Moment vs on3p

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Benjamin_Dunz25

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I wanted to know what ski would be better for the parks at seven springs between the Kartel 96 and the Moment Frankenskis I want a durable ski that is buttery but stiff enough to hold up on big jumps
 
If you are looking at the Frakenskis with a 92mm waist why not consider the Magnus 90? More dedicated park ski, comes with a park detune and will definitely hold up on big jumps.
 
14032322:swegman2 said:
If you are looking at the Frakenskis with a 92mm waist why not consider the Magnus 90? More dedicated park ski, comes with a park detune and will definitely hold up on big jumps.
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I mean the new ones with the 98 waist mm
 
14032341:Benjamin_Dunz25 said:
I mean the new ones with the 98 waist mm
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Oh sick. Yeah the Moment will probably be a little softer and more playful. I ride the Kartel 96 and it kills it in the park. I would say pick the stiffness you like best but you can't go wrong.
 
14032355:swegman2 said:
Oh sick. Yeah the Moment will probably be a little softer and more playful. I ride the Kartel 96 and it kills it in the park. I would say pick the stiffness you like best but you can't go wrong.
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Ok thanks bro
 
franks are nice but have a really weird flex that is different than most, there perfect for just regular skiing u can really lay em down and the swingweight is so god damn low they just spin. good ski way stiffer than a WET or say a blend
 
Moments were some of the more durable skis I’ve come across. Had a 2012 model that lasted me nearly 3 full seasons of hard Midwest riding & rail abuse. I can’t speak on ON3P’s but I would imagine most of NS leans that way already.
 
I’ve always had this debate in my

mind about moment and on3p not so much park skis but more big/all mtn.

if I’m correct tho, ON3P uses a thicker edge and base than moment. Moments website lists 2.2 compared to ON3Ps 2.5

I ski lots of rocks and crap, so I grabbed some on3ps and have not been disappointed in terms of durability. Heck I’m riding on3ps from 2012 and the bases/edges are like new.

If Moment did demos where I’m at I would love to do a direct comparison. Moment also seems like a sick company with a great product.
 
14033247:shin-bang said:
I’ve always had this debate in my

mind about moment and on3p not so much park skis but more big/all mtn.
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This would be a good comparison in this discipline of skiing due to Moment having much more of their lineup oriented towards big mountain / powder skiing.
 
First off - if you aren't buying from ON3P, buy Moment.

14033250:Obie. said:
This would be a good comparison in this discipline of skiing due to Moment having much more of their lineup oriented towards big mountain / powder skiing.
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Just because I find that impression interesting as a function of this discussion, and have seen it on here a few times, figured just lay it out. Of the (16) 2020 production models we have, only (4) fall under what would be considered park/jib skis.

Park = 4

Magnus 90

Magnus 102

Jeffrey 96 (which is/functions as an all mountain ski for a lot of customers, but lets include it here as a lot use it in the park)

Jessie 96 (applying same assumptions on Jeffrey 96)

All mountain = 8 (excluding all mountain performance/use of the Jeffrey/Jessie 96).

Jeffrey 108

Woodsman 96

Woodsman 108

Wrenegade 96

Wrenegade 96 Ti

Wrenegade 108

Wrenegade 108 Ti

Jessie 108

Powder/Big Mountain = 4

Jeffrey 116

Woodsman 116

Billy Goat

Cease & Desist

We don't have any touring specific 2020 skis.

Moment 2020 has 17 productions skis.

Park = 4

FrankenSki

Transition

PB&J (if Jeffrey 96 falls in the park category, PB&J would too - though everyone knows both function well all mountain)

Hot Mess (see above)

All Mountain = 7 (excluding all mountain performance use of the PB&J and Hot Mess)

Meridian

Wildcat 108

Deathwish

Commander 98

Commander 108

Sierra

Bella

Touring = 3

Wildcat Tour 108

Deathwish Tour 112

Wildcat Tour

Powder/Big Mountain = 3

Commander 118

Commander 124

Wildcat

So I mean...

Park = 4 vs 4

All Mountain = 8 vs 7

Tour = 0 vs 3

Powder/Big Mountain = 4/3

Anyway.because I've seen that impression before - that ALL ON3P makes is park skis, just wanted to clarify that it isn't the a full representation of what we offer or our sales (where the majority of the skis we sell never ski any park).

As for Frankenski vs Jeffrey 96, I think I would focus on the sidecut and balance. Both are going to be well built, stable, rockered park skis. Frankenski is going to be a bit more balanced and symmetrical in feel as it is a true symmetrical shape (121/98/121). I believe it is center mounted as well, where the Jeffrey 96 is around -4.

So, I would lean Frankenski for more of a true jib ski feel and the Jeffrey 96 if you want something with a bit more all mountain feel in it. Design wise, I find the Jeffrey 96 and PB&J are more similar in function, if you set aside the 5mm in width.

Hope that helps.
 
14033295:iggyskier said:
First off - if you aren't buying from ON3P, buy Moment.

Just because I find that impression interesting as a function of this discussion, and have seen it on here a few times, figured just lay it out. Of the (16) 2020 production models we have, only (4) fall under what would be considered park/jib skis.
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By my comment above I wasn't in any way classifying ON3P as being an only park skiing oriented company. Just to clarify.

Great breakdown between the two companies though, it's cool you & Moment are tight & share respect for one another. I like to see that in the ski industry, especially amongst small(er) non-corporate brands.

**This post was edited on May 12th 2019 at 11:46:40pm
 
14033295:iggyskier said:
First off - if you aren't buying from ON3P, buy Moment.

Just because I find that impression interesting as a function of this discussion, and have seen it on here a few times, figured just lay it out. Of the (16) 2020 production models we have, only (4) fall under what would be considered park/jib skis.

Park = 4

Magnus 90

Magnus 102

Jeffrey 96 (which is/functions as an all mountain ski for a lot of customers, but lets include it here as a lot use it in the park)

Jessie 96 (applying same assumptions on Jeffrey 96)

All mountain = 8 (excluding all mountain performance/use of the Jeffrey/Jessie 96).

Jeffrey 108

Woodsman 96

Woodsman 108

Wrenegade 96

Wrenegade 96 Ti

Wrenegade 108

Wrenegade 108 Ti

Jessie 108

Powder/Big Mountain = 4

Jeffrey 116

Woodsman 116

Billy Goat

Cease & Desist

We don't have any touring specific 2020 skis.

Moment 2020 has 17 productions skis.

Park = 4

FrankenSki

Transition

PB&J (if Jeffrey 96 falls in the park category, PB&J would too - though everyone knows both function well all mountain)

Hot Mess (see above)

All Mountain = 7 (excluding all mountain performance use of the PB&J and Hot Mess)

Meridian

Wildcat 108

Deathwish

Commander 98

Commander 108

Sierra

Bella

Touring = 3

Wildcat Tour 108

Deathwish Tour 112

Wildcat Tour

Powder/Big Mountain = 3

Commander 118

Commander 124

Wildcat

So I mean...

Park = 4 vs 4

All Mountain = 8 vs 7

Tour = 0 vs 3

Powder/Big Mountain = 4/3

Anyway.because I've seen that impression before - that ALL ON3P makes is park skis, just wanted to clarify that it isn't the a full representation of what we offer or our sales (where the majority of the skis we sell never ski any park).

As for Frankenski vs Jeffrey 96, I think I would focus on the sidecut and balance. Both are going to be well built, stable, rockered park skis. Frankenski is going to be a bit more balanced and symmetrical in feel as it is a true symmetrical shape (121/98/121). I believe it is center mounted as well, where the Jeffrey 96 is around -4.

So, I would lean Frankenski for more of a true jib ski feel and the Jeffrey 96 if you want something with a bit more all mountain feel in it. Design wise, I find the Jeffrey 96 and PB&J are more similar in function, if you set aside the 5mm in width.

Hope that helps.
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I have seen people riding j108s in the park, so could you do the reverse of having the all mountain capability of the j98a nd say the j108 still has great park ability? Or are people on them in the park weird
 
14033732:LukeTheWaffle said:
I have seen people riding j108s in the park, so could you do the reverse of having the all mountain capability of the j98a nd say the j108 still has great park ability? Or are people on them in the park weird
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I think that depends what you’re doing in the park. I’ve ridden mine all over the mountain, from touring to park jumps. Slow lofty spins I think they’re primo for. So stable and poppy. But there’s no denying they’re a lot of ski (especially if you size up a bit for freeriding like I did) - if you want to whip them around you’ll definitely notice a bit more effort required if you have been used to something lighter and skinnier.

J96 would be easier to whip around while still stable and poppy.

For the Moment ON3P discussion I honestly think it’s about finding out exactly what you’re into and picking from the nuances they offer. Both companies are super sick and make top quality product with morals you can align with. For my next ski I want something more directional than a Frank and softer than a PB&J so I’m planning on a j96 for a smaller resort play ski this season.

If Moment were still making the PB&Jib I think my decision would be even harder.
 
14033914:Kevski said:
I think that depends what you’re doing in the park. I’ve ridden mine all over the mountain, from touring to park jumps. Slow lofty spins I think they’re primo for. So stable and poppy. But there’s no denying they’re a lot of ski (especially if you size up a bit for freeriding like I did) - if you want to whip them around you’ll definitely notice a bit more effort required if you have been used to something lighter and skinnier.

J96 would be easier to whip around while still stable and poppy.

For the Moment ON3P discussion I honestly think it’s about finding out exactly what you’re into and picking from the nuances they offer. Both companies are super sick and make top quality product with morals you can align with. For my next ski I want something more directional than a Frank and softer than a PB&J so I’m planning on a j96 for a smaller resort play ski this season.

If Moment were still making the PB&Jib I think my decision would be even harder.
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We are not making the PB&Jib next season but the Frankenski gets wider. Its 98mm underfoot for 19/20.

You can check it out here on our preview site: www.mmntskis.com

It's the ski Anton was on for SuperUnknown.
 
14034291:link80 said:
We are not making the PB&Jib next season but the Frankenski gets wider. Its 98mm underfoot for 19/20.

You can check it out here on our preview site: www.mmntskis.com

It's the ski Anton was on for SuperUnknown.
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Yeah I saw that and that made for a tricky decision for sure!! Looks awesome and I’d love to ski it. Just not sure symmetrical is right for this spot in my quiver.
 
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