Monopoly on Terror

[californiagrown]

I agree that war zones are dangerous. But was that hospital a direct threat to U.S. Soldiers? No. A direct threat to homeland security's? No. Was it known that there were civilians? Yes. Did the bombing continue? Yes.

That's what doesn't make sense to me.

Did intelligence say Taliban fighters were using it? Who specifically did the hospital contact during the bombing and could the contact feasibly navigate the channels quick enough to stop it? How could the US be sure the call to stop the bombing was legit and not Taliban? Etc. Etc. An investigation is needed before accusations and condemnation start being thrown around.

Questions are helpful. Facts are helpful. Conclusions before either, are not.

 

[louie.mirags]

War zones are supposed to be dangerous. Schools are not. That's not a small difference.

Goddamn, do you get any of your news from factual reporting instead of opinion pieces? Lol. Do you realize how blatantly biased the organizations you are referencing are?

Last I checked Foxnews or NBC were not doing pieces on comparing the Oregon shootings to the bombing. Which I was talking about last week - how people care more about oregon because they are American lives. When we just happen to be born here. Civilian casualties are important whether they died in a school in America or in a hospital in the Middle East. And again, we never even declared war but we're dropping bombs thousands of miles away spending trillions of dollars.

 

[californiagrown]

Last I checked Foxnews or NBC were not doing pieces on comparing the Oregon shootings to the bombing. Which I was talking about last week - how people care more about oregon because they are American lives. When we just happen to be born here. Civilian casualties are important whether they died in a school in America or in a hospital in the Middle East. And again, we never even declared war but we're dropping bombs thousands of miles away spending trillions of dollars.

People care more about Oregon because it didn't happen in a war zone. It happened on a school.

Curiously, what is it about this particular event that flicked the light bulb on in your head and made you say "oh shit, this kind of thing cannot continue"? This kinda thing has happened quite a few times before in the very recent past.

 

[Lonely]

Did intelligence say Taliban fighters were using it? Who specifically did the hospital contact during the bombing and could the contact feasibly navigate the channels quick enough to stop it? How could the US be sure the call to stop the bombing was legit and not Taliban? Etc. Etc. An investigation is needed before accusations and condemnation start being thrown around.

Questions are helpful. Facts are helpful. Conclusions before either, are not.

Well, no they can't, that came from a fair amount of research.

The whole thing was a question in the first place.

I agreed with you man no need to get your jimmies rustled like usual

 

[californiagrown]

Well, no they can't, that came from a fair amount of research.

The whole thing was a question in the first place.

I agreed with you man no need to get your jimmies rustled like usual

I'm adding to your point...

 

[louie.mirags]

People care more about Oregon because it didn't happen in a war zone. It happened on a school.

Curiously, what is it about this particular event that flicked the light bulb on in your head and made you say "oh shit, this kind of thing cannot continue"? This kinda thing has happened quite a few times before in the very recent past.

I have been against foreign wars since I was in the Navy and realized the fuckery. Me preaching anti-war is nothing new on this site. I made a post months ago about the wedding party drone attack. I hop into various political talks here to help the work day pass by. Nothing new...

 

[louie.mirags]

when we do it we admit the mistake instead of saying "oh well, it was your own fault for being there".

They knew what they were doing...

One source:http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5e20...eak-us-spec-ops-knew-afghan-site-was-hospital

From this article:http://news.antiwar.com/2015/10/15/pentagon-knew-bombed-afghan-site-was-a-hospital/

Pentagon Knew Targeted Afghan Site Was a Hospital

With the official US narrative on their attack on the Doctors Without Borders hospital having changed several times, and the White House openly opposing calls for an independent investigation into the strike, the Associated Press in now reporting that the ground troops in the area, the ones who apparently called in the strike, knew it was a hospital.

Not only that, but the Pentagon had actually ordered the troops on the ground to conduct surveillance against the hospital, on suspicion that a Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence spy was inside. Officials were even privately saying the attack on the protected hospital full of civilians was “justified” because of this, and that they believe one of the 22 slain civilians may well have been the Pakistani in question.

This dramatically undercuts US claims that the attack, likely a war crime, was “a mistake,” and President Obama’s “apology” to Doctors Without Borders, who say the new reports underscore the likelihood that the US deliberately targeted a hospital.

It also supports Doctors Without Borders’ assessment that there was no fighting anywhere near the hospital the night of the strike, suggesting the claim of a battle was a pretext for an American attack on a hospital, which was the goal in the first place.

Doctors Without Borders did, however, spurned the reports that a Pakistani ISI spy was present, saying none of the staff at the facility were Pakistani, and that they had no information that any of the patients were either.

 

[californiagrown]

They knew what they were doing...

One source:http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5e20...eak-us-spec-ops-knew-afghan-site-was-hospital

From this article:http://news.antiwar.com/2015/10/15/pentagon-knew-bombed-afghan-site-was-a-hospital/

Pentagon Knew Targeted Afghan Site Was a Hospital

With the official US narrative on their attack on the Doctors Without Borders hospital having changed several times, and the White House openly opposing calls for an independent investigation into the strike, the Associated Press in now reporting that the ground troops in the area, the ones who apparently called in the strike, knew it was a hospital.

Not only that, but the Pentagon had actually ordered the troops on the ground to conduct surveillance against the hospital, on suspicion that a Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence spy was inside. Officials were even privately saying the attack on the protected hospital full of civilians was “justified” because of this, and that they believe one of the 22 slain civilians may well have been the Pakistani in question.

This dramatically undercuts US claims that the attack, likely a war crime, was “a mistake,” and President Obama’s “apology” to Doctors Without Borders, who say the new reports underscore the likelihood that the US deliberately targeted a hospital.

It also supports Doctors Without Borders’ assessment that there was no fighting anywhere near the hospital the night of the strike, suggesting the claim of a battle was a pretext for an American attack on a hospital, which was the goal in the first place.

Doctors Without Borders did, however, spurned the reports that a Pakistani ISI spy was present, saying none of the staff at the facility were Pakistani, and that they had no information that any of the patients were either.

They always knew it was a hospital. That changes nothing. If you have the enemy using it to fire from, you bomb it.

What the investigation is meant to figure out, is why only civilians were killed- bad intelligence? Negligence? Sending a message to not treat the enemy? Etc.

 

[louie.mirags]

"War is not the foundation on which to build peace."
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/our...terans-group-calls-us-public-say-no-more-war/

 

[californiagrown]

"War is not the foundation on which to build peace."
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/our...terans-group-calls-us-public-say-no-more-war/

Diplomacy worked great with Hitler!

 

[qazwsxedc34]

Seems like just a blip in time. No one even cares anymore.

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) continues to demand an independent war crimes probe of the U.S. bombing of its hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, after releasing its own preliminary investigation. The U.S. airstrike on October 3 killed at least 30 people, including 13 staff members, 10 patients and seven unrecognizable victims yet to be identified. In a new report based on interviews with dozens of witnesses, MSF describes patients burning in their beds, medical staff who were decapitated and lost limbs, and staff members shot from the air while they fled the burning building. Doctors and other medical staff were shot while running to reach safety in a different part of the compound. MSF says it provided the GPS coordinates to U.S. and Afghan officials weeks before and that the strikes continued for half an hour after U.S. and Afghan authorities were told the hospital was being bombed.

 

[louie.mirags]

Seems like just a blip in time. No one even cares anymore.

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) continues to demand an independent war crimes probe of the U.S. bombing of its hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, after releasing its own preliminary investigation. The U.S. airstrike on October 3 killed at least 30 people, including 13 staff members, 10 patients and seven unrecognizable victims yet to be identified. In a new report based on interviews with dozens of witnesses, MSF describes patients burning in their beds, medical staff who were decapitated and lost limbs, and staff members shot from the air while they fled the burning building. Doctors and other medical staff were shot while running to reach safety in a different part of the compound. MSF says it provided the GPS coordinates to U.S. and Afghan officials weeks before and that the strikes continued for half an hour after U.S. and Afghan authorities were told the hospital was being bombed.

yeah man, it is pretty nuts. I was going to make a post too about the findings but I figured why bother? Nobody seems to care. And all that would happen would be Caligrown debating with me for the sake of disagreement.