Moving to Sacramento from Connecticut. Tahoe tips?

13680409:dan4060 said:
Cgrown,

Here is an example of what I am talking about. This is a listing on Trulia.com in the Harbor View area of Newport Beach.
http://www.trulia.com/property/3229404980-11-Mainsail-Dr-Corona-del-Mar-CA-92625

I showed my buddy this and he said it is nicer than the one where his 2.6 mill bid was rejected.

Yeah if you're looking in really nice areas, you get crazy prices. The first house I lived in after school was a total shithole, frat liveout type spot. But because it was in one of the nicest neighborhoods in the nicest city it is worth 2.6 as well. Look it up on zillow and goigle streetview to see how shitty it is 1174 Fife St, Palo alto, CA 94301.

But then again, I don't expect my first home to be in one of the nicest neighborhoods in the most expensive real estate market in the country. There are plenty of other areas in the bay where real estate is much less obscenly priced... Though still prohibitably expensive for most.
 
If you're going to buy real estate in CA, don't buy in one of the areas that's already obviously expensive, as the costs have somewhat plateau'd. Buy in an area that's still super affordable with very high upside.

Places like Castro Valley or Martinez. San Rafael, or even further inland like downtown Sacramento. Hell, you can even go with something in LaMOrinda for cheaper and it's a way nicer place to live. All of the aformentioned have extremely high upside and will likely double at current rates within a decade.

The pricy areas in the southbay and peninsula will grow in price, but not at the same rate, and a lot of those areas aren't as nice to live in. I'd live in Martinez or Castro over Shallow Alto any day. Hell, even a place like Richmond or San Pablo seems more intriguing to me what with how those areas are improving...

The South Bay is too boring to sustain the price increases it has had - the tech boom isn't always going to be centred there, and people are looking for areas with more interesting urban planning and development. Will be interesting to see how things fluctuate in the coming years.
 
13680845:WildBANimal said:
If you're going to buy real estate in CA, don't buy in one of the areas that's already obviously expensive, as the costs have somewhat plateau'd. Buy in an area that's still super affordable with very high upside.

Places like Castro Valley or Martinez. San Rafael, or even further inland like downtown Sacramento. Hell, you can even go with something in LaMOrinda for cheaper and it's a way nicer place to live. All of the aformentioned have extremely high upside and will likely double at current rates within a decade.

The pricy areas in the southbay and peninsula will grow in price, but not at the same rate, and a lot of those areas aren't as nice to live in. I'd live in Martinez or Castro over Shallow Alto any day. Hell, even a place like Richmond or San Pablo seems more intriguing to me what with how those areas are improving...

The South Bay is too boring to sustain the price increases it has had - the tech boom isn't always going to be centred there, and people are looking for areas with more interesting urban planning and development. Will be interesting to see how things fluctuate in the coming years.

Eh my folks' house has increased about 50% in the last 5 years. That's not too bad. Plus, Palo alto is an extremely safe real estate market that doesn't suffer much at all in downswings.

But curiously, why the dislike for Palo alto? If I had money and a family, idk where I'd rather raise a family in the bay area.
 
13680865:californiagrown said:
Eh my folks' house has increased about 50% in the last 5 years. That's not too bad. Plus, Palo alto is an extremely safe real estate market that doesn't suffer much at all in downswings.

But curiously, why the dislike for Palo alto? If I had money and a family, idk where I'd rather raise a family in the bay area.

Well first of all, everyone's home in the bay area has doubled in price in the last 5 years... that's just how the market has bounced back since 2007. My parents place in the east bay dropped from it's grossly inflated price of probably over 500k to maybe 150k in about 8 months, only to recover back to where it should be hovering around 400k. That's just how things have gone.

I've never had a good vibe from shallow alto. I'm a bigger fan of denser areas with more culture. I've always felt like Palo Alto and the entire south bay was a bit devoid of that. Too much suburban tract style city planning. with too much try-hard copy cat commercial development. It's the same critic I have for a lot of areas in the east bay as well - including where I grew up.

Additionally, on the Peninsula, you don't have Bart. As somebody who swears by the need for accessible and reliable public transportation, I just don't feel like the peninsula south of the Airport really does much in the way of that. Caltrain doesn't run often enough, nor is it very efficient, and the bus systems in the area, are from what I understand - horrible. That's part of why 101 and 280 are constant shitshows, not only do they connect two of the biggest cities in the country, but they also lack proper public transportation to take the load off the freeways. San Mateo and Santa Clara counties still refuse to add on the Bart tax to join the rest of the area out of some sort of idiotic spite, so I'll pass on the hour+ commute in stop&go.

On top of that, the capital you need to accrue in order to get into the market on the peninsula is outstanding... the median home value for a place in Menlo or Palo alto is like 2.5 million bucks! anywhere else on the peninsula is at least 1.5mil. It's far easier to get into the market in the east bay or even north bay without having to risk just about everything - even if you're well off. Why get a place on the peninsula requiring you to commute seemingly forever with a stupid high mortgage rate, when you can get a place almost anywhere else in the bay area for way less? I'd rather live in San Carlos any day over Palo Alto.. and for half the price of even that I could get just as cool of a house in Albany or El Cerrito. For half of that I could just Bart in from Concord or even parts of Walnut Creek. If you can afford a 2.5 million dollar home, why not just invest in the east bay anyway - get like 3 homes for the same price, rent two of them, and let them all pay themselves off while you work half as much and ski even more. Winner.

It's one thing if your job is in Redwood City or San Jose (In which case still, fuck the peninsula, and live in Los Gatos or Alamitos so you have reverse traffic and live in a nicer community and you're closer to Santa Cruz) It's another if you work in SF anyway. I'd take bart or even a fuckin ferry from the East or North Bay into the city with my bike any day over the stress of having to find parking or pay some stupid amount just so I can sit in traffic nuking the atmosphere listening to KCBS tell me for the 7th time that I'm going to be stuck behind 101 traffic because another jackass caused an accident on the Dumbarton by texting their coworker about how the beta isn't working on the new app project. Meanwhile 82 and 280 are a fuckshitstack as per usual anyway, so you'll be late for your tinder date tonight. That's the life of a 20 something enduring life on the peninsula. I'll pass, and live wayy closer to skiing for much cheaper. :)
 
13682220:WildBANimal said:
Well first of all, everyone's home in the bay area has doubled in price in the last 5 years... that's just how the market has bounced back since 2007. My parents place in the east bay dropped from it's grossly inflated price of probably over 500k to maybe 150k in about 8 months, only to recover back to where it should be hovering around 400k. That's just how things have gone.

I've never had a good vibe from shallow alto. I'm a bigger fan of denser areas with more culture. I've always felt like Palo Alto and the entire south bay was a bit devoid of that. Too much suburban tract style city planning. with too much try-hard copy cat commercial development. It's the same critic I have for a lot of areas in the east bay as well - including where I grew up.

Additionally, on the Peninsula, you don't have Bart. As somebody who swears by the need for accessible and reliable public transportation, I just don't feel like the peninsula south of the Airport really does much in the way of that. Caltrain doesn't run often enough, nor is it very efficient, and the bus systems in the area, are from what I understand - horrible. That's part of why 101 and 280 are constant shitshows, not only do they connect two of the biggest cities in the country, but they also lack proper public transportation to take the load off the freeways. San Mateo and Santa Clara counties still refuse to add on the Bart tax to join the rest of the area out of some sort of idiotic spite, so I'll pass on the hour+ commute in stop&go.

On top of that, the capital you need to accrue in order to get into the market on the peninsula is outstanding... the median home value for a place in Menlo or Palo alto is like 2.5 million bucks! anywhere else on the peninsula is at least 1.5mil. It's far easier to get into the market in the east bay or even north bay without having to risk just about everything - even if you're well off. Why get a place on the peninsula requiring you to commute seemingly forever with a stupid high mortgage rate, when you can get a place almost anywhere else in the bay area for way less? I'd rather live in San Carlos any day over Palo Alto.. and for half the price of even that I could get just as cool of a house in Albany or El Cerrito. For half of that I could just Bart in from Concord or even parts of Walnut Creek. If you can afford a 2.5 million dollar home, why not just invest in the east bay anyway - get like 3 homes for the same price, rent two of them, and let them all pay themselves off while you work half as much and ski even more. Winner.

It's one thing if your job is in Redwood City or San Jose (In which case still, fuck the peninsula, and live in Los Gatos or Alamitos so you have reverse traffic and live in a nicer community and you're closer to Santa Cruz) It's another if you work in SF anyway. I'd take bart or even a fuckin ferry from the East or North Bay into the city with my bike any day over the stress of having to find parking or pay some stupid amount just so I can sit in traffic nuking the atmosphere listening to KCBS tell me for the 7th time that I'm going to be stuck behind 101 traffic because another jackass caused an accident on the Dumbarton by texting their coworker about how the beta isn't working on the new app project. Meanwhile 82 and 280 are a fuckshitstack as per usual anyway, so you'll be late for your tinder date tonight. That's the life of a 20 something enduring life on the peninsula. I'll pass, and live wayy closer to skiing for much cheaper. :)

Palo Alto is so expensive for very good reasons- I guess you don't know them haha. For a person in your situation, and frankly mine, Palo alto doesn't make much sense (neither does the bay area as a while IMO), but there is no where I'd rather raise a family that I have been :)

I passed on the whole state and now live 45 mins from skiing, 15mins from a world class metropolitan city, comparatively cheap real estate, and surprisingly good weather haha.

I guess I'm a big fan of culture and a big fan of mtn sports... And IMO there are much better options than the bay or Sacramento for those things.
 
alright, I've made my decision. I'm going with the epic pass.

I'm in Roseville, both Squaw and Northstar are about 90 mins from my apartment. Honestly, a squaw pass and a boreal pass would be ideal for the best park/pow combo but I can't afford that. The epic pass is cheaper than the squaw/alpine meadows pass and since everyone said alpine meadows is garbage id basically be paying more for 1 mountain vs. the 3 in the epic pass. And since I'm new I definitely want to explore whats around.

This calendar year squaw got only slightly more snow than northstar, but i do understand the terrain is better, and more bad ass.......and game of G.N.A.R.y. I'm sure I'll check squaw out one or two days this winter, and since my office is lax about taking a day or two off to ski I'll try and hit squaw IF they get snow.

....which is a big IF, and brings me to my final point. If there's no snow again there's always the fall back of just lapping the park and the epic pass gives me a good insurance plan for that with northstar.
 
13721002:03gade said:
alright, I've made my decision. I'm going with the epic pass.

I'm in Roseville, both Squaw and Northstar are about 90 mins from my apartment. Honestly, a squaw pass and a boreal pass would be ideal for the best park/pow combo but I can't afford that. The epic pass is cheaper than the squaw/alpine meadows pass and since everyone said alpine meadows is garbage id basically be paying more for 1 mountain vs. the 3 in the epic pass. And since I'm new I definitely want to explore whats around.

This calendar year squaw got only slightly more snow than northstar, but i do understand the terrain is better, and more bad ass.......and game of G.N.A.R.y. I'm sure I'll check squaw out one or two days this winter, and since my office is lax about taking a day or two off to ski I'll try and hit squaw IF they get snow.

....which is a big IF, and brings me to my final point. If there's no snow again there's always the fall back of just lapping the park and the epic pass gives me a good insurance plan for that with northstar.

youve got one mighty large head scratching post here haha. Alpine sucks? a resort on the crest gets the same amount of snow as a lower resort not on the crest? Its a big IF tahoe gets snow?

oh man. youll learn a lot your first year in the area. Good luck, and have fun!
 
13721002:03gade said:
alright, I've made my decision. I'm going with the epic pass.

I'm in Roseville, both Squaw and Northstar are about 90 mins from my apartment. Honestly, a squaw pass and a boreal pass would be ideal for the best park/pow combo but I can't afford that. The epic pass is cheaper than the squaw/alpine meadows pass and since everyone said alpine meadows is garbage id basically be paying more for 1 mountain vs. the 3 in the epic pass. And since I'm new I definitely want to explore whats around.

This calendar year squaw got only slightly more snow than northstar, but i do understand the terrain is better, and more bad ass.......and game of G.N.A.R.y. I'm sure I'll check squaw out one or two days this winter, and since my office is lax about taking a day or two off to ski I'll try and hit squaw IF they get snow.

....which is a big IF, and brings me to my final point. If there's no snow again there's always the fall back of just lapping the park and the epic pass gives me a good insurance plan for that with northstar.

What the hell? Alpine is the most underrated resort in tahoe. Who said it sucked? Because it absolutely does not.

Also northstar lies about their snow almost every day. And there is pretty much nothing to do when it does snow. The frontier is only steep enough to ski down on the very top section....then you will get slowed down by snow and stuck. Backside has decent trees but that is it. There are a total of 2 cliffs at the resort.

The only resort worth a shit on the epic is kirkwood.
 
13721066:californiagrown said:
youve got one mighty large head scratching post here haha. Alpine sucks? a resort on the crest gets the same amount of snow as a lower resort not on the crest? Its a big IF tahoe gets snow?

oh man. youll learn a lot your first year in the area. Good luck, and have fun!

13721095:Profahoben_212 said:
What the hell? Alpine is the most underrated resort in tahoe. Who said it sucked? Because it absolutely does not.

Also northstar lies about their snow almost every day. And there is pretty much nothing to do when it does snow. The frontier is only steep enough to ski down on the very top section....then you will get slowed down by snow and stuck. Backside has decent trees but that is it. There are a total of 2 cliffs at the resort.

The only resort worth a shit on the epic is kirkwood.

The first post on this thread is "Alpine meadows is garbage" and a few more people in the threat agreed with him. And how is Tahoe not getting snow not an big if with the drought?
 
I apologize, didn't realize there was plenty of Alpine love on the thread (probably should have looked a bit closer before posting that) and I shoudl clarify I don't mean to sound defensive on the post above this. Isnt the drought seriously putting a hamper on side country type stuff?
 
13721390:03gade said:
I apologize, didn't realize there was plenty of Alpine love on the thread (probably should have looked a bit closer before posting that) and I shoudl clarify I don't mean to sound defensive on the post above this. Isnt the drought seriously putting a hamper on side country type stuff?

Last year was pretty much an average year. Not to mention, no one knows when a drought will end. No one even knows the weather 2werks from now.

Are you really planning on skiing a bunch of BC? Or do you just mean in bounds off piste?
 
In bounds off piste. My biggest worry honestly is getting a squaw pass, it doesn't snow, then I'm stuck on groomers while I could be else where in the park at least. Maybe I'll do the squaw and boreal night pass I really can't decide.
 
13721430:03gade said:
In bounds off piste. My biggest worry honestly is getting a squaw pass, it doesn't snow, then I'm stuck on groomers while I could be else where in the park at least. Maybe I'll do the squaw and boreal night pass I really can't decide.

Eh, you'll figure it. But, man, northstar fucking blows for anything but park. Like I activley dislike the place haha.

Don't worry too much about where your pass is. Go to premiers and ski swaps and grab all the ticket vouchers you can from those events. Use the first year to figure out where you want to be for next year.
 
13721430:03gade said:
In bounds off piste. My biggest worry honestly is getting a squaw pass, it doesn't snow, then I'm stuck on groomers while I could be else where in the park at least. Maybe I'll do the squaw and boreal night pass I really can't decide.

Youll still be able to see a ton of people shredding in slush and low snow. I like it almost as much as powder because there aint much better than soft slushy landings and skiing around in a Hawaiian shirt.

If its a low snow year EVERYWHERE is gunna suck. Granted northstar has a grade A park and can deal with low snow a little better...but if it is a average year then you are fucked skiing powder on groomers instead of some of the gnarliest terrain in the country. And IMO that would suck a lot worse than skiing a little bit worse of a park.

13721435:californiagrown said:
Eh, you'll figure it. But, man, northstar fucking blows for anything but park. Like I activley dislike the place haha.

Don't worry too much about where your pass is. Go to premiers and ski swaps and grab all the ticket vouchers you can from those events. Use the first year to figure out where you want to be for next year.

I have a strong dislike for it too. Awesome park...absolutely nothing else.

And i agree on the second part too....make friends with shop guys...make friends with people for discount day passes....explore. Its all preference so the only way you will know if you like a resort is to go and try it.
 
13721430:03gade said:
In bounds off piste. My biggest worry honestly is getting a squaw pass, it doesn't snow, then I'm stuck on groomers while I could be else where in the park at least. Maybe I'll do the squaw and boreal night pass I really can't decide.

I've done that the last 3 years. It's a decent option for getting on the hill and getting your fix.

I feel like everyone (and this includes me) is extremely jaded and worried about the future of skiing in tahoe after the last drought cycle. Who knows. It could be a fucking epic year or we could slink back into the Jack Squawttro drought again.. or it could just be like last year and have relatively wet storms come in and pound us with your typical sierra cement interspersed with your rainy yuck low elevation days - average stuff.

Tahoe might suck or it might shine. It's a tightrope these days, but you never know. Things could get badass real fast.

Nobody expected a La Nina year to turn into an 800 inch season in 2011... It's all about timing and luck. Hopefully last year's average precip and snow turned Tahoe's luck machine back on.
 
13721572:Titsandwich11 said:
make a list of anyone who said this and disregard anything else they say because they are retarded

oops, who's the retard now? me

i didnt realize what thread this was..the people saying alpine sucks were kidding, and ive already posted about how sick alpine is. my b, proceed....
 
Alright, ya'll convinced me, I'll get the squaw pass. And I'll stick to it haha. Thanks for everyone's input. I guess at the end of the day this whole dilemma is a good problem to have.
 
13721752:03gade said:
Alright, ya'll convinced me, I'll get the squaw pass. And I'll stick to it haha. Thanks for everyone's input. I guess at the end of the day this whole dilemma is a good problem to have.

great decision man, you wont regret it. i spent two ski bum years at squalpine that were low snow years and believe me, the place is still absolutely badass as hell. and their parks are fine haha. youre going to love it
 
13721752:03gade said:
Alright, ya'll convinced me, I'll get the squaw pass. And I'll stick to it haha. Thanks for everyone's input. I guess at the end of the day this whole dilemma is a good problem to have.

Hell yeah...hit me up this winter man
 
13721821:Profahoben_212 said:
Hell yeah...hit me up this winter man

good choice on that squaw/alpine pass. Northstar is a joke, its a true resort and its not REALLLL SKIIINGGG imo. Alpine is my home resort and I still get about 25 days there even though I live out of state. Got a couple 2-3ft days last year and boy was I sauced, alpine is the shit, love it to death, if people say it sucks they are joking because we dont want you snaking our lines, but I am a homie and dont want you gettin locked in for a pass that delivers shit, stay pitted
 
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