Million marijuana march BE THERE
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anti_bunk
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http://www.procon.org/AddictChart.htm
heres a study of the addictiveness of the most popular drugs. the study concludes that alcohol is about as addictive as heroin and marijuana is about as addictive as caffeine. but you really dont need this study at all. seriously how many people are sent to rehab for weed vs alcoholics.
heres a study of the addictiveness of the most popular drugs. the study concludes that alcohol is about as addictive as heroin and marijuana is about as addictive as caffeine. but you really dont need this study at all. seriously how many people are sent to rehab for weed vs alcoholics.
Au_Champs_Elysees
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I suggest they do what the do in amsterdam
Elijah.
Active member
So by saying because they like the feeling of it, and ensue the feeling again and again by repeating the activity, its addicting?
Again, your logics and argument go to shit.
First off, by this logic, I can surely state your addicted to just about anything you do.
Another point you make in this, is that because people are arguing with you over your sheer stupidy in your argument, you say their "dopamine receptors" have affected their defensiveness, because they smoke pot (assumed)?
Grubix2, you are really bad at arguing.
Again, your logics and argument go to shit.
First off, by this logic, I can surely state your addicted to just about anything you do.
Another point you make in this, is that because people are arguing with you over your sheer stupidy in your argument, you say their "dopamine receptors" have affected their defensiveness, because they smoke pot (assumed)?
Grubix2, you are really bad at arguing.
skiierman
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Bahaha every kid that doesn't know his shit says the same thing. "You are brainwashed by the government and media propaganda trying to keep the ultimate cure to every disease down so pharmacies can continue to make billions." You are so fucking stupid making personal attacks on me just because I threatened your little plant. Here's the truth you fuck:
1. I'm in no way against the use of pot.
2. I have done it myself many times but have moved on from it.
3. EVERY one that I know that is a frequent user has suffered many mental effects from the use of it.
4. EVERY smoker who knows his shit knows that without any source of exercise and constant use, marijuana will wipe out your lungs quick.
5. I'm friends with a lot of people who use it including my older brother. You might be too young to feel it yet, but eventually you will want to stop using it once you feel the toll it's taking on your social life and health. A few already have been aiming to quit. Some succeed, and some don't and are still smoking even though they don't want to.
5. Yes it does benefit people, just like every other drug out there but to say it has no setbacks is probably the dumbest shit out there.
6. Yes the government and media does send out only negative messages about marijuana use but that doesn't mean that the facts like the amount of tar in it are not true. All that other shit like the kid getting shot in the face, or running over that girl... that stuff never happens in real life. That's the propaganda bullshit. You are obviously not smart enough to weed that out apparently.
1. I'm in no way against the use of pot.
2. I have done it myself many times but have moved on from it.
3. EVERY one that I know that is a frequent user has suffered many mental effects from the use of it.
4. EVERY smoker who knows his shit knows that without any source of exercise and constant use, marijuana will wipe out your lungs quick.
5. I'm friends with a lot of people who use it including my older brother. You might be too young to feel it yet, but eventually you will want to stop using it once you feel the toll it's taking on your social life and health. A few already have been aiming to quit. Some succeed, and some don't and are still smoking even though they don't want to.
5. Yes it does benefit people, just like every other drug out there but to say it has no setbacks is probably the dumbest shit out there.
6. Yes the government and media does send out only negative messages about marijuana use but that doesn't mean that the facts like the amount of tar in it are not true. All that other shit like the kid getting shot in the face, or running over that girl... that stuff never happens in real life. That's the propaganda bullshit. You are obviously not smart enough to weed that out apparently.
manwiththemetalleg
Active member
I smoke yet a strongly oppose legalisation. I'm not going to get deep into my reasons why right now, but i'm quite happy with the laws on it in England right now. If police see me smoking in the street or park, it just gets taken off me. Shit my friend just got a warning the other day for holding 5 ounces. If it is legalised, prices will increase, in some ways it'l also become harder to get due to whatever restrictions are applied.
A lot of people here do not know what they are talking about when it comes to the effects of cannabis on health. I'm not saying that i do either, but just because you support or oppose marajuana, doesn't mean you should ignore facts that are presented by either side of the debate. The only people you are fooling are yourselves. I've been smoking for 5 years, and whilst i enjoy it, i also know it is harmful to my health. Any type of smoke that goes into your lungs increases the risks of cancer, and yes, according to many studies cannabis smoke is a lot worse than cigarette smoke. I also believe that cannabis can increase risks of mental illnesses such as schizophrenia in teenagers. The brain is still in development at this age and should'nt be fucked with. I have just had a six month break from smoking due to suffering from paranoia following a smoke. This did'nt just happen once, it was a regular occurence. This to me is evidence enough that marajuana can be harmful to your mental state.
Anyway, i have provided no evidence to back my statements up as to be honest its all available freely if you have a look, but the problem is a lot of people here are so supportive or opposed towards the subject that they don't want to hear the other side of the story. It pretty fucking ignorant and won't help anyone.
A lot of people here do not know what they are talking about when it comes to the effects of cannabis on health. I'm not saying that i do either, but just because you support or oppose marajuana, doesn't mean you should ignore facts that are presented by either side of the debate. The only people you are fooling are yourselves. I've been smoking for 5 years, and whilst i enjoy it, i also know it is harmful to my health. Any type of smoke that goes into your lungs increases the risks of cancer, and yes, according to many studies cannabis smoke is a lot worse than cigarette smoke. I also believe that cannabis can increase risks of mental illnesses such as schizophrenia in teenagers. The brain is still in development at this age and should'nt be fucked with. I have just had a six month break from smoking due to suffering from paranoia following a smoke. This did'nt just happen once, it was a regular occurence. This to me is evidence enough that marajuana can be harmful to your mental state.
Anyway, i have provided no evidence to back my statements up as to be honest its all available freely if you have a look, but the problem is a lot of people here are so supportive or opposed towards the subject that they don't want to hear the other side of the story. It pretty fucking ignorant and won't help anyone.
MADr.
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In the last half of 2003, marijuana was the third most commonly abused drug mentioned in drug-related hospital emergency department (ED) visits in the continental United States, at 12.6 percent, following cocaine (20 percent) and alcohol (48.7 percent)2.
nice site you've got there. alchohol causes 4 times more emergency visits than pot, interesting.
nice site you've got there. alchohol causes 4 times more emergency visits than pot, interesting.
GnarBurger
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holy shit a city by me is on the list
leckett1
Active member
but think of it this way. how often does a cigarette smoker smoke? maybe 2-3...maybe more a day. weed isnt smoked that often (well by the majority). obviously its bad for you but a cigarette smoker will back down 10 times more cigarettes than spliffs in his lifetime so tell me which is more dangerous?
Capt.Flannel
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no, I just thought I'd post a bit of burlington pride.
Yes, it says Burlington on the list.
Yes, it says Burlington on the list.
poor@$$skibum
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you will notice that exactly 20 letters into that address there lies a .gov which makes me ignore any information that site may encompass. To get reliable unbiased data and facts you need to read scientific studies and their findings. After you read some truly unbiased information about marijuana I will have a discussion about the potential consequences and outcomes of legalization/decriminalization. And the reason I and many others are being "defensive" (I call it stating an opinion but whatever) is because the information you project as facts are blatant and obvious misconceptions about marijuana. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure you have a decent mental capacity seeing as you're in college and all so don't think I'm calling you stupid but it's uniformed and misinformed people like you who comprise the greatest percentage of the population. If an effort was made similar to d.a.r.e. that educated kids today about exactly what marijuana does or does not do I guarantee you by the time those kids reached voting age marijuana would be legalized. Once you know the truth and not government bullshit legalization is much more sensical than the current waste of hundreds of millions on prosecuting pot heads.
If it did become legal to buy in stores and stuff how would it work. Would there be special weed farms? Would it even be good bud? Do you think there would be different weed companys like there is with alcohol? I'm all for making it legal I just dont understand how the goverment would go about it.
How does it work in Amsterdam?
How does it work in Amsterdam?
almostaskier
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'cough cough*
From that article:
1 Results from the 2004 National Survey on Drug Use and Health: National Findings (Office of Applied Studies, NSDUH Series H–27, DHHS Publication No. SMA 05–4061). Rockville, MD, 2004. NSDUH is an annual survey conducted by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. Copies of the latest survey are available from the National Clearinghouse for Alcohol and Drug Information at 800-729-6686.
2 These data are from the annual Drug Abuse Warning Network, funded by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, DHHS. The survey provides information about emergency department visits that are induced by or related to the use of an illicit drug or the nonmedical use of a legal drug. The latest data are available at 800-729-6686 or online at www.samhsa.gov.
3 These data are from the 2005 Monitoring the Future Survey, funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, National Institutes of Health, DHHS, and conducted annually by the University of Michigan’s Institute for Social Research. The survey has tracked 12th-graders’ illicit drug use and related attitudes since 1975; in 1991, 8th- and 10th-graders were added to the study. The latest data are online at www.drugabuse.gov.
4 Herkenham M, Lynn A, Little MD, Johnson MR, et al. Cannabinoid receptor localization in the brain. Proc Natl Acad Sci, USA 87(5):1932–1936, 1990.
5 Rodriguez de Fonseca F, et al. Activation of cortocotropin-releasing factor in the limbic system during cannabinoid withdrawal. Science 276(5321):2050–2054, 1997.
6 Diana M, Melis M, Muntoni AL, et al. Mesolimbic dopaminergic decline after cannabinoid withdrawal. Proc Natl Acad Sci 95(17):10269–10273, 1998.
7 Mittleman MA, Lewis RA, Maclure M, et al. Triggering myocardial infarction by marijuana. Circulation 103(23):2805–2809, 2001.
8 Polen MR, Sidney S, Tekawa IS, et al. Health care use by frequent marijuana smokers who do not smoke tobacco. West J Med 158(6):596–601, 1993.
9 Tashkin DP. Pulmonary complications of smoked substance abuse. West J Med 152(5):525–530, 1990.
10 Zhang ZF, Morgenstern H, Spitz MR, et al. Marijuana use and increased risk of squamous cell carcinoma of the head and neck. Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention 8(12):1071–1078, 1999.
11 Sridhar KS, Raub WA, Weatherby, NL Jr., et al. Possible role of marijuana smoking as a carcinogen in the development of lung cancer at a young age. Journal of Psychoactive Drugs 26(3):285–288, 1994.
12 Hoffman D, Brunnemann KD, Gori GB, et al. On the carcinogenicity of marijuana smoke. In: VC Runeckles, ed, Recent Advances in Phytochemistry. New York. Plenum, 1975.
13 Cohen S. Adverse effects of marijuana: Selected issues. Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 362:119–124, 1981.
14 Adams IB, Martin BR: Cannabis: pharmacology and toxicology in animals and humans. Addiction 91(11):1585–1614, 1996.
15 Friedman H, Newton C, Klein TW. Microbial infections, immunomodulation, and drugs of abuse. Clin Microbiol Rev 16(2):209–219, 2003.
16 Zhu LX, Sharma M, Stolina S, et al. Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits antitumor immunity by a CB2 receptor-mediated, cytokine-dependent pathway. J Immunology 165(1):373–380, 2000.
17 Brook JS, Rosen Z, Brook DW. The effect of early marijuana use on later anxiety and depressive symptoms. NYS Psychologist 35–39, January 2001.
18 Brook JS, Cohen P, Brook DW. Longitudinal study of co-occurring psychiatric disorders and substance use. J Acad Child and Adolescent Psych 37(3):322–330, 1998.
19 Pope HG, Yurgelun-Todd D. The residual cognitive effects of heavy marijuana use in college students. JAMA 275(7):521–527, 1996.
20 Block RI, Ghoneim MM. Effects of chronic marijuana use on human cognition. Psychopharmacology 100(1–2):219–228, 1993.
21 Lynskey M, Hall W. The effects of adolescent cannabis use on educational attainment: A review. Addiction 95(11):1621–1630, 2000.
22 Kandel DB, Davies M. High school students who use crack and other drugs. Arch Gen Psychiatry 53(1):71–80, 1996.
23 Rob M, Reynolds I, Finlayson PF. Adolescent marijuana use: Risk factors and implications. Aust NZ J Psychiatry 24(1):45–56, 1990.
24 Brook JS, Balka EB, Whiteman M. The risks for late adolescence of early adolescent marijuana use. Am J Public Health 89(10):1549–1554, 1999.
25 Pope HG, Gruber AJ, Hudson JI, et al. Neuropsychological performance in long-term cannabis users. Arch Gen Psychiatry 58(10):909–915, 2001.
26 Zwerling C, Ryan J, Orav EJ. The efficacy of pre-employment drug screening for marijuana and cocaine in predicting employment outcome. JAMA 264(20):2639–2643, 1990.
27 Gruber AJ, Pope HG, Hudson JI, et al. Attributes of long-term heavy cannabis users: A case control study. Psychological Medicine 33(8):1415–1422, 2003.
28 Fried PA, Makin JE. Neonatal behavioural correlates of prenatal exposure to marihuana, cigarettes and alcohol in a low risk population. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 9(1):1–7, 1987.
29 Lester BM, Dreher M. Effects of marijuana use during pregnancy on newborn crying. Child Development 60(23/24):764–771, 1989.
30 Fried PA. The Ottawa prenatal prospective study (OPPS): Methodological issues and findings. It’s easy to throw the baby out with the bath water. Life Sciences 56(23–24):2159–2168, 1995.
31 Fried PA, Smith AM. A literature review of the consequences of prenatal marihuana exposure: An emerging theme of a deficiency in aspects of executive function. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 23(1):1–11, 2001.
32 Kouri EM, Pope HG, Lukas SE. Changes in aggressive behavior during withdrawal from long-term marijuana use. Psychopharmacology 143(3):302–308, 1999.
33 Haney M, Ward AS, Comer SD, et al. Abstinence symptoms following smoked marijuana in humans. Psychopharmacology 141(4):395–404, 1999.
34 Lyons MJ, Toomey R, Meyer JM, et al. How do genes influence marijuana use? The role of subjective effects. Addiction 92(4):409–417, 1997.
35 These data from the Treatment Episode Data Set (TEDS) 2003: Substance Abuse Treatment Admissions by Primary Substance of Abuse, According to Sex, Age Group, Race, and Ethnicity, funded by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, DHHS. The latest data are available at 800-729-6686 or online at www.samhsa.gov.
36 Stephens RS, Roffman RA, Curtin L. Comparison of extended versus brief treatments for marijuana use. J Consult Clin Psychol 68(5):898–908, 2000.
37 Budney AJ, Higgins ST, Radonovich KJ, et al. Adding voucher-based incentives to coping skills and motivational enhancement improves outcomes during treatment for marijuana dependence. J Consult Clin Psychol 68(6):1051–1061, 2000.
From that article:
1 Results from the 2004 National Survey on Drug Use and Health: National Findings (Office of Applied Studies, NSDUH Series H–27, DHHS Publication No. SMA 05–4061). Rockville, MD, 2004. NSDUH is an annual survey conducted by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. Copies of the latest survey are available from the National Clearinghouse for Alcohol and Drug Information at 800-729-6686.
2 These data are from the annual Drug Abuse Warning Network, funded by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, DHHS. The survey provides information about emergency department visits that are induced by or related to the use of an illicit drug or the nonmedical use of a legal drug. The latest data are available at 800-729-6686 or online at www.samhsa.gov.
3 These data are from the 2005 Monitoring the Future Survey, funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, National Institutes of Health, DHHS, and conducted annually by the University of Michigan’s Institute for Social Research. The survey has tracked 12th-graders’ illicit drug use and related attitudes since 1975; in 1991, 8th- and 10th-graders were added to the study. The latest data are online at www.drugabuse.gov.
4 Herkenham M, Lynn A, Little MD, Johnson MR, et al. Cannabinoid receptor localization in the brain. Proc Natl Acad Sci, USA 87(5):1932–1936, 1990.
5 Rodriguez de Fonseca F, et al. Activation of cortocotropin-releasing factor in the limbic system during cannabinoid withdrawal. Science 276(5321):2050–2054, 1997.
6 Diana M, Melis M, Muntoni AL, et al. Mesolimbic dopaminergic decline after cannabinoid withdrawal. Proc Natl Acad Sci 95(17):10269–10273, 1998.
7 Mittleman MA, Lewis RA, Maclure M, et al. Triggering myocardial infarction by marijuana. Circulation 103(23):2805–2809, 2001.
8 Polen MR, Sidney S, Tekawa IS, et al. Health care use by frequent marijuana smokers who do not smoke tobacco. West J Med 158(6):596–601, 1993.
9 Tashkin DP. Pulmonary complications of smoked substance abuse. West J Med 152(5):525–530, 1990.
10 Zhang ZF, Morgenstern H, Spitz MR, et al. Marijuana use and increased risk of squamous cell carcinoma of the head and neck. Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention 8(12):1071–1078, 1999.
11 Sridhar KS, Raub WA, Weatherby, NL Jr., et al. Possible role of marijuana smoking as a carcinogen in the development of lung cancer at a young age. Journal of Psychoactive Drugs 26(3):285–288, 1994.
12 Hoffman D, Brunnemann KD, Gori GB, et al. On the carcinogenicity of marijuana smoke. In: VC Runeckles, ed, Recent Advances in Phytochemistry. New York. Plenum, 1975.
13 Cohen S. Adverse effects of marijuana: Selected issues. Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 362:119–124, 1981.
14 Adams IB, Martin BR: Cannabis: pharmacology and toxicology in animals and humans. Addiction 91(11):1585–1614, 1996.
15 Friedman H, Newton C, Klein TW. Microbial infections, immunomodulation, and drugs of abuse. Clin Microbiol Rev 16(2):209–219, 2003.
16 Zhu LX, Sharma M, Stolina S, et al. Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits antitumor immunity by a CB2 receptor-mediated, cytokine-dependent pathway. J Immunology 165(1):373–380, 2000.
17 Brook JS, Rosen Z, Brook DW. The effect of early marijuana use on later anxiety and depressive symptoms. NYS Psychologist 35–39, January 2001.
18 Brook JS, Cohen P, Brook DW. Longitudinal study of co-occurring psychiatric disorders and substance use. J Acad Child and Adolescent Psych 37(3):322–330, 1998.
19 Pope HG, Yurgelun-Todd D. The residual cognitive effects of heavy marijuana use in college students. JAMA 275(7):521–527, 1996.
20 Block RI, Ghoneim MM. Effects of chronic marijuana use on human cognition. Psychopharmacology 100(1–2):219–228, 1993.
21 Lynskey M, Hall W. The effects of adolescent cannabis use on educational attainment: A review. Addiction 95(11):1621–1630, 2000.
22 Kandel DB, Davies M. High school students who use crack and other drugs. Arch Gen Psychiatry 53(1):71–80, 1996.
23 Rob M, Reynolds I, Finlayson PF. Adolescent marijuana use: Risk factors and implications. Aust NZ J Psychiatry 24(1):45–56, 1990.
24 Brook JS, Balka EB, Whiteman M. The risks for late adolescence of early adolescent marijuana use. Am J Public Health 89(10):1549–1554, 1999.
25 Pope HG, Gruber AJ, Hudson JI, et al. Neuropsychological performance in long-term cannabis users. Arch Gen Psychiatry 58(10):909–915, 2001.
26 Zwerling C, Ryan J, Orav EJ. The efficacy of pre-employment drug screening for marijuana and cocaine in predicting employment outcome. JAMA 264(20):2639–2643, 1990.
27 Gruber AJ, Pope HG, Hudson JI, et al. Attributes of long-term heavy cannabis users: A case control study. Psychological Medicine 33(8):1415–1422, 2003.
28 Fried PA, Makin JE. Neonatal behavioural correlates of prenatal exposure to marihuana, cigarettes and alcohol in a low risk population. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 9(1):1–7, 1987.
29 Lester BM, Dreher M. Effects of marijuana use during pregnancy on newborn crying. Child Development 60(23/24):764–771, 1989.
30 Fried PA. The Ottawa prenatal prospective study (OPPS): Methodological issues and findings. It’s easy to throw the baby out with the bath water. Life Sciences 56(23–24):2159–2168, 1995.
31 Fried PA, Smith AM. A literature review of the consequences of prenatal marihuana exposure: An emerging theme of a deficiency in aspects of executive function. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 23(1):1–11, 2001.
32 Kouri EM, Pope HG, Lukas SE. Changes in aggressive behavior during withdrawal from long-term marijuana use. Psychopharmacology 143(3):302–308, 1999.
33 Haney M, Ward AS, Comer SD, et al. Abstinence symptoms following smoked marijuana in humans. Psychopharmacology 141(4):395–404, 1999.
34 Lyons MJ, Toomey R, Meyer JM, et al. How do genes influence marijuana use? The role of subjective effects. Addiction 92(4):409–417, 1997.
35 These data from the Treatment Episode Data Set (TEDS) 2003: Substance Abuse Treatment Admissions by Primary Substance of Abuse, According to Sex, Age Group, Race, and Ethnicity, funded by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, DHHS. The latest data are available at 800-729-6686 or online at www.samhsa.gov.
36 Stephens RS, Roffman RA, Curtin L. Comparison of extended versus brief treatments for marijuana use. J Consult Clin Psychol 68(5):898–908, 2000.
37 Budney AJ, Higgins ST, Radonovich KJ, et al. Adding voucher-based incentives to coping skills and motivational enhancement improves outcomes during treatment for marijuana dependence. J Consult Clin Psychol 68(6):1051–1061, 2000.
Bob_Loblaw
Active member
I didn't read most of the thread, but don't trust government sponsored studies. A lot of them have been proven completely wrong and they are used to propagate whatever agenda of the government. Pot will not be legalized. Not because of it's harm to the user, and not because of it's negative effects on society. First of all, the government can't control it. It is a weed, anyone can grow it. They won't make any money on it. Second, the pharmeceutical and tobacco companies, both of which have huge lobbying influence, will be tremendously hurt by it. The government doesn't care about the health and safety of us. They know that if drugs were legalized, it would take away most of the violence in the country. Gangs wouldn't have money for guns, and turf wars wouldn't go on. The only way it would be legalized was if they could control it and tobacco and drug companies could sell it.
oakjewlery
Active member
nope maritree was made illegal in 1937.
and lemme put some links out for you fuck bags that think pot is harmful....
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7241
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7157
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7156
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7203
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7175
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7154
like Funkengruven said the government funded studies are usually very biased and mostly bullshit
but you fuckers are the ignorant ones who argue that marijuana is no bueno.
and lemme put some links out for you fuck bags that think pot is harmful....
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7241
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7157
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7156
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7203
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7175
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7154
like Funkengruven said the government funded studies are usually very biased and mostly bullshit
but you fuckers are the ignorant ones who argue that marijuana is no bueno.
almostaskier
Active member
aHA! now i'm gonna THAT site seriously because THEY think that pot is A-OK!
Hooray for unbiased studies! wahoo!
Hooray for unbiased studies! wahoo!
bailer
Active member
No weed doesn’t, but drug money does. If crack was legalized how many people on here would run out and take a hit? I know I sure as fuck wouldn’t. Think about all the rich drug dealers who would be fucked if they legalized everything. Real business that followed legitimate laws would take over and everyone would be so much better off.
skiierman
Active member
We are just talking about legalizing only marijuana here and marijuana doesn't pay for all the drug lords out there. For some it may, for some it doesn't. We cannot say either way that if marijuana was sold legally, that it would have a huge impact on the drug trade because NO ONE on this site can even fathom how the drug trade works on a whole and what they depend on and how much. To say that all violence would stop if marijuana was legalized is just stupid. Not a bad kind of stupid thought, but still stupid.
anti_bunk
Active member
whoever said if it was legal it would become all corporate and shit i think you make a good point. i would hate to see weed go down the path that big tobacco companies are taking. however i think you would see it more in loose form like pipe tobacco. and i think they would have a large variety of strains and shit. think of it like beer. theres budweiser and coors and shit you can buy almost anywhere. but then you have those really cool local beers or imported beers and shit thats unique and tries to set itself apart from the rest. i dont think the tobacco companies are gonna take our weed from us, if they do well grow our own.
Macblizzle
Member
FUCK YOU
SHUT UP FAGGIT...NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR YOUR DUMB ASS TRY TO COMPARE MARIJUANA TO CIGARETTES
GO DO WHAT EVERYONE HAS TOLD YOU YOUR WHOLE LIFE
DONT THINK ABOUT IT..PULL THE TRIGGER
SHUT UP FAGGIT...NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR YOUR DUMB ASS TRY TO COMPARE MARIJUANA TO CIGARETTES
GO DO WHAT EVERYONE HAS TOLD YOU YOUR WHOLE LIFE
DONT THINK ABOUT IT..PULL THE TRIGGER
I stopped reading after that.
1. Long term pot is more dangerous? Are you fucking kidding me, compare some alcohol stats to marijuana ones. If you have any intelligence you'll be able to make the observations that alcohol is MUCH more dangerous than pot.
2. Yes, marijuana smoke is more dangerous, but think about the amount of cigarettes smoked by your average smoker per day, 10?15? a pack? Now how many people do you know that smoke 15 joints a day? Not too many. Most people who I consider smoke a lot of weed average two to three joints a day, while the occasional smoker will smoke a few times a week.
3. You can't say "especially neurological problems" without giving examples, and more important unbiased research. How about you compare long-term "neurological problems" to the health problems caused by cigarettes and alcohol. Or even other illegal drugs.
4. "Pot is more addicting than alcohol." I don't need to say much here, I'm sure most people will be able to see how fucking stupid that statement is.
5. Pot is easier to carry and use than alcohol...so what? But just for the argument, it's not really hard to drink, all you need is a bottle of alcohol. I'm not sure about you, but I don't find the act of drinking very difficult. Rolling a spliff or packing a bowl is in my opinion harder than pouring liquids down your throat, which I'm pretty sure any human being can do. To smoke you not only need marijuana, you need something to smoke out of, and a lighter. Also, it is illegal to smoke indoors, while on the other hand any Joe can fill his water bottle with vodka and get wasted.
6. Alcohol and marijuana do not provide a similar effect.
1. Long term pot is more dangerous? Are you fucking kidding me, compare some alcohol stats to marijuana ones. If you have any intelligence you'll be able to make the observations that alcohol is MUCH more dangerous than pot.
2. Yes, marijuana smoke is more dangerous, but think about the amount of cigarettes smoked by your average smoker per day, 10?15? a pack? Now how many people do you know that smoke 15 joints a day? Not too many. Most people who I consider smoke a lot of weed average two to three joints a day, while the occasional smoker will smoke a few times a week.
3. You can't say "especially neurological problems" without giving examples, and more important unbiased research. How about you compare long-term "neurological problems" to the health problems caused by cigarettes and alcohol. Or even other illegal drugs.
4. "Pot is more addicting than alcohol." I don't need to say much here, I'm sure most people will be able to see how fucking stupid that statement is.
5. Pot is easier to carry and use than alcohol...so what? But just for the argument, it's not really hard to drink, all you need is a bottle of alcohol. I'm not sure about you, but I don't find the act of drinking very difficult. Rolling a spliff or packing a bowl is in my opinion harder than pouring liquids down your throat, which I'm pretty sure any human being can do. To smoke you not only need marijuana, you need something to smoke out of, and a lighter. Also, it is illegal to smoke indoors, while on the other hand any Joe can fill his water bottle with vodka and get wasted.
6. Alcohol and marijuana do not provide a similar effect.
• Underage
alcohol use is more likely to kill young people than all illegal
drugs
combined. More than 1,700 college students in the U.S. are
killed each year—
about
4.65 a day—as a result of alcohol-related injuries.
• Fetal
Alcohol Spectrum Disorders (FASD) are the leading preventable cause
of
birth
defects in the U.S., affecting as many as 40,000 babies per year and
costing
upwards
of $5.4 billion per year.
• Health
risks of drinking include increased incidence of cancers of the
liver,
esophagus,
throat, and larynx (voice box), as well as liver cirrhosis, immune
system
problems, brain damage, and heart problems.
• Alcohol
is implicated in the deaths of some 85,000 Americans every year,
making it
the nation's third leading cause of preventable death after smoking
and obesity.
• Drunk
driving accounts for about 16,000 alcohol-related deaths per year,
only
about
25% of all alcohol-related deaths. One-quarter of all emergency room
admissions,
one-third of all suicides, and more than half of all homicides and
incidents
of domestic violence are alcohol-related.
• Alcohol-related
problems cost the U.S. economy an estimated $185 billion per
year
in lost productivity and earnings due to alcohol-related illness,
premature
death,
and crime.
• The
alcoholic-beverage industry so far contributed nearly $4 million to
federal
candidates
and parties in the 2006 election cycle alone.9
Contributions from the
National
Beer Wholesalers Association (NBWA) account for nearly 40% of this
amount.
In the 2005-2006 election cycle, the NBWA’s political action
committee
(PAC)
is the second largest of all PACs, next to the National Association
of
Realtors.
• More
than half (260) of the U.S. House of Representatives members seeking
reelection in
the 2006 campaign cycle took contributions from the NBWA (nearly
20%
of recipients took $10,000 or more).
1 Rogers, J. & Greenfield, T. Beer drinking accounts for most of the hazardous alcohol consumption
reported in the United States. Journal of Studies on Alcohol 60(6): 732-739. 1999. Greenfield, T.
Consumption and risk patterns: Who buys and who pays? Paper presented at the Winter School US market.
Impact.26 (14/15): 7-8, July 15/August 1, 1996. Themba, M. in the Sun, Brisbane, Australia, July 1-4, 1996
(available from the Alcohol Research Group, Public Health Institute, 1000 Hearst Ave., Suite 300,
Berkeley, CA 94709).
2 Grunbaum, J.A.; Kann, L.; Kinchen, S.A.; et al. Youth risk behavior surveillance: United States, 2001.
MMWR: Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 51(SS0 4): 1–62, 2002. (6) Young, S.E.; Corley, R.P.;
Stallings, M.C.; et al. Substance use, abuse and dependence in adolescence: Prevalence, symptom profiles
and correlates. Drug and Alcohol Dependence 68(3):309–322, 2002.
3 Magnitude of Alcohol-Related Mortality and Morbidity Among U.S. College Students Ages 18-24:
Changes from 1998 to 2001; Ralph Hingson, Timothy Heeren, Michael Winter, Henry Wechsler; Annual
Review of Public Health, April 2005, Vol. 26: pp. 259-279.
4 Grant, B.F., and Dawson, D.A. Age of onset of alcohol use and its association with DSM–IV alcohol
abuse and dependence: Results from the National Longitudinal Alcohol Epidemiologic Survey. Journal of
Substance Abuse 9:103–110, 1997.
5 National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), Strategic Plan 2001-2005.
6 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services
Administration (SAMHSA) FASD Center for Excellence, 2003.
7 Center on Alcohol Marketing and Youth. “Alcohol Industry Responsibility Advertising on Television,
2001 to 2003.” (2005)
8 “Alcohol Advertising on Television, 2001-2004: The Move to Cable,” Center on Alcohol Marketing and
Youth (December, 2005).
9 OpenSecrets.org (http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.asp?Ind=N02)
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alcohol use is more likely to kill young people than all illegal
drugs
combined. More than 1,700 college students in the U.S. are
killed each year—
about
4.65 a day—as a result of alcohol-related injuries.
• Fetal
Alcohol Spectrum Disorders (FASD) are the leading preventable cause
of
birth
defects in the U.S., affecting as many as 40,000 babies per year and
costing
upwards
of $5.4 billion per year.
• Health
risks of drinking include increased incidence of cancers of the
liver,
esophagus,
throat, and larynx (voice box), as well as liver cirrhosis, immune
system
problems, brain damage, and heart problems.
• Alcohol
is implicated in the deaths of some 85,000 Americans every year,
making it
the nation's third leading cause of preventable death after smoking
and obesity.
• Drunk
driving accounts for about 16,000 alcohol-related deaths per year,
only
about
25% of all alcohol-related deaths. One-quarter of all emergency room
admissions,
one-third of all suicides, and more than half of all homicides and
incidents
of domestic violence are alcohol-related.
• Alcohol-related
problems cost the U.S. economy an estimated $185 billion per
year
in lost productivity and earnings due to alcohol-related illness,
premature
death,
and crime.
• The
alcoholic-beverage industry so far contributed nearly $4 million to
federal
candidates
and parties in the 2006 election cycle alone.9
Contributions from the
National
Beer Wholesalers Association (NBWA) account for nearly 40% of this
amount.
In the 2005-2006 election cycle, the NBWA’s political action
committee
(PAC)
is the second largest of all PACs, next to the National Association
of
Realtors.
• More
than half (260) of the U.S. House of Representatives members seeking
reelection in
the 2006 campaign cycle took contributions from the NBWA (nearly
20%
of recipients took $10,000 or more).
1 Rogers, J. & Greenfield, T. Beer drinking accounts for most of the hazardous alcohol consumption
reported in the United States. Journal of Studies on Alcohol 60(6): 732-739. 1999. Greenfield, T.
Consumption and risk patterns: Who buys and who pays? Paper presented at the Winter School US market.
Impact.26 (14/15): 7-8, July 15/August 1, 1996. Themba, M. in the Sun, Brisbane, Australia, July 1-4, 1996
(available from the Alcohol Research Group, Public Health Institute, 1000 Hearst Ave., Suite 300,
Berkeley, CA 94709).
2 Grunbaum, J.A.; Kann, L.; Kinchen, S.A.; et al. Youth risk behavior surveillance: United States, 2001.
MMWR: Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 51(SS0 4): 1–62, 2002. (6) Young, S.E.; Corley, R.P.;
Stallings, M.C.; et al. Substance use, abuse and dependence in adolescence: Prevalence, symptom profiles
and correlates. Drug and Alcohol Dependence 68(3):309–322, 2002.
3 Magnitude of Alcohol-Related Mortality and Morbidity Among U.S. College Students Ages 18-24:
Changes from 1998 to 2001; Ralph Hingson, Timothy Heeren, Michael Winter, Henry Wechsler; Annual
Review of Public Health, April 2005, Vol. 26: pp. 259-279.
4 Grant, B.F., and Dawson, D.A. Age of onset of alcohol use and its association with DSM–IV alcohol
abuse and dependence: Results from the National Longitudinal Alcohol Epidemiologic Survey. Journal of
Substance Abuse 9:103–110, 1997.
5 National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), Strategic Plan 2001-2005.
6 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services
Administration (SAMHSA) FASD Center for Excellence, 2003.
7 Center on Alcohol Marketing and Youth. “Alcohol Industry Responsibility Advertising on Television,
2001 to 2003.” (2005)
8 “Alcohol Advertising on Television, 2001-2004: The Move to Cable,” Center on Alcohol Marketing and
Youth (December, 2005).
9 OpenSecrets.org (http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.asp?Ind=N02)
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Galli
Active member
Im seriously concerned at the amount of MORONS in this thread.... im furthermore BOTHERED at those who are completly unaware of issues with marijuana trying to defend their side of the story and they no NOTHING about it.... Fuck , Fuck, Fuck, i dont even know what to say right now im so heart broken at the fact that they're are so many DUMBass's in the world.... Fuck
Bob_Loblaw
Active member
I said if DRUGS were legal. I was mainly talking about cocaine, heroin and meth. I said violence would be greatly reduced, not stopped. Selling crack and meth is the main source of money for street gangs. No money = No guns. Of course there will still be violence, but not nearly as much organized violence. But I mainly brought this up as a point that our government does not care about our individual health, so the argument about the health effects of marijuana is pretty much irrelevant. It will only be legal if it were economically beneficial, which it never will be.
dman1260
Member
After reading all of the replies in the thread I'm starting to think that all of those who highly favor pot are doing exactly what you are accusing this guy of. Most people, on both sides of the arguement, are just looking at the facts that support what they want to believe. Like for instance, you can't use a weed website to support your whole arguement. I think everyone who is for the legalization of weed just needs to admit that weed is bad for you in certain areas, but you just don't think its bad enough to stop it from being legalized or to warrant that it be illegal while other substances are legal. And those who don't think it should be legalized may need to get some more facts, but based on what I read, the studies seemed to be backed by a variety of different organizations most of which are free from political pressure. So weed users, just admit weed is bad for you, we all know it is, but those against the legalization also realize that doesn't mean it can't be legal.
Weed is not healthy. There are obvious health issues that stem from marijuana smoking, but I won't go as far as saying weed is bad for me.
It has negative affects, but also positive ones. And in MY case, the positive outweigh the negative. That's why I smoke. Will I always smoke? Probably not, but at this point in my life, I do not consider smoking as something which is hurting me.
It has negative affects, but also positive ones. And in MY case, the positive outweigh the negative. That's why I smoke. Will I always smoke? Probably not, but at this point in my life, I do not consider smoking as something which is hurting me.
skier*chick
Member
and there's no active chemical in food to make it addictive but the fat people are still fat, aren't they?
exactly
exactly
Bob_Loblaw
Active member
Food's not illegal. What's your point here?
skier*chick
Member
I was just pointing out how people can get addicted to anything, with or without an "addictive chemical" in it.
Albrecht.
Active member
uh maybe you misinterpreted my post. I was pointing out that it has nothing like nicotine in it that would make it physically addictive. I then said that its just as addictive as running or anything else that makes you feel good. My point was that using the fact that marijuana carries a slight risk of addiction has no bearing in this argument.