. Also it isn’t like salomon is a bad company. A lot of people ski with them and they have innovated with the 1080 and then the first pipe specific ski. Maybe abma has a deal to design a ski, we really don’t know why he made his decision but I don’t think msp had much to do with it considering k2 is sponsoring their film and a lot of salomon riders aren’t with msp.

While I am not an insider, seth Morrison did directly say to me he didn’t film with Johnny cause he was always missing shots. That was a lot of skiers complaint about him. It looks likes hes getting some heavy weight cameramen to do the filming for him and I think it’s a great move if hes trying to get more diverse shots. Maybe getting top guys cause seth to switch.

I brought up Oakley cause it seems odd that every Oakley athlete’s featured segment is with pbp.

I definitely agree there was too much parachuting in yearbook and it would have been bonus and maybe a couple shots mixed into the film. As far as rahlves, ive never seen him on film but hes been in pictures in magazines before and looks like he rips. I tried to find this old freeze or freeskier article, where a big man skier like mcconkey or Morrison talked about how good rahlves is. He has been featured in freeze and freeskier before and was in the people vs. brad holmes so msp isn’t exactly breaking him unto the scene. In interviews hes always ripped on pure racers like herman maier that don’t go out and ski. Hes talked about hitting the park and going heli skiing every year. That gate clip was definitely pretty different but remember in 1242 they have a jon clip of him racing and no one mentioned that shouldn’t be in the film. If its just one shot I don’t see it as a big deal. Ive heard he rips so id expect him too. I did get this quote though and I think it shows what hes about:

“There was a quote by Tanner Hall in the latest edition of Freeskier. He said he could ski down any downhill on the World Cup, might not be as fast as us, but a racer would never drop into a pipe. That's b------t, 'cuz I love to freeski and hit the park. I've done rails before and dropped into the pipe and hit the jumps in the springtime. For a kid like that at the top of the sport of freestyle skiing to say that ... he should be educated more and know what's going on.�

Im definitely looking forward to teddy bear, war, and hit list and im sure some other movies will come out of no where and get my attention. If people only wanna buy level 1s movie that’s great. I just don’t think you should use scare tactics so people don’t buy another movie or claim it to be something its not. One kid in the real long thread mention how high five had a lot of bigmountain footage. People really need to just validate their opinions a lot more and not use bullshit to convince people. You definitely had a good reply and its good that other people are actually thinking about it and not just posting crap.

 
i like the face that we have gone this far down a post about MSP and havent heard the words like

"fucking idot"

"MSP is gay as aids" ....etc

this is good stuff that yall are bringin to the table so keep on keepin on guys

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Allow me to end the nice civil discourse because the sheer volume of bullshit you put into that original post irks the hell out of me. Here is why you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

Video distributor crisis

"This was a deal strictly between vas and msp and if poor boyz didn’t have the muscle its their fault."

This entire paragraph makes you look like an ass, basically. So large companies automatically get to stomp all over the smaller ones, thereby making it next to impossible for the smaller companies to grow? That sounds like it'll be GREAT for the industry! Taking advantage of your position in the industry to more or less blackmail a company when you know the results will be suppressing other companies is a good business decision. It's also extremely poor ethics. If MSP is confident in their product, they can rely on the product itself to sell, not maneuver themselves to make sure they meet figures. I can't believe you're supporting this kind of tactic in this of all industries. Personally, I'd like to see the interests of skiing advanced... not the interests of MSP. And saying "It's PBP's fault, they can't overcome blackmail and stacking of the deck against them" makes you sound more than a little retarded.

Iberg and tanner situation

"For all I know winter was upset tanner never went to him for an offer and he wanted to give tanner an offer to produce his film."

Hahaha, ok, the problem here was that MID PRODUCTION, Winters basically tried to steal the film from PBP by offering Thall and CR a lot of money without even telling the film's producers. That's not "I wish Tanner would film with us", it's "Let's see if we can score a surefire top selling jib flick while completely ruining PBP in the process." If you think that's level business, I weep for you.

Sponsors and Msp

K2 gives MSP a lot of money, too, so whatever with Abma. It's been pointed out that Abma is the perfect MSP rider anyway since he looks sick in slow mo but his style looks odd at regular speed. I don't really care what Abma wants to do with his career, that's his decision, and I doubt MSP could "make" him do anything he didn't want to. But if you doubt for a second that Salomon dumps an amazing amount of cash into MSP to have their riders featured, you, sir, are utterly clueless. As for Pollard... wellllllll...

Athletes and Msp

"The only reason I can think of for this whole issue is that poor boyz was too cheap to put seth and hugo in a heli and film them."

Here you reveal yourself as a complete idiot. This isn't a big production company that makes millions upon millions in sponsor dollars, it's a small company that has made enough good ski movies to be recognized. They cannot afford to start shuttling people around in helicopters all winter long. It has nothing to do with being cheap, dumbass.

"They are not going to sell the footage for focused, they depend on that for their own movie."

The footage they did sell was editing room floor junk. I'm not going any further into this one, but suffice it to say it went further than "we're not giving you our A-level stuff from this year".

" MSP also has treated their athletes pretty well. "

All I have to say here is; T-hall, CR, Seth, Tron, DC, and others who will remain nameless will never be filming with them again because of how they treat riders, how they treat competitors and how they treat people. Yeah... they're great guys.

 
I think theres just a general lack of creativity across the board when it comes to ski movies--at least compared with snowboarding movies.

It's growing, and i think as the sport matures it'll stop being about "progressing the sport", and ability will be less of a distinguishing factor between pros. Everyone will be at such a high level that creativity, style and personality will be more important.

I think plehouse is moving in the right direction with their films, Iberg did something new and different with wski, and I'm excited to see how teddybear crisis turns out. I think we'll always have companies that stick by their somewhat repetitive formula such as poor boyz or MSP, but in snowboarding you have the same thing with companies like Mack Dawg. It's all flavors, we'll just have more to choose from in the future. Right now the vanilla is getting kind of boring.

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While we are all writing essays, I thought I would throw this in:

There are some things in life that are so very different and opposite that they end up producing similar effects. Love and hate is a great example of this. They mean completely different things. Love is generally taken to be a positive thing, whereas hate is considered to be negative and hurtful, but both are both capable of producing the same horrific outcomes. Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet is a great example of the terrible effects that can spawn from both love and hate. In this tragedy, several people die because of their love and hate for one another.

The problem with both love and hate is that they are both so extreme. When anything in life is that extreme, be it an emotion or otherwise, it creates a potential for disaster because it makes for an imbalance. When things are out of balance, they have a tendency to go haywire. This phenomenon is what I like to call a “see-saw effect� because, much like a see-saw, love and hate are very hard to keep in balance. Sooner or later, some unlucky soul gets catapulted into oblivion. Similar things happen when an abundance love and/or hate are involved. It is just a recipe for disaster, having too much love or hate in the air.

Hate is more universally accepted to be a cause for pain. Not many people are going to find that terribly new or shocking. Even so, if there was any doubt of its heinous effects, Romeo and Juliet thoroughly stomps them down to a pulp. It shows what happens when there is intense hate between two families. Terrible things occur because of this rivalry. For example, in act III, scene I, there are two brutal slayings (Mercutio and Tybalt) caused because the two families hate each other. What would have been just a little squabble (or, at worst, a fist fight) turned into an all out hardcore stabbing session.

When one looks deeper at Romeo’s slaying of Tybalt, however, it is clear that it wasn’t just caused purely because of Romeo’s hate for the Capulets. Rather, it was caused (at least in part) by his love for Mercutio, whom Tybalt killed. Because he felt so strongly for Mercutio, it was easy for him to lose his head and get launched off of the see saw by making a stupid and ill-advised decision that ends up haunting him for the rest of the book, eventually, bringing him to his death. In this case, his love for Mercutio led to his increased hate for Tybalt. It seems as though, even though love and hate may be opposites, they are still connected in a circular pattern. Much like the saying “you must go west to get east�. In this case, Romeo did just that.

In addition, love is also the main cause for the deaths of Romeo and Juliet. They both kill themselves because of their extreme love for the other person. They feel that without one another they simply can’t go on, so they both commit suicide. It is my belief that, had they not loved each other so strongly and felt those extreme emotions, they would not have been so driven to kill themselves. The power of their emotions forced them to be launched off of the see saw and into their death. They lost control of their emotions, as is easy to do with such powerful emotions such as love and hate, and paid the price for it. Their rampant love for each other caused for their hate of life and living. They were completely blinded by such powerful emotions. It is a common mistake caused by a strong emotion like love.

Now, it is easy to look at this from a third person’s perspective and say, “Wow, Romeo is such a moron! What kind of idiot would go and kill himself over some girl that her had only known for less than a week?� But we must put ourselves in his shoes. We have the advantage of being able to look at it from a very clear perspective. Romeo, on the other hand, didn’t have that advantage. He was immersed in love; so immersed, in fact, that he could no longer think of anything else. That is what makes love so powerfully scary.

As is clearly demonstrated in Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet, love and hate are two equally powerful and destructive emotions that send people on a teeter totter from hell! While complete opposites, love and hate can ultimately lead to the same brutal outcome. Hopefully, people can take a warning from Romeo and Juliet and try to keep their head screwed on straight so they don’t go around killing people.

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"Ive seen strike three and high five and really didn’t see a ton of progression in film style. Musically berman uses a lot of very bad underground rap in both films. That Romanian techno song is real played out. Steeles song is original but msp also did a similar song this year in their bonus features so id draw straws here. Bermans film quality is below the big names and he has no diversity in his shots."

If you hapd any knoowledge of underground hip hop at all, or any respect for it, i think you would appreciate the music berman uses. Would you rather have a whole bunch of 50 cent and emeinem in the video? the romanian techno song was probably used as a joke, considering that bermean and freedle coty arent really the most serious guys on the planet. and about msp using a similar song as steele spence's in the bonus features of their movie, im sure this was completely intentional, since the movie companies all tell each other what songs they are gonna use. while on the subject of using similar music, i would like to point out that the second song on shane mcconkeys part was used by pbp LAST SEASON in ready fire aim for dave crichtons part. theres no excuse for that. it was the same exact song. not just similar. same. and they couldve had knowledge about it if they actually took the time to watch the movie.

i will also say that i bet about 80% of this site would agree with me that High Five was a much more enjoyable movie to watch than Yearbook. especially if the fast forward button on the remote was broken.

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I think it's been succeeded by Danzel's "Pump it Up", or Eric Prydz "Call on Me"

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so what your saying is msp has more of a problem with usibg other peoples songs than level 1 does, right?

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"Musically berman uses a lot of very bad underground rap in both films. That Romanian techno song is real played out. Steeles song is original but msp also did a similar song this year in their bonus features so id draw straws here. Bermans film quality is below the big names and he has no diversity in his shots."

Are you kidding me?!? i cannot belive you said that.

Berman produces the real ski movies. Ones you can watch 3 years after and they will still be sooooo good. With msp, i like yearbook, for the first week. I havent watched it for months, because it all gets boaring. Noone wants to be annoyed with how long a trick takes to do in the air, I just shut it off sometimes and turn on high Five. High Five had maybe 1 bad song. Thats it. And they are all original...I dont think iv heard any of those songs before. If i turn on msnp almost every song iv heard from a snowboard movie, or generally iv heard it.

But you trashing bermans movies, you have to be blind to not see how good his films are.

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VAS situation again

“So large companies automatically get to stomp all over the smaller ones, thereby making it next to impossible for the smaller companies to grow?�

I never said large companies can stomp over small companies automatically. Poorb boyz and msp both use vas, and vas can listen to both of them. If vas thinks its better to have msp on the cover after talking to them its their decision. If msp is just supposed to make a better film and then sell it because it is better, you can transition the same argument to poor boyz. Why doesn’t poor boyz just make a better film and sell it with cover or no cover? Why should they care if the cover doesn’t matter? In every industry advertising is important. If poor boyz could convince abc to broadcast one of their movies I’m sure pbp would jump on it. On a smaller scale, if msp can convince vas to promote them, its not their fault and its not blackmail.

Iberg and Tanner

Like I said Winter should not have asked tanner to switch in mid-production. That was uncalled for. An appropriate action would have just been to ask tanner to produce a movie with msp next year. Now if you link the vas situation and this together you would see how they are related. If msp convinced tanner to switch the movie to msp, it was tanners decision. Instead tanner got really upset and wont film with matchstick. VAS on the other hand, liked what msp said and agreed to new terms. I heard a rumor that poor boyz got k2 to shift a lot of their money into pbp over msp. I don’t see this as any different. If pbp can convince k2 to sponsor war over hit list that’s msp’s fault. PBP however is not “stealing,� “blackmailing� or driving msp out of business. If salomon wants to go with just msp, that’s their decision. These companies are in competition for sponsor money. If Fischer offered Johnny 10 million bucks id probably say hed take it. He wants money for filming. Oakley isn’t a “core� underground company but they definitely help him out a lot.

“Here you reveal yourself as a complete idiot. This isn't a big production company that makes millions upon millions in sponsor dollars, it's a small company that has made enough good ski movies to be recognized. They cannot afford to start shuttling people around in helicopters all winter long. It has nothing to do with being cheap, dumbass.�

That’s not msp’s fault at all. Session 1242 featured some great footage in the park. They obviously had money to take tanner and jp heli skiing and a bunch of guys to Europe. They decided not to allocate any money to hugo and seth. Both Hugo and Seth had filmed with warren miller, why didn’t poor boyz try buying from them is msp wasn’t giving them good footage? Why didn’t treadway have a long part? Poor boyz didn’t want to put any money in the big mountain action and instead wanted the park skiers to have great segments. Mcconkey always has some great footage of just skiing in squaw, tgr gets great stuff from Jackson hole. They didn’t even need to take them heli skiing. They just didn’t care how the big mountain stuff turned out. Its poor boyz decision where to spend each dollar and msp cant decide this for them.

One issue that I forgot to address is msp going to the top gun producers to tell them about the cr segment in wski106. I also think this is a dick move but also it was necessary for iberg and tanner. Whenever songs are in movies, producers check with labels about use. Berman has said how sometimes he wants to use a song but it costs too much and cant. My point is that what if the top gun producers son was into skiing and the dad sees the cr segment? What happens then? Iberg and hall get sued by a major player. It was halls and iberg’s responsibility to check with the top gun makers about the segment before filming it. I mean, say they got it cleared before hand and winter rats on them? Then iberg and hall can just laugh because they had permission already. While winter did a dick thing, it was ibergs and halls responsibility to check in preproduction.

All I have to say here is; T-hall, CR, Seth, Tron, DC, and others who will remain nameless will never be filming with them again because of how they treat riders, how they treat competitors and how they treat people. Yeah... they're great guys.

Each athlete will get do decide want they want with filming and sponsors. If skiers want to edit their own segments and ski for a smaller company, they wont go with msp. If skiers want to get more money and some heli trips they’ll go with warren miller, tgr or msp. If msp pisses some one off then they simply can not film with them. If a skier wants to make more money or get better bc footage, hell go for a bigger company. I think its great that there are these choices. MSP has helped a lot of new schoolers get into big mountains and they have kept some of the older guys in their films just because. I highly doubt they are evil.

“If you hapd any knoowledge of underground hip hop at all, or any respect for it, i think you would appreciate the music berman uses. Would you rather have a whole bunch of 50 cent and emeinem in the video?�

I actually have a ton of knowledge on rap. If you think those artists are better than nas, gang starr, biggie, tupac, mob deep, outkast, talib, mos def and others talk to anyone that’s really involved in rap. Im sorry but finger paint isn’t anywhere near illmatic. Most of the stuff have bad beats and lyrics that try and be intellectual but aren’t. Rapping about vampires and star systems doesn’t make it good rap. While 50 is a big mainstream rapper, I doubt anyone would put him near the top. Dumonts song was terrible in high 5. Yeah it had his name in it but it was a real bad song. Berman features a lot of urban, a couple bc jumps, some bonus footy of under age drinking, and some cop controversies each year and theres nothing wrong with that, I just don’t see how this is innovative compared to his previous films?

Like I said, my favorite movie this year is “not another ski movie� because it is real unique and very well edited. As a park movie, I personally place it way above high 5 and above yearbook too, but others don’t and that’s fine. In general I think every ski movie has a couple of songs that stand out but every movie could improve musically.

 
"Dumonts song was terrible in high 5. Yeah it had his name in it but it was a real bad song" Hey, dont be dissing Soul Coughing. That isn't even rap. Soul Coughing is god shit.

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"Why doesn’t poor boyz just make a better film and sell it with cover or no cover? Why should they care if the cover doesn’t matter? "

It's a matter of prestige; PBP won the sales race, and deserved the cover. The difference between a hypothetical ABC broadcast is that jumping at an offer from a network is not shady, forcing a distributor to do something is.

"On a smaller scale, if msp can convince vas to promote them, its not their fault and its not blackmail."

It's not "convincing" VAS, it's "Do it or else"; "do it or we won't deal with you anymore". That's not an argument, that's not persuasion, that's compulsion by means of a threat. That does not make me want to purchase any MSP movies.

"VAS on the other hand, liked what msp said and agreed to new terms"

Wow, I'd call that a radical interpretation of the text! If you want to put an utterly ridiculous positive spin on this, you're going to be laughed at. If I told you, "Do what we want or we'll stop doing business with you and you'll lose a bunch of money", would your response more likely be a) "Hmm, I like what you're saying here, you've got a deal", or, b) "Well, I guess we have no choice then." That question was rhetorical.

"I heard a rumor that poor boyz got k2 to shift a lot of their money into pbp over msp. I don’t see this as any different."

Back that up, and provide some context, and maybe it isn't any different. But talking about vague rumours in a lame attempt to offer some sort of basis for your argument isn't helping you.

"Its poor boyz decision where to spend each dollar and msp cant decide this for them."

Yep, the problem is that they don't have enough dollars to go around. Essentially the options were, do we buy shitty C-class footage from MSP for Seth's segment and have A-level Tanner and JP segments, or do we film with Seth and Hugo (if they even had that option, I don't know), and have nothing to put in JP's at all? PBP doesn't have the funds to do everything they'd like to, so they have to make a decision. Like I said, they can't afford to shuttle everyone around to the top of big mountains.

"Whenever songs are in movies, producers check with labels about use. "

Uh... yeeeeeeah... that always happens... hehehe.

I don't understand where your reference is going. Who should Tanner have checked with before making the movie with PBP? You say, "While winter did a dick thing, it was ibergs and halls responsibility to check in preproduction", check what, and with who?

"Each athlete will get do decide want they want with filming and sponsors. If skiers want to edit their own segments and ski for a smaller company, they wont go with msp... MSP has helped a lot of new schoolers... I highly doubt they are evil."

Based on the sheer number and conviction of the respected athletes, company representatives, filmmakers and other industry figures who say that MSP is hurting the industry and they want no part of their company, I don't doubt it at all. Evil might be a strong word, but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing them fold and not have their kind affecting this sport anymore.

 
in reference to the "responsibility to check in preproduction" comment, it was about how PBP was going to use clips from TOP GUN in CR's part, and MSP ratted them out for doing it and they had to take them out. having seen the version with them in it, it's a shame they had to be taken out.

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As the Public Affairs Officer for the Navy's Fighter Weapons School (TOPGUN), I have solicited my command to approve Johnny and the PBP guys to shoot any footage they want at the real TOPGUN school. While this is not the official footage from the Paramount Pictures Production, it does leave more opportunities for them to get similar footage and possibly help them with War. PBP is interested, however nothing is in stone yet.

 
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i agree, they might be hated and they have done some seriously gay shit. but at the end of the day they are laughing all the way to the bank. and next season when they stop making movies and start doing TV shows....they will have more money and be competing in a completely different ballgame.

so yes, they are seriously lame. but they still have followers and have tons of cash.

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i have to admit that this thread is pretty informing, although I would like it to be more anti-MSP.

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