Michael Moore making new movie
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'Fifty-one percent of the American people lacked information (in this election) and we want to educate and enlighten them,' Moore was quoted in Thursday's edition of Variety
thats some funny shit, poor moore. Wait a minute, no REALLY REALLY RICH MOORE.
We pay our debt sometimes.
thats some funny shit, poor moore. Wait a minute, no REALLY REALLY RICH MOORE.
We pay our debt sometimes.
ski8990
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I thought 9-11 was funny. Even if you disagree with it. I mean how could you not laugh at that last clip of bush talking? or when it says bush didnt report for a medical examination and it plays a 2 second clip of 'cocaine'.
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Gretzky gets the rebound. he feeds the puck to LeClair. he shoots! he scores! the crowd goes wild
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Gretzky gets the rebound. he feeds the puck to LeClair. he shoots! he scores! the crowd goes wild
tandan83
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time magazine also said he is working on a movie about healthcare in america called sicko
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skiierman
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Wait, before I click on the link wasting 2 minutes of my life, is this new film called FareinHYPE 9/11? I saw a commerical for it and it says every documentary deserves another and I wasn't sure if it was against Moore or for him.
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three60mute
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I doubt he would have made this movie if Kerry had won. Just shows you what kind of person he is.
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''Independence is for the very few; it is a privilege of the strong. And whoever attempts it even with the best right but without inner constraint proves that he is probably not only strong, but also daring to the point of recklessness. He enters into a labyrinth, he multiplies a thousandfold the dangers which life brings with it in any case, not the least of which is that no one can see how and where he loses his way, becomes lonely, and is torn piecemeal by some minotaur of conscience. Supposing one like that comes to grief, this happens so far from the comprehension of men that they neither feel it nor sympathize. And he cannot go back any longer. Nor can he go back to the pity of men.'' -my buddy, Fred
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'people who think that michael moore hates america are just bandwagon douchebags. they're the same people that vote for bush based on morals, and the same people who still think iraq has wmds.'
heaven forbid someone vote based on their morals. you and melvs are so bloody condecending and superior. seriously, ive been reading this anti right stuff on here for the past year and a half, but this one for some reason pushed the button. im completely sick of statements like that. i dont know if this just cought me in a bad mood or what, but... you two just dont get it.
youre very open minded and enlightened. there is no moral standard in your minds. you can believe and do what you want, unless, heaven forbid, they dissagree with your baseless definition of what is good. i would levy the same challenge that has been put forth to many others on this site, that being, what is morality? why is it so increadibly wrong to live according to a preset moral code? what makes you (asac+melvs) so superior, that you can state that these simpletons are indeed just that, because they have an aspect in their lives that you dont value? its so increadibly predictable. you know what? i hope all you upper class white new englanders continue with this attitude later in life, and i hope that all like you do as well, as it will only expose your rediculous unfounded superiourity complex on a larger scale, and eventually, youre both going to figure out that the holier than thou (pun intended) mentality will do you absolutley no good. i hope you build yourselves up to such a degree that when the time arises that you are brought down (and this time will arise, as it is inevitable) you will be brought down hard, and far. the pride that exudes from posts such as yours (asac) makes me want to hit you on the skull with my middle knuckle and ask you what, exactly youre thinking about.
how did either of you come to this unfounded pride? is it purely a product of the hypothetical? purely based on theory of how your utopia should be? or is it founded in some kind of real experience? i cant help but be somewhat curious about mentalities such as yours.
i know there may be other people more guilty and surely there are others that are more thoughtless, but i just so happened across you two, and in an irritated mood at that.
please, prove me wrong in the future, but every time anyone uses thoughtless rhetoric (especially rhetoric that is severly overused, and not especially accurate) it just wears away at my capability to remain sane.
and yes, i know this type of thing comes from both sides, and i hope eveyone of all mentalities can refrain from this kind of insipid drivel, myself included.
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The solemn warmth you feel inside
heaven forbid someone vote based on their morals. you and melvs are so bloody condecending and superior. seriously, ive been reading this anti right stuff on here for the past year and a half, but this one for some reason pushed the button. im completely sick of statements like that. i dont know if this just cought me in a bad mood or what, but... you two just dont get it.
youre very open minded and enlightened. there is no moral standard in your minds. you can believe and do what you want, unless, heaven forbid, they dissagree with your baseless definition of what is good. i would levy the same challenge that has been put forth to many others on this site, that being, what is morality? why is it so increadibly wrong to live according to a preset moral code? what makes you (asac+melvs) so superior, that you can state that these simpletons are indeed just that, because they have an aspect in their lives that you dont value? its so increadibly predictable. you know what? i hope all you upper class white new englanders continue with this attitude later in life, and i hope that all like you do as well, as it will only expose your rediculous unfounded superiourity complex on a larger scale, and eventually, youre both going to figure out that the holier than thou (pun intended) mentality will do you absolutley no good. i hope you build yourselves up to such a degree that when the time arises that you are brought down (and this time will arise, as it is inevitable) you will be brought down hard, and far. the pride that exudes from posts such as yours (asac) makes me want to hit you on the skull with my middle knuckle and ask you what, exactly youre thinking about.
how did either of you come to this unfounded pride? is it purely a product of the hypothetical? purely based on theory of how your utopia should be? or is it founded in some kind of real experience? i cant help but be somewhat curious about mentalities such as yours.
i know there may be other people more guilty and surely there are others that are more thoughtless, but i just so happened across you two, and in an irritated mood at that.
please, prove me wrong in the future, but every time anyone uses thoughtless rhetoric (especially rhetoric that is severly overused, and not especially accurate) it just wears away at my capability to remain sane.
and yes, i know this type of thing comes from both sides, and i hope eveyone of all mentalities can refrain from this kind of insipid drivel, myself included.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
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To: anewmorning
From: asac
On: 2004-11-12 07:21:31
well, first of all, i think i just caught you in a bad mood. second, i didn't like people voting on morals because i don't agree with their morals, i just don't agree with the whole idea of voting for someone based on what they think would be a good deed or bad one. if someone voted for kerry based on morals, i wouldn't be terribly upset because somone voted for kerry, but i would be concerned as to why that person thinks a person who knows the difference from right and wrong, should be president. thats considering that most people already know the difference from right or wrong, but they certainly shouldn't be president.
if anyone should be complaining and sending page long messages to other users, it should be me. i love michael moore. he shares pretty much the same views as me. but people on this sight like to take his weight issue and other factors irrelivant to politics into the argument. at least when i argue against bush, i try to stay open minded and criticize his political blunders, and not physical apperance.
sorry if my statement offended you, and sorry if you've mistaken melvs' and i's left wing comments for superiority.
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From: asac
On: 2004-11-12 07:21:31
well, first of all, i think i just caught you in a bad mood. second, i didn't like people voting on morals because i don't agree with their morals, i just don't agree with the whole idea of voting for someone based on what they think would be a good deed or bad one. if someone voted for kerry based on morals, i wouldn't be terribly upset because somone voted for kerry, but i would be concerned as to why that person thinks a person who knows the difference from right and wrong, should be president. thats considering that most people already know the difference from right or wrong, but they certainly shouldn't be president.
if anyone should be complaining and sending page long messages to other users, it should be me. i love michael moore. he shares pretty much the same views as me. but people on this sight like to take his weight issue and other factors irrelivant to politics into the argument. at least when i argue against bush, i try to stay open minded and criticize his political blunders, and not physical apperance.
sorry if my statement offended you, and sorry if you've mistaken melvs' and i's left wing comments for superiority.
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ErikT
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Dont fuckin hate on Michael Moore. Dont be blinded by the opposing media, run by conservatives. You don't live in a really great world dudes, the government is stealing from you, those are the facts, they take your money in taxes and waste it paying back the bribes they legally get from big corporations (lobbying). The reason Bush wants more money for Iraq is because he wasted SOOO goddamn much money paying off HB. Our government thought that it was reasonable to pay $2,000.00 per $9.00 telephone, and we bought several THOUSANDS of them, same with $18.00 radios we paid $10,000 each! When we started doing such horrible things, a few MORALLY concerned politicians spoke up and went against supporting the bill that wasted America's money.
If you don't understand how strong the media is you need to go get a reality check, the media completely makes up the minds for Americans. Go anywhere else in the world and you will find that 99% of the rest of the educated world is strongly against Bush and his policies. Why is it that 51% of American voters are for him?
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If you don't understand how strong the media is you need to go get a reality check, the media completely makes up the minds for Americans. Go anywhere else in the world and you will find that 99% of the rest of the educated world is strongly against Bush and his policies. Why is it that 51% of American voters are for him?
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jonnyutah81
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Michael Moore can die of ghonnarhea and rot in hell. LACES OUT!
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well, first of all, i think i just caught you in a bad mood. second, i didn't like people voting on morals because i don't agree with their morals
And they don't agree with yours. Congratulations hypocrit, you just made a morality vote. Everyone votes based on their 'morals.'
i just don't agree with the whole idea of voting for someone based on what they think would be a good deed or bad one.
So what do you vote on then? You vote on what you believe is good, and you vote against what you believe is bad.
Example: Michael Moore=Iraq bad Moore votes Kerry
Graves= Saddam Hussein eveil and needed to be removed. Graves votes Bush
if someone voted for kerry based on morals, i wouldn't be terribly upset because somone voted for kerry,
You're debunking yourself.
but i would be concerned as to why that person thinks a person who knows the difference from right and wrong, should be president.
Everyone votes on what they 'believe' is right. Again...what else would you vote on?
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hats considering that most people already know the difference from right or wrong, but they certainly shouldn't be president.
Who should be president? Someone that doesnt have any beliefs at all? Someone who doesn't stand behind what they 'believe' is right? Thank god you aren't running are country. Your message makes no sense.
VOTING IS BASED ON BELIEFS AND MORAL VALUES! It does not matter what party you vote for!! You vote on YOUR MORALS, it doesnt matter if your Dem or Repub!!
if anyone should be complaining and sending page long messages to other users, it should be me. i love michael moore.
He exploits soldier's and profits off their deaths. He is a pig.
Check out this Link
Whether you agree with the war or not, no one should be exploiting the soldiers like Moore does.
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well, first of all, i think i just caught you in a bad mood. second, i didn't like people voting on morals because i don't agree with their morals
And they don't agree with yours. Congratulations hypocrit, you just made a morality vote. Everyone votes based on their 'morals.'
i just don't agree with the whole idea of voting for someone based on what they think would be a good deed or bad one.
So what do you vote on then? You vote on what you believe is good, and you vote against what you believe is bad.
Example: Michael Moore=Iraq bad Moore votes Kerry
Graves= Saddam Hussein eveil and needed to be removed. Graves votes Bush
if someone voted for kerry based on morals, i wouldn't be terribly upset because somone voted for kerry,
You're debunking yourself.
but i would be concerned as to why that person thinks a person who knows the difference from right and wrong, should be president.
Everyone votes on what they 'believe' is right. Again...what else would you vote on?
t
hats considering that most people already know the difference from right or wrong, but they certainly shouldn't be president.
Who should be president? Someone that doesnt have any beliefs at all? Someone who doesn't stand behind what they 'believe' is right? Thank god you aren't running are country. Your message makes no sense.
VOTING IS BASED ON BELIEFS AND MORAL VALUES! It does not matter what party you vote for!! You vote on YOUR MORALS, it doesnt matter if your Dem or Repub!!
if anyone should be complaining and sending page long messages to other users, it should be me. i love michael moore.
He exploits soldier's and profits off their deaths. He is a pig.
Check out this Link
Whether you agree with the war or not, no one should be exploiting the soldiers like Moore does.
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'Except For Ending Slavery, Facism, Nazism, and Communism War Has Never Solved Anything'
You are retarded. I will now set your sorry, un-educated ass straight....
Slavery: I hope you're not talking about the American Civil War, cuz then I would have no respect for your historical knowledge. The Civil War was not fought over slavery, it wasn't even a thought in the people's minds. The ONLY reason Lincoln said he would free the slaves was because he didn't think he could win the war without aid from France or England, but neither would fight because they were against slavery and the North hadn't made any real effort to end it. I doubt anyone at the time had any realization of the great effect that the side-effect of ending slavery would have on the rest of history.
Facism: Are you THAT retarded? Facism is a dictatorship. It exists in numerous countries, one being Iraq, but there are soooo many more. Don't even try to say it ended it.
Nazism: Shut the fuck up. Nazism is simply Facism with a unique name and unique leader.
Communism: Cuba is still communist. The world's most powerful economic power is communist. North Korea. And a few other Asian countries are communist. North Korea has made fucking nuclear weapons since Bush has been in office, he didnt use force to go in there though, but he did in Iraq where no nuclear devices of any sort were found.
You will all soon see how history repeats itself. After Bush's final term, which will probably be some of the weakest years for the US, the people will finally see how retarded he was. Remember, more of the US population was blinded by Nixon's media manipulators than are blinded by Bush's shit, and think of all the shit that Nixon did.
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You are retarded. I will now set your sorry, un-educated ass straight....
Slavery: I hope you're not talking about the American Civil War, cuz then I would have no respect for your historical knowledge. The Civil War was not fought over slavery, it wasn't even a thought in the people's minds. The ONLY reason Lincoln said he would free the slaves was because he didn't think he could win the war without aid from France or England, but neither would fight because they were against slavery and the North hadn't made any real effort to end it. I doubt anyone at the time had any realization of the great effect that the side-effect of ending slavery would have on the rest of history.
Facism: Are you THAT retarded? Facism is a dictatorship. It exists in numerous countries, one being Iraq, but there are soooo many more. Don't even try to say it ended it.
Nazism: Shut the fuck up. Nazism is simply Facism with a unique name and unique leader.
Communism: Cuba is still communist. The world's most powerful economic power is communist. North Korea. And a few other Asian countries are communist. North Korea has made fucking nuclear weapons since Bush has been in office, he didnt use force to go in there though, but he did in Iraq where no nuclear devices of any sort were found.
You will all soon see how history repeats itself. After Bush's final term, which will probably be some of the weakest years for the US, the people will finally see how retarded he was. Remember, more of the US population was blinded by Nixon's media manipulators than are blinded by Bush's shit, and think of all the shit that Nixon did.
'When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know true peace' - Hendrix
Peace & Love
Slavery: I hope you're not talking about the American Civil War, cuz then I would have no respect for your historical knowledge. The Civil War was not fought over slavery, it wasn't even a thought in the people's minds. The ONLY reason Lincoln said he would free the slaves was because he didn't think he could win the war without aid from France or England, but neither would fight because they were against slavery and the North hadn't made any real effort to end it. I doubt anyone at the time had any realization of the great effect that the side-effect of ending slavery would have on the rest of history.
First off the quote is from a website. Want to challenge me on history and politics? Go ahead. I will kick your head right up your ass and back out your throat.
Did I say it was fought over slavery? Nope. Learn to read. Did the civil war bring an end to the vast majority of slavery within the United States? Yes.
Facism: Are you THAT retarded? Facism is a dictatorship. It exists in numerous countries, one being Iraq, but there are soooo many more. Don't even try to say it ended it.
Yes it is a dictatorship. Did the quote say it wasn't? Nope. War has ended many fascists regimes. That you cannot deny. So you are wrong again.
Nazism: Shut the fuck up. Nazism is simply Facism with a unique name and unique leader.
Yes it is fascism, but its own breed of fascism. War brought down the largest concentration of Nazism known to man. So you are wrong again.
Communism: Cuba is still communist. The world's most powerful economic power is communist. North Korea. And a few other Asian countries are communist. North Korea has made fucking nuclear weapons since Bush has been in office, he didnt use force to go in there though, but he did in Iraq where no nuclear devices of any sort were found.
Yes Cuba is communist. Good for you. You must be smart. North Korea is not the world's economic powerhouse you moron. China is the world's fastest growing economy but no nation tops the United States in economic power to this day. North Korea is too small of a nation to be an economic powerhouse and you add that with the sanctions we have on them and there is no way they will ever rise up economically. North Korea does not have the resources to produce significant economic output in comparison to nations such as the US and China.
I never said war ended any of these things completely. It has, however, solved these problems in many circumstances. If you are denying that then you are an idiot.
And your earlier comment about the media was far off. Independent studies have found that within the media of the United States the Dem to Repub ratio is about 8 to 1. Foreign medias are government owned propaganda. Quite frankly I wouldn't trust most of them.
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First off the quote is from a website. Want to challenge me on history and politics? Go ahead. I will kick your head right up your ass and back out your throat.
Did I say it was fought over slavery? Nope. Learn to read. Did the civil war bring an end to the vast majority of slavery within the United States? Yes.
Facism: Are you THAT retarded? Facism is a dictatorship. It exists in numerous countries, one being Iraq, but there are soooo many more. Don't even try to say it ended it.
Yes it is a dictatorship. Did the quote say it wasn't? Nope. War has ended many fascists regimes. That you cannot deny. So you are wrong again.
Nazism: Shut the fuck up. Nazism is simply Facism with a unique name and unique leader.
Yes it is fascism, but its own breed of fascism. War brought down the largest concentration of Nazism known to man. So you are wrong again.
Communism: Cuba is still communist. The world's most powerful economic power is communist. North Korea. And a few other Asian countries are communist. North Korea has made fucking nuclear weapons since Bush has been in office, he didnt use force to go in there though, but he did in Iraq where no nuclear devices of any sort were found.
Yes Cuba is communist. Good for you. You must be smart. North Korea is not the world's economic powerhouse you moron. China is the world's fastest growing economy but no nation tops the United States in economic power to this day. North Korea is too small of a nation to be an economic powerhouse and you add that with the sanctions we have on them and there is no way they will ever rise up economically. North Korea does not have the resources to produce significant economic output in comparison to nations such as the US and China.
I never said war ended any of these things completely. It has, however, solved these problems in many circumstances. If you are denying that then you are an idiot.
And your earlier comment about the media was far off. Independent studies have found that within the media of the United States the Dem to Repub ratio is about 8 to 1. Foreign medias are government owned propaganda. Quite frankly I wouldn't trust most of them.
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You just run around in circles too much man. Sure war has brought end to lots of bad things, but it has brought MUCH more end to good things such as human lives, ancient masterpieces, modern skyscrapers, ancient texts, ancient inventions. For 1000 years the western world didnt know 1/1000th of what the Romans knew before them, all because the Barbarians went to war.
Many democracies have fallen because of war, even the United States has gone to war against democracies and installed facist dictatorships as the permanent government system.
I think you should just retract that quote from your signature because War has destroyed thousands of times more than it has helped the world. And fuck no i didnt get any of that from a website you disrespectful asshole.
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Many democracies have fallen because of war, even the United States has gone to war against democracies and installed facist dictatorships as the permanent government system.
I think you should just retract that quote from your signature because War has destroyed thousands of times more than it has helped the world. And fuck no i didnt get any of that from a website you disrespectful asshole.
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michael moore should be captured and beaten with a club for being a complete whiny little bitch! sure his movies point out all the bad shit but he never seems to offer any solutions to the problems! anyone notice that he published an article reviewing bush's speech at the republican convention 10 min before it was even finished?
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Asac did I alter your text? Nope. I responded to every bit you wrote. So nice try though. Your entire post stated, to sum it up, that it is stupid to vote on what you 'believe is right.' Go back and read it for yourself.
Erik I am not retracting anything at your feeble and pathetic request. Your response to my post was weak at best.
If we did not have the Civil War the United States would likely be two nations today that would likely have fought numerous battles over the years that followed. Slavery would likely be rampant in the South and African-Americans would be unjustly traded as if they were not human beings. The victory of the North prevented this. War prevented this from occuring. The South wanted to seceed, the North wouldn't allow it and a war ensued.
If we did not enter the fray of battle in WWII Nazi Germany would have had control of most of Western Europe while Japan would have taken control of much of the eastern seaboard of Asia, China included. Millions upon millions of Jews would have continued to be euthanized, and millions of more innocent lives would have slayed at the evil regime of Hitler.
If we did not challenge the British in the revolutionary war we would have been at the grasp of what once was an oppressive monarchy for years to follow. War freed the colonies and allowed them to fulfill their vision of creating an independent nation.
War freed the Bosnians from the murderous Slobodan Milosevic.
War helped bring the ends to the likes of Mussolini.
War is not a beautiful thing. War is, as we all know, deadly. But war in many situations has saved more lives than it has cost. Diplomacy, unfortunately, does not always work.
Just imagine if we made a pre-emptive strike on Hitler's Germany back in the 30's. Imagine the lives that would have been saved. Imagine all of the jews that would have never of had to have been tortured or forced to go to the 'showers.' Would you object to a pre-emptive strike against Nazi Germany in the 30's knowing what you know today?
We know that Saddam had used WMD in the past (gassed Kurds killing thousands upon thousands) We know Saddam invaded Kuwait for the sole-purpose of over-throwing their government to claim their lands as his own. We know that tens if not hundreds of mass graves containing thousands upon thousands of mutilated and tortured bodies have been uncovered in Irag. War is unfortunate, war is costly, but we have freed over 50 million people from tortuous, terror supporting dictatorships since October of 2001. Yes there are insurgents, but they only make up a small portion of the population. The majority of our military voted for Bush this past election, dont you think they did that for a just reason? I would much rather avoid war at all costs, unfortunately, in a world full of crazed people, where some believe the Kuran says their purpose is to bring death to America diplomacy is not an answer, because they refuse it.
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Erik I am not retracting anything at your feeble and pathetic request. Your response to my post was weak at best.
If we did not have the Civil War the United States would likely be two nations today that would likely have fought numerous battles over the years that followed. Slavery would likely be rampant in the South and African-Americans would be unjustly traded as if they were not human beings. The victory of the North prevented this. War prevented this from occuring. The South wanted to seceed, the North wouldn't allow it and a war ensued.
If we did not enter the fray of battle in WWII Nazi Germany would have had control of most of Western Europe while Japan would have taken control of much of the eastern seaboard of Asia, China included. Millions upon millions of Jews would have continued to be euthanized, and millions of more innocent lives would have slayed at the evil regime of Hitler.
If we did not challenge the British in the revolutionary war we would have been at the grasp of what once was an oppressive monarchy for years to follow. War freed the colonies and allowed them to fulfill their vision of creating an independent nation.
War freed the Bosnians from the murderous Slobodan Milosevic.
War helped bring the ends to the likes of Mussolini.
War is not a beautiful thing. War is, as we all know, deadly. But war in many situations has saved more lives than it has cost. Diplomacy, unfortunately, does not always work.
Just imagine if we made a pre-emptive strike on Hitler's Germany back in the 30's. Imagine the lives that would have been saved. Imagine all of the jews that would have never of had to have been tortured or forced to go to the 'showers.' Would you object to a pre-emptive strike against Nazi Germany in the 30's knowing what you know today?
We know that Saddam had used WMD in the past (gassed Kurds killing thousands upon thousands) We know Saddam invaded Kuwait for the sole-purpose of over-throwing their government to claim their lands as his own. We know that tens if not hundreds of mass graves containing thousands upon thousands of mutilated and tortured bodies have been uncovered in Irag. War is unfortunate, war is costly, but we have freed over 50 million people from tortuous, terror supporting dictatorships since October of 2001. Yes there are insurgents, but they only make up a small portion of the population. The majority of our military voted for Bush this past election, dont you think they did that for a just reason? I would much rather avoid war at all costs, unfortunately, in a world full of crazed people, where some believe the Kuran says their purpose is to bring death to America diplomacy is not an answer, because they refuse it.
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my problem with the voting for morals issue is that it makes people ignore the facts and policies of candidates. no one should get votes just because they've portrayed an image of a strong christian. there are way too many other factors to consider.
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Graves, do you like heroin? Thanks to Bush's tactics and policies in Afghanistan, the opium production, which had ceased since 1999 as ordered by the Taliban (a GOOD thing they did), has come to a record high as 80% of the world's heroin is produced in Afghanistan and 75% of the world's opium.
Now that we've invaded these countries, many of the people who lost everything have dedicated, and some sacrificed, their lives to fight the USA.
Thanks Bush for your genious war against terror and drugs!
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Now that we've invaded these countries, many of the people who lost everything have dedicated, and some sacrificed, their lives to fight the USA.
Thanks Bush for your genious war against terror and drugs!
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the guy makes some good fucking points and i hate war but he is sooo one sided that it makes me almost not want to go see the movie
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Another weak response from Erik. All you can reply to my post is a measley mention of opium?
I am very anti-drugs but I would rather have opium being produced then have a Gov't that harbors bin Laden. Remember that he was the one responsible for killing 3000 people (Americans and internationals) by slamming planes into the WTC. War on terror=1st. War on Drugs=2nd. And just so you know they never stopped producing opium in Afghanistan. Just because the Gov't outlawed it doesnt mean it didnt occur dumbass.
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I am very anti-drugs but I would rather have opium being produced then have a Gov't that harbors bin Laden. Remember that he was the one responsible for killing 3000 people (Americans and internationals) by slamming planes into the WTC. War on terror=1st. War on Drugs=2nd. And just so you know they never stopped producing opium in Afghanistan. Just because the Gov't outlawed it doesnt mean it didnt occur dumbass.
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i dont see why you guys hate on michael moore, like whats the point, he is just giving us information that we didnt know, its not like he is ATTACKING america or anything, just showing us that BUSH IS A DOUSHE BAG!!
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Yes Michael Moore's move informs people. It informs people so much that the Iranian government played it in government owned theatres to promote their anti-american agenda. This is the same government that routinely shouts 'Death to America' in unison in their parliament. Yes, Michael Moore is very informative in spurring anti-americanism in the people that want to cut our heads off.
Fortunately the majority of civilians in Iran are increasingly showing disdain towards their government and when asked about the movie they gave it poor reviews, and stated that it was just another case of anti-american propaganda being pushed by their gov't. These are also some of the same people that are part of a growing resistance against the murderous Tehran.
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Fortunately the majority of civilians in Iran are increasingly showing disdain towards their government and when asked about the movie they gave it poor reviews, and stated that it was just another case of anti-american propaganda being pushed by their gov't. These are also some of the same people that are part of a growing resistance against the murderous Tehran.
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HAHA Asac just to let you know there is nothing wrong with voting based on your morals if you feel a candidate represents them well. Secondly Im not sayin Moore doesnt like America hes just taking advantage of it. He knows ppl are ignorant and will listen to a teribly one sided documentary such as his and take it as complete thruth. He makes millions off the stupidity in this country and its wrong.
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'I am very anti-drugs but I would rather have opium being produced then have a Gov't that harbors bin Laden. Remember that he was the one responsible for killing 3000 people (Americans and internationals) by slamming planes into the WTC. War on terror=1st. War on Drugs=2nd. And just so you know they never stopped producing opium in Afghanistan. Just because the Gov't outlawed it doesnt mean it didnt occur dumbass.'
Who's the dumbass? OK, the Taliban as i guess you are unaware of, was a pretty ruthless government when it came to punishing people. they killed heroin producers after they outlawed it and jailed/stoned opium growers. So you can shove your non-educated mouth up your own ass.
Second, to your comment about the Taliban 'harboring' bin Laden...Do you think that under any reasonable circumstances the Afghan people would want to help the US? No. You know why? Let me take you on a little history trip, we FUCKED Afghanistan in the past. It was called the Cold War. We promised Afghanistan that we would give them support if they took on the Soviets full force when they invaded (this was the point where George Bush trained bin Laden and financially supported him). We let the Soviets crush Afghan cities anyway. Why would they help us after that?
Also, it is reasonable to hold George Bush responisble for the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi women and children in 1991 (just 6 weeks of war), but if the leaders of Iraq demanded that the US surrender him to them would we? Hell no. So shut the fuck up you arrogant piece of shit. Just because America has one of the strongest armies doesnt mean we can boss everyone around. It doesnt work that way anymore buddy, we have become 'civilized.' Hope that's not toooooo big of a word for you to handle, i know it might be tough, but you can make it Graves.
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Who's the dumbass? OK, the Taliban as i guess you are unaware of, was a pretty ruthless government when it came to punishing people. they killed heroin producers after they outlawed it and jailed/stoned opium growers. So you can shove your non-educated mouth up your own ass.
Second, to your comment about the Taliban 'harboring' bin Laden...Do you think that under any reasonable circumstances the Afghan people would want to help the US? No. You know why? Let me take you on a little history trip, we FUCKED Afghanistan in the past. It was called the Cold War. We promised Afghanistan that we would give them support if they took on the Soviets full force when they invaded (this was the point where George Bush trained bin Laden and financially supported him). We let the Soviets crush Afghan cities anyway. Why would they help us after that?
Also, it is reasonable to hold George Bush responisble for the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi women and children in 1991 (just 6 weeks of war), but if the leaders of Iraq demanded that the US surrender him to them would we? Hell no. So shut the fuck up you arrogant piece of shit. Just because America has one of the strongest armies doesnt mean we can boss everyone around. It doesnt work that way anymore buddy, we have become 'civilized.' Hope that's not toooooo big of a word for you to handle, i know it might be tough, but you can make it Graves.
'When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know true peace' - Hendrix
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