Mindfuck anyone?

heres some basic philosophy. if god is all powerful, could he create a stone that is so heavy that even he couldn't lift? if he could create this stone, then he would be unable to lift it, making him bound by laws of reason. if he couldn't create it, then he's not all powerful. unless you are descartes, who believed that god could create thet stone, and then lift it regardless. case in point, god is not all powerful.

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-steve [always clownin, never frownin. s.1986]

[i treat each day like its game seven in overtime.

born to shine at home and over border lines.]

 
^...Okay...but Smuggs, when you posted about the Dimensions that the brain can understand, I thought there were 5, because the idea of Space Time in relation to Distance and the Force of Gravity as a dimension, which would introduce a 5th? We had a discussion about this with one of my old Physics teachers a few years back.

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Hey, I found my quote... here's your answer, Killy.

''Whatever implies being and nonbeing simultaneously is incompatible with the absolute possibility which falls under divine omnipotence. Such a contradiction is not subject to it, not from any impotence in God, but because it simply does not have the nature of being feasible or possible. Whatever, then, does not involve a contradiction is in the realm of the possible with respect to which God is omnipotent. Whatever involves a contradiction is not within the scope of omnipotence because it cannot qualify for possibility. Better, however, to say that it cannot be done, rather than God cannot do it.''

-St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Vol. 1

In other words, the question is what you might refer to as a category mistake. It's a trick of language. Asking it is like asking for the name of a bachelor's wife, or what a round square looks like. It's not a limit on God's power that he can't do contradictory things; if he can make the rock, he can lift it. a lot of people dismiss this idea. They say 'Oh! Maybe God could just do something we can't understand or imagine, but if only we could understand it, we would see that he had made a round square.

Nonsense. Literally.

A square has straight sides. That's part of what it is to be a square. Round things aren't straight. If they were, they wouldn't be round. There is nothing deep here. To say that something is a round square is to talk nonsense. It means only marginally more than to say that something is a furpled burgledurff. God can't make a furpled burgledurff because it doesn't mean anything. God can't make a round square because what it means is incoherent. Nothing God might do would count as making a round square. And to say that all this is beyond our comprehension is simply wrong. It isn't beyond our comprehension at all that straight things aren't round. It is as obvious as things get. The point is, again, that it is no limitation on God's power that God can't do contradictory things. The reason God can't is that there is nothing that would count as doing them, so there is nothing there for God to do.

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^ Good points, very well written. It put things in perspective.

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Want a total mindfuck, study advanced wave and string concepts. For good reading I would suggest the book 'QED'.

better to burn out...

...then fade away
 
wow.... i wan tto know more about this whole 11 demensions thing... sounds awesome to me. but... if we can only wrap our minds around four (or five) of them, how do we know the otherseven (or six) exist?

I'm not to sure but i did score in the jenious area- loafrider, on IQ tests

In case you hadn't noticed, this is newschoolers.com, not niceschoolers.com -Jib_This, to a whiney bitch, bitching about how much we bitch
 
J.D.May that made no sense at all...

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-steve

[i treat each day like its game seven in overtime.

born to shine at home and over border lines.]
 
^What particular part of it do you want me to explain? God can't do something when there's nothing there to do.

J.D.'s Hall of Fame for Stupid Posts:

''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot

'if it werent for women, i wouldnt have to wear condoms' -Hucksterjibber

''This board seems to have gone downhill since i joined'' -ADjunkie
 
actually skipimp it's one part into 10... or 1 divided by ten. or 0.1 a very small number but he says if each proton and neutron represents a 0 in that number then I can't see that number having more zeros than atoms in the human body. if the average atom has 3 protons and 1 neutron then you'd have 4 x 911 trillion trillion zeros in the number. so the guy is a hack, for saying there aren't enough in the universe. his point however is that 'god's aim' or the probability that humans became all on their own is that number (I'd like to know how he came up with it) and it's a very small probability. but because the probability is low doens't mean that God exists, I believe there's a God - but his point of view is NOT debating if God exists, just God's power has an aim so great that it can cause an event to happen when the odds are GREATLY against it.

-Mike

'ya but he doesnt have a hot tub, thats pretty ghetto' - cj
 
hmm, more like .01^10^123 case (.1(10(123))) would just equal 123, hardly a huge number

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 0.1 times itself ten times result in a much smaller number than 0.1? And then Multiplying that by itself... oh, I see. You're saying that you have a .0000000(...)1% chance, whereas we were expressing it as 1 in some extremely large number. Right? Or am I confused again? Math isn't my forte.

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''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot

'if it werent for women, i wouldnt have to wear condoms' -Hucksterjibber

''This board seems to have gone downhill since i joined'' -ADjunkie
 
ya sorry you know what I mean the brackets were just to show how the exponents worked.

-Mike

'ya but he doesnt have a hot tub, thats pretty ghetto' - cj
 
^^ Either way, if you express the starting number as 10 or .1 it is going to end up with a huge amount of zeros to write out.

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'michael moore called...said he is ready to fuck you again' - SUpilot

'Yeah, most pros are strict Mormons. I read an interview with Tanner where he talked about his experience with a caffinated beverage. He said that it screwed up his style because he was poisoning the temple that is his body. Then some of his wives left him.' - Mistaskier

 
just accept the fact that the number is larger than the universe, because it has to be in order for us to exist.

Friez - 'No one can convincingly explain existence through scientific means, so until that day comes, I'll just believe what I believe.'

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The book im reading does explain existence through scientific means.....It's unbelievable.

Did you guys know that without supernovae, life would not exist? The shockwave of a star exploding pushes hydrogen outwards and causing the creation of heavier, life giving atoms such as carbon and oxygen.

There is proof that all life has to be carbon based.

I will post some more cool stuff in a bit.

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Activism without chaos? or Chaos without activism?

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shwizzle. this is crazy. me confusedededed to the 10th to the 123rd

I'm not to sure but i did score in the jenious area- loafrider, on IQ tests

In case you hadn't noticed, this is newschoolers.com, not niceschoolers.com -Jib_This, to a whiney bitch, bitching about how much we bitch
 
'just accept the fact that the number is larger than the universe, because it has to be in order for us to exist. ' I don't see how our existance depends on the size of a number. it really didn't seem like that was the aim of the theory.

-Mike

'ya but he doesnt have a hot tub, thats pretty ghetto' - cj
 
numbers and time are imaginary, so really they never did exsist.

Why don't you take a long walk on a short peir.
 
the number one rule of life is never to think too much about something, cause if you do, you can come to the realization everything is really an illusion..

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'michael moore called...said he is ready to fuck you again' - SUpilot

'Yeah, most pros are strict Mormons. I read an interview with Tanner where he talked about his experience with a caffinated beverage. He said that it screwed up his style because he was poisoning the temple that is his body. Then some of his wives left him.' - Mistaskier

 
happens a helluvalot to me, specially when i think too much about languages...

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'michael moore called...said he is ready to fuck you again' - SUpilot

'Yeah, most pros are strict Mormons. I read an interview with Tanner where he talked about his experience with a caffinated beverage. He said that it screwed up his style because he was poisoning the temple that is his body. Then some of his wives left him.' - Mistaskier

 
^Holy shit, that's true, especially with languages... I just want to know what ski_pimp's reasoning for the whole 'gods aim' thing was, what are we REALLY discussing here, oh and if this book explaining existence through scientific means was written by L. Ron Hubbard or any scientist who delved into that, it still isn't supported with hard facts.

 
im sorry, but this thread is the most meaningless bullshit to ever grace the nsg, including my post regarding the limits of god. nobody here is making a profound statement, or is saying anything that hasn't already been said. its just a bunch of rhetoric strewn in with attempts at intellect. most of this and more can be found online or in a philosophy text book.

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-steve

[i treat each day like its game seven in overtime.

born to shine at home and over border lines.]
 
^ I disagree with your statement about lack of usefulness of this thread.

And just as for any thread discussing facts rather than opinions, the answers can be found elsewhere, but the point of a forum is to bring ideas together.

Girl, you know its true.

'yup you're right' - strode420
 
yea killy, not all of us have the philosophy books, or really even acess to them. i wouldnt have known that this interested me if not for this thread.this is a really great thread

I'm not to sure but i did score in the jenious area- loafrider, on IQ tests

In case you hadn't noticed, this is newschoolers.com, not niceschoolers.com -Jib_This, to a whiney bitch, bitching about how much we bitch
 
until now, i didnt even know this stuff about limits of god, un-fathimable numbers and theories on life exsisting in the form of scientific hoobidibly hah.

Why don't you take a long walk on a short peir.
 
hey killy howboutcha killyoself?

“Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit�

Activism without chaos? or Chaos without activism?

'The problem with today's youth is not that our fathers don't believe in us, but that we do not believe in our fathers.' - Me.
 
yea well its deffenately all in ur head...everythings in ur head, u begin to realize that after u use hallucinagenic drugs. so its not really something that needs discussion. ur along for a ride. and theres thousands of questions that nobody will probably ever beable to solve until the carrier (your body) dies.

fuck u im out.

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now the only thing to make my life complete is to turn ur face into a toilet seat.....im gonna piss on it.
 
If I did it right in scientific notation: 1 E246. That's actually probably wrong.

No we're not impossible, 'I think therefore I am.' There is no to prove we do not exist, hence we are not impossible. We exist, though the probability of our existence is quite near to nil, we exist. Sure it may be out of pure 'luck' (poor diction, luck is a very ambiguous word). In addition, the pure existence of atoms contributes to proof that we exist. As they are considered the basic building block of life (despite there being smaller objects which make up atoms...) As they exist they contribute to the existence of larger organisms, i.e. us and animals, etc. And still bigger things such as planets and stars. Also to say we are one in trillions is a bit of a stretch. Our extent of space which we know about is less than 0.04% Thats with the use of our high powered super telescopes. So if life exists in this microscopic region of space, whose to say it doesn't exist in the remaining 99.96% I'd say the chances are pretty good that we're not alone. Besides, Tua Ceti, which is cosmically close, even though its light years away, is of similiar distance to a similiar sized sun - thus the chances of it supporting some kind of ecosystem and possibly even life are pretty good.

In the grand scale of things, it is ignorant to say we are of pure luck, when our knowledge of space extends to such a tiny region.

As far as the universe expanding, and yes The universe is expanding - at a very very rapid rate. This is determined by examing stars. Though we can hardly notice with the naked eye, the sky gets stretched as we grow. Now the fear is what happens when space stretches itself too thin - bear in mind the universe is more of a disk than sphere - does it implode on itself, shrink back, split, what happens? But that deals with string theory, Theory of Relativity, and all sorts of crazy stuff.

The layout of the great Pyramids is based on the Fibonnacci Spiral - which is the graphed version of Phi. The Spiral is based on the number pattern 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55, ... Each succeding term is the sum of the prior two terms. When graphed this creates a spiral whose radius constantly grows. Now the ratio of those terms is 1.618... Now the ratio is similiar to pi, it is, to my knowledge, a non repeating decimal. (If you go use your calculator to check, don't be surprised if you get a slighty different number, the calc will round the numbers.) The graphed version looks like this:

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Now back to the pyramids, their layout matches the Spiral, pretty neat huh? Now the question: were the egyptians cognizant of the ratio and thus laid them out accordingly? And if so, how were the able to perfect the positioning with out the aid of an aireal view? Or was it just pure on land measurements that did the trick?

Well that's my rambling.

-AndrewP

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By the way, all this talk really makes me want to pick up my philosophy book again. For those of you wanting a book, heres a great one to start off with, Philosophy: An Introduction Through Literature; by: Lowell Kleimn and Stephen Lewis. The book addresses Knowledge, Truth, Personal Identity, Ethics, Justice, Religious Belief, and Freedom, Fatalism, and Determinism. Now the books structure is its real strong point. Each topic is begun by a Literary Introduction - generally a somewhat well known story dealing with the topic. There is then a 'Philosophical Discussion' in which a series of authors from Greek and Roman scholars to more contemporary thinks, grapple with the topic at hand. Each Topic Section ends with questions and suggestions for further study.

You don't have to sit and read through a whole section to get something, basically if you have a question or are interested just find something that interests you and you're sure to walk away with something.

I got it at Borders, you can probably get them at Amazon and whatnot as well.

-AndrewP

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Go Fishing. Go Ride.

 
Basically, that number is the chance that we would get a universe just perfectly tuned to support life- walking the knife edge between rapid inflation and catastrophic collapse. It also helps that we ended up with 3 flat dimensions, as any other configuration would likely result in the lack of matter as we know it. (this has to do with the fact that subatomic particles such as electrons would function quite differently) The density of matter in our universe is also tailored to the formation of stars and galaxies, as any less would most likely prevent any matter clumping together to form any kind of significant mass. A high matter density would most likely have its own set of nasty problems.

etc., etc., the list goes on.

The 'Anthropic Principle', which all this leads back to, basically states that the universe has to be as it is, because otherwise there would be nobody to observe it. This is a favorite of the proponents of the 'intelligent design' theory, but it also finds favor with physicists- A theory developed by Richard Feynman states that the universe has not only one history. Instead, Heisenburg's uncertainty principle dictates that since it is impossible to know both exactly where a particle is and how fast it is going (since observing it will inevitably effect its state), the (tiny, very hot) early universe, where a single roll of the quantum 'dice' was much more important than it is today, must have split into many possible alternate histories. Perhaps we simply inhabit this possibility because it is the only one that we could possibly inhabit.

In the end, there is indeed a mind-bogglingly low chance that we would be here today... but ask yourself, if we weren't here, could that chance even be considered to exist? And who would be doing the considering?

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can someone answer me why a number like 99999^9999^99999 wouldnt be higher than 1^10^123? and what about 1^10^123+1?

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.If my toes were made of broccoli I would rule the world.
 
me confused

i pee on ur face but i dont care..

i take off ur little sisters underwear

shes only three so shes never seen a wee wee

so i told her it was a lollypop and the flavor was salty.

shoved in her mouth, it punctured through her cheek broke the glasses of that three year old geek.

r. kelly did the same but im not about to give him the blame cuz fucking littles girls is just my game
 
jacob, ((99999(999999))999999) would be larger...it's not the biggest number ever.....it's the odds of the universe coming into creation exactly as it has, and that number is actually bigger than the universe itself....

“Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit�

Activism without chaos? or Chaos without activism?

'The problem with today's youth is not that our fathers don't believe in us, but that we do not believe in our fathers.' - Me.
 
eventually talking like that ^ is just going to turn into non-sence with large words intertwined into the sentences.

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
 
I dont see how the man could have calculated the chances of the universe coming into creation exactly as it has without knowing how the universe has come into creation let alone what the rest of it is like? I heard the theory that all scientists believe physics is constant throughout the universe regardless I think accepting that while it may seem pretty believeable, as fact is a little bold.

God is an American.
 
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