Mormon Vs Blackguy

y'all should have a look at epistemology and phenomenology, all you guys are not looking at whats layed out in front of you
 
its fine. i enjoy the occasional debate anyway. i don't mean to personally attack you I'm just criticizing the Mormon church.
 
Quoting individual lines for clarity

"my leaders 'believe' that the time to give blacks equality had to. maybe not co-live with society, but ease its way in to society as to not be having mormon members killed along with blacks, call it cowardly, but the church is only trying to maintain piece."

It is cowardly. Which is probably excusable for individuals, but for an organization which claims to know the will of god to not fight against what they "know" is wrong is pretty pathetic. Whats the point of divine moral knowledge if you're just going to go with the flow of society anyway? Nothing. Plus, you spelled peace wrong.

"The church has many black members if we were racist but even for awhile why would they join knowing that?"

Because they're stupid and brainwashed, just like the white members. There are gay muslims too.

"Please just understand that we are good people, trying to do what we see as right."

Some of you are, some of you aren't, just like any large organization of people. Individual mormons can be awesome people, but that doesn't say anything about the organization's morality, much less the validity of your religious claims.

"Also they were not kicked out, they were prosecuted and murdered until they decided to leave for Utah and even though they where seen as crazy cult members, they never wen't against the laws of society."

They're not blameless parties here. The prosecution against the mormons at the time was wrong, but the mormons were a militarized cult at that point and it made the non mormon population pretty nervous. Mormon history is fraught with persecution and murder both by and against them. BTW, the morrill anti bigamy act was passed in 1862, but the mormon church did not formally disavow the practice until 1890 (and continued the practice in secret for some years after).
 
I feel like he let them speak their piece, but it was edited out for the most part, and then when he gave his response, and asked them a question about their beliefs, gave them the full openness required to answer the question at hand. They couldn't answer and the mormons just dished out the same stuff about their religion which they believe - and telling him to take the book of mormon..

He then used the bible (something both parties supposedly agree on as a true text and guide) to explain why he must refuse their text as it goes against what should be the belief of both parties. They try to tell him that the bible on it's own isn't enough on it's own (in his interpretation "the word of god isn't strong enough), and the book of mormon supplements it. From there, I feel he takes offense, and pretty much makes the claim that Joseph Smith's book of mormon is bullshit, and goes against the bible.

Yeah, perhaps he was a bit pretentious in his attitude towards the whole thing, but isn't it also pretentious to go around shoving the book of mormon in peoples' hands?

Oh wait, but really the whole aim is to make money... Isn't it? - AKA: religious missionaries who hand out their books like candy are the equivalent to... well, someone giving away free samples of some new kind of candy in Costco, like it's candy - it's all marketing for potential customers. This dude was critical of a product being handed out and threw it in the trash.

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Warning: the residents of the website newschoolers.com can and will use big words when cornered. Most don't know what they're saying. Some do. Now please excuse myself myself while I furiously masterbate to nun porn.
 
Question: Why was the camera already rolling when the missionaries showed up? Were they expecting them? Are they wizards?
 
John, you know I love you and respect your church, but these kids need to exercise some sort of discretion when it comes to approaching randoms and be ready for a verbal theological battle. Not everyone cares for Mormonism, nor is everyone respectful when they do speak about the church, because Mormonism, sorry to say, fucks up a lot of people's lives. It has been historically racist, is still incredibly homophobic, and is sexist to an astonishing degree, though most mormon women would not agree. If you carry the badge of representation for such a controversial entity, you MUST be ready to receive negative attention like this.

That being said, it's hard to argue positively for Mormonism against the core Catholic belief. It is seen as sort of a fan fiction addition to what is precious and dear to a lot of people, and in many ways, contradicts alot of what the Bible says.
 
christian*

Catholicism is just the OG denomination. They're also a bit cray (I'm born and raised Catholic, and god damn some of them are just too real for me, man - Rick Santorum = case and point.)
 
I feel like everyone here sees these all Mormon missionaries the same as these two guys. The fact is, most lds missionaries don't shove books of Mormon into people's hands. Every religion is going to have "bad" missionaries.
 
Are you serious? Do you really want a detailed explanation with quotes from the Book of Mormon outlining the strict subordinate roles of women to the exclusion of gender incongruency, or are you just asking rhetorical questions? Believe you me, I am prepared for either.
 
You fucking serious? Why do you all draw lines between the actions of the church and the actions of the affiliated members? If the members support the church, then they are guilty of aiding and abetting the behaviors of their church. Sure, they may not be participants in the act of discrimination, but they're DAMN SURE FUNDING IT.
 
Every single mormon missionary on a bike that I have come across has offered me the book of mormon and a long spiel about why they believe it's the best thing evar.

Same thing goes for just about any missionary of any faith.

...that doesn't go to discount the aid efforts of religious missionaries around the world, whatsoever. I applaud much of the work done by them and other aid institutions.
 
the orthodox church is christian. pretty much what the entire middle eastern and much of the eastern European christian population is.
 
Not all mormons throw money towards the church of LDS. Just like not all Catholics send their hard earned to the pope. Just like not all protestants send their money to their local pastor/reverend/whatever.

Many of those who practice religion don't abide by the rules and regulations set about by their affiliated religious institutions.
 
I don't understand how you see the Mormons as being sexist. There is no hatred towards women whatsoever. Much of our religion is based around women. Want to know why our religion is so against homosexuality? It's because women are an essential part of our church
 
That's a weak fucking excuse to prevent people who love each other from being married. Gay marriage for gay people doesn't prevent straight marriage for straight people.
 
And that matters how? A "mormon in name only" isn't going to be told "go home" on sundays... Least not where I come from.
 
...bu...wha.... how...does that even make sense to you? Do you understand what sexism is? When your communities force submissive roles on women to the detriment of those that do not conform to the male-female stereotypical relationship, THAT IS SEXISM. Outward hate is not a requirement to deny women, either by social or lawful means or opportunities that would otherwise be available to the other sex, and vice versa. You are sexist when you hold that women are inferior and therefore ineligible for priesthood. You are sexist when your leaders and your books state that "a woman's rightful place is in the home". You are sexist when even your rewards in heaven are subject sex bias where only a married woman may enter heaven. Did you not even read your book?

As for the homosexuality bit, that is pure speculation on your part. When the LDS church donated millions to the Yes on Prop 8 domain, it certainly wasn't under the pretense that "we need more women". They sited Leviticus, corruption of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the false assertion that same sex couples could not raise children to the proper standard.
 
One of the base fundamentals of Mormonism is marriage between a man and a woman. Changing that would change everything
 
well i thought you thought that i was talking about orthodox jews from what you said in your next post. but after rereading i guess you were clarifying that the ROMAN catholic church was the OG denomination which once again it isn't.

and to Applejack they all stem from the eastern orthodox church and are inherently the same besides regional differences, mainly the language that they speak in the church.
 
Then if you're a mormon man, don't marry another man. Pretty fucking simple, no need to force it on everyone who doesn't want to be in your religion.

Jews don't eat pork, but I don't see my local Synagogue trying to ban bacon.
 
Bullshit. One of the base fundamentals of Mormonism in the 19th century was marriage between a man and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman...

...they changed that. It didn't change 'everything'.
 
Are you from Utah? I feel like you should probably come here and witness the community exclusion that comes from not only A) not being a mormon, and B) not being a devout mormon in contrast with C) being a true mormon.

We have thousands of gay kids disowned yearly from mormon households and some of the highest depression and suicide rates in the country because "true Mormons" operate proudly in this state.

As to your first question, I feel as though if I'm going to be discriminated against on not only a sexual, but a gendered level as well, I wanna see these people following their religion to a tee, not fumbling around half-assing it while reaping the benefits of having the church on their side. It's my own personal statement of masochism.
 
Makes sense. I always thought, because the Pope fell to the Roman side of the Great Schism, and because dogma on Earth is dictated by the Pope, that Roman Catholics would be considered the new orthodoxy in regards to Christianity. It's all mishmash to me anyway.
 
NO. I was saying you're absolutely correct that the Eastern Orthodox chuch is the OG christian denomination. Before the great schism of 1054, the Roman Catholic church was the only christian institution - I was simply agreeing with you 100%.

Also - the use of idols is another vast difference between those two churches.

Other than that, they're about as similar as the Church of England and the one headed by the Pope.
 
^^^ squeenerd! backing me up :D
haha but really we love women why do you think we have so many babies ;) jk thats more of a stereotype now, but women are just as important as men. no sexism.

Also why can't we just love? everyone has their own opinions and unless there looking for something else, they are unlikely to change it. If one ultimate religion hasn't been found then how is NS going to come to terms with countless peoples views, instead we should admit to people believing what they hold to be true, and live n peace knowing that we can all exist if we don't try and disprove others.
 
At the same time, telling people that their religion is baseless, absurd, and that they are wasting time believing in it is just as militant in some ways as those preaching it. Religion will eventually die out in society (people are leaving churches exponentially) Just let it kill itself.
 
Because your church and it's members spent $20 million dollars to wage a propaganda war against gay people in California. Until you stop doing stuff like that, don't talk about "why can't we just love." Fuck that hypocrisy.
 
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