Klick_2_klaim
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oh come on, dont like that baby. baby please!
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Love_Wins.
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Oh, I'm not saying they weren't good skis, but revolutionary is a bit out of reach for the PE, or any of K2s park skis.
Think of the Mothership (which I think came out before the PE), 92 underfoot, the Flite was very light and poppy, and way durable.
People have been doing the reverse camber/sidecut thing since the Spat, and yes it was heavy...but it was also just about the burliest pow and crud ski ever made, to be able to charge you need a stiff and fairly heavy ski.
Not like the Hellbent is a lightweight either, pretty hefty ski. The EP is far lighter at the same size and I think the rocker on the EP is more usable than the Hellbent.
I'm not saying K2 is a bad company or anything like that, there are just companies I would rather buy from because of what they've done for this specific aspect of skiing, and like I said, K2 graphics of late pretty much blow.
I think LINE is a more revolutionary company, they were doing new and unseen things with flex, sidecut and camber before K2 ever stepped in and bought them, sooooo......
Think of the Mothership (which I think came out before the PE), 92 underfoot, the Flite was very light and poppy, and way durable.
People have been doing the reverse camber/sidecut thing since the Spat, and yes it was heavy...but it was also just about the burliest pow and crud ski ever made, to be able to charge you need a stiff and fairly heavy ski.
Not like the Hellbent is a lightweight either, pretty hefty ski. The EP is far lighter at the same size and I think the rocker on the EP is more usable than the Hellbent.
I'm not saying K2 is a bad company or anything like that, there are just companies I would rather buy from because of what they've done for this specific aspect of skiing, and like I said, K2 graphics of late pretty much blow.
I think LINE is a more revolutionary company, they were doing new and unseen things with flex, sidecut and camber before K2 ever stepped in and bought them, sooooo......
bobs
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i dont wanna get in the middle of an argument but from what i've seen
on here schmies has always been legit and professional about
represnting k2. I dont get where you are coming from. he just laughed at the k2 isn't innovative comment.
k2 has offers a bunch of different models over the years and they seem to keep
switchin it up. But to each his own of course
on here schmies has always been legit and professional about
represnting k2. I dont get where you are coming from. he just laughed at the k2 isn't innovative comment.
k2 has offers a bunch of different models over the years and they seem to keep
switchin it up. But to each his own of course
SHastatahoe
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Ok, Yes. The mother ship was THE SHIT. From a marketing standpoint it was a pow twin, and not dedicated to park as much as the PE. But k2 was also a major company embracing the new freestyle movement, and putting their well known brand name in the lesser known world of freeskiing, bringing it closer to the mainstream. I feel like they put a lot of effort towards this new shift in skiing.
And they were making it before other companies were really making sick new park skis. Salomon refused to add to the 1080 for several years if I remember correctly.
You can't deny that the bullet rivots were a good idea that have been used by other comanies with great results. K2 is still using them, and they are working. I know they stemmed from the tendency of enemys to delaminate, but they put a very solid construction (capped, triaxial?) into a bombproof, almost delam-proof ski.
As far as the hellbent and the EP pro, they are both very sick skis, but the EP only comes in one size, and they are actually very different. The EP is way more flexy. . . as you probably know. But The EP cannot take some of the hits that the bent can, and is literally a noodle. But the EP does have those butter edges on the tip and tail to prevent catching, which is pretty cool. It seems to me that the EP was more made for playing around, buttering in pow and whatnot, and the bent is more focused towards charging.
And Line is a pretty revolutionary company. But they are a twin tip company from the ground up. k2 also dabbles in racing and old people. I am just proposing that it was cool for such a mainstream company to devote so much into the freeskiing industry. And they have done so with success, and good products.
And if you could clarify Line's dominance in sidecut and camber before k2, please explain yout thoughts.
And they were making it before other companies were really making sick new park skis. Salomon refused to add to the 1080 for several years if I remember correctly.
You can't deny that the bullet rivots were a good idea that have been used by other comanies with great results. K2 is still using them, and they are working. I know they stemmed from the tendency of enemys to delaminate, but they put a very solid construction (capped, triaxial?) into a bombproof, almost delam-proof ski.
As far as the hellbent and the EP pro, they are both very sick skis, but the EP only comes in one size, and they are actually very different. The EP is way more flexy. . . as you probably know. But The EP cannot take some of the hits that the bent can, and is literally a noodle. But the EP does have those butter edges on the tip and tail to prevent catching, which is pretty cool. It seems to me that the EP was more made for playing around, buttering in pow and whatnot, and the bent is more focused towards charging.
And Line is a pretty revolutionary company. But they are a twin tip company from the ground up. k2 also dabbles in racing and old people. I am just proposing that it was cool for such a mainstream company to devote so much into the freeskiing industry. And they have done so with success, and good products.
And if you could clarify Line's dominance in sidecut and camber before k2, please explain yout thoughts.
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Elizabeth et al.
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SHastatahoe
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I don't think Ive ever ridden the lizzy, as I wont ride anything shorter than a 178, but if I recall correctly it is normal camber, and normal sidecut? Maybe a little flexier?
To most people's surprise, this is Eric's personal park ski. Although its wide, its geometry, sidecut, and flex matches our other park-specific skis. If you're looking for the widest ski that rips from the park to the pow, you need Elizabeth.
That is what the line site sais about it. It sounds like a sick ski, eric pollard is awesome. But it doesnt sound like anything truely revolutionary.
To most people's surprise, this is Eric's personal park ski. Although its wide, its geometry, sidecut, and flex matches our other park-specific skis. If you're looking for the widest ski that rips from the park to the pow, you need Elizabeth.
That is what the line site sais about it. It sounds like a sick ski, eric pollard is awesome. But it doesnt sound like anything truely revolutionary.
Love_Wins.
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Well yes, but think of the application, when it first came out it was a pow jib ski, Eric only recently started using it as his park specific ski. Until then no one had made a ski that rode that way, super short with a huge sidecut and fat? Unheard of. And it rides unlike anything else out there, plus the other skis that have been birthed from it and Erics other designs and ideas, the Bacon, the EP.
Line also introduced the first symmetric park ski WAYYY back with the 1260, that was a revolutionary design that no one would buy...but a few years down the road, what do you know? Other companies are making symmetric skis...and everyone said LINE was crazy with the Prophet, there was no use for a ski waist that big, really anything over 90 wasn't any good. Lo and behold, 5 years or so later, every company has at least one super-fat in their lineup.
I just think LINE has always been ahead of the curve, and they've always been the face of this facet of skiing.
Line also introduced the first symmetric park ski WAYYY back with the 1260, that was a revolutionary design that no one would buy...but a few years down the road, what do you know? Other companies are making symmetric skis...and everyone said LINE was crazy with the Prophet, there was no use for a ski waist that big, really anything over 90 wasn't any good. Lo and behold, 5 years or so later, every company has at least one super-fat in their lineup.
I just think LINE has always been ahead of the curve, and they've always been the face of this facet of skiing.