Mega Beer Thread

Maximumsushi

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No, it is not. I am going to go into why I don't believe one country necessarily makes the "best" beer but some are certainly stronger than others.

I'd like to interject here and proclaim myself as very knowledgeable in beer. Here's why:

-Have tried over 350 types of beer

-Have brewed my own beer (and distilled spirits as well)

-Have covered the beer industry extensively with my last employer, a money management (think stock market) firm. I was the in house beverage and brew expert.

-Have worked with a beer company in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

-I absolutely love beer

Here's how beer works. There are several ways to classify beer. You can classify beer by its Region, you can classify beer by its type and you can classify beer by the size of the brewer it comes from.

In respects to region, its common to classify beer by the country which originally brewed that beer. For example, Budweiser is an American Beer because it was originally brewed in the United States. Within a country, it is also common to classify by region. There are beers from different areas in Germany which can vary greatly. Beers from the Bavaria area are typically quite different from those in the Holstein area. Regions typically have distinct styles and tastes but like anything, you can only generalize so far. Although the United States typically has relatively weak, tasteless beer brewed with cheap ingredients, they also have some wonderful brews. There are even some beers brewed in other countries and exported exclusively to the USA. St. Pauli Girl is a German beer made by the Beck's brewery and only sold in the US, its a great beer similar to Beck's in taste and I've found it all along the eastern seaboard.

Types of beer are not as complex as they might first appear. Types of beer are classified by the brewing process and what ingredients go into the beer. There are two primary types of beer: those which are fermented using top fermenting yeast and those which are fermented using bottom fermenting yeast. Ales are top fermented, Lagers are bottom fermented. Ales were discovered first and much later, bottom fermenting yeast was discovered and used in the now Czech Republic for the first time and a new type of beer was born. Everything you hear about other types of beer (Stout, Pilsiner, etc) are just variations on either an Ale or Lager.

Lagers. Due to the bottom fermentation process in brewing a lager, the bubbles in Lagers are in the bottom and sides of this type of beer causing it to look like its constantly bubbling from the bottom. The beers where the carbonation is coming from the bottom of the beer are Lagers. A typical lager is fairly crisp and golden yellow in colour but like many things in beer, this can vary from beer to beer. Lagers generally keep longer than Ales and in my opinion, translate better when they are bottled or canned. Common Lagers:

-Lager

-Red Lager

-Brown Lager

-Pilsiner

-Dortmunder

-Oktoberfest

-Bock

-Pale

-Some India Pale Ales are actually Lagers (I don't understand that either)

Ales are those smooth beers with the frothy head that tends to stick around a long time. Ales don't really bubble like a Lager. This is due to the fermentation process. I find these are great when you can get them in draught. It's hard beat a pint of John Smith's English Ale. Common Ales:

-Ale

-Stout

-Bitter

-Most India Pale Ales

-Belgian fruit beers like Framboise or Kriek

-Wheat Beer

-Red Ale (Amber Ale)

-Brown Ale

-Blonde Ale

-Porter

There are two size brewers. Macro and micro. I am not sure if these terms are prevalent outside of North America. Macro are widely distributed while micro are brewed on a smaller scale. Macro breweries would consist of InBev, SABMiller, etc. Micro can be as small as an Bar that makes all its own beer or something you may only be able to get in your state/province/region. Micro brews generally are not shipped far. Sometimes micro brews are also referred to as Kraft brewers.

Some countries have great ales. Some countries have great macrobrews. Some countries have great lagers. There is no real "best" beer country but its obvious that some countries make much better beers overall than others. The fact is, the USA has probably the worst macrobreweries in the world. They're more or less tasteless and weak. However, they have some great micro-brews. Try Fat-tire, magic-hat and anchor steam if you can. These are great American beers.

I don't think many would argue in saying that England produces the best Ales and Bitters. Germany makes the best dortmunder and some great pilsiners. Czech Republic makes great pilsiners. Ireland makes the best stouts. Japan makes some great dry, hoppy lagers similar to a pilsiner. Belgium makes the best crazy fruity beer if you're into that shit. There's a ton of places to look depending on what you want in a beer. Denmark makes the best beer for getting you fucking drunk.

Well, if you have any questions on beer, feel free to ask me.

My favourite beers are Beck's, Guiness, John Smith's, Boddington's, Lowenbrau and Sleeman's Cream.

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I don't understand the difference between how top fermented and bottom fermented beers are made. What's different, the process, the ingrediants, or just legth of time.

Very education thread. Thanks.
 
My favorite beers are as follows (in no particular order...)

Rock Art Chocolate Oatmeal Stout

Trout River Rainbow Red

Rock Art Stumpjumper

Magic Hat Fat Angel

Long Trail Hibernator

All Vermont Micro Brews...yum!
 
in the czech republic and slovakia every single town you visit, no matter how small, is guaranteed to have a brewery,its like starbucks here, one on every corner. its just a fact of life. and im only exagerating slightly. very slightly. oh and when you are there, try kofola. its not alchoholic, but, its probably the best soda ever.
 
Well, Slovakia used to be the same country as the Czech Republic so I imagine that they have a lot of the Czech beers. If they don't, you'll get the same style. That's a very good thing, especially if you like dry, hoppy beers. They invented the Pilsiner, the original lager. In fact, you can still buy this beer, the recipe hasn't changed much and its called Pilsiner Urquel which, funny enough, translates to Original Pilsiner. You can probably get that at home, but try to get it on draught over there, I'm sure you'll find it. Staropramen is my favourite Czech beer, try that too. Czechvar is a great Czech beer, you might find it called "Budweiser" there as it is the first beer to actually use that name (For a long time, hundreds of years, the name budweiser was basically another term for Pilsiner). I've had Radegast too but I didn't like it too much.

Hopefully that helps, tell me what you think when you get back!
 
You'll find this in just about every beer loving European country. Germany, Belgium, Czech, Austria. Its great! A lot of the town's drink their local beers and are quite loyal. You'll usually be able to find a couple of the national staples in town too. It's great.
 
Stella is just okay. But Belgium makes some great beer... my favourite is a Belgian Trappiste beer, Chimay Red Cap, with their Blue Cap also making my top 5. I also like Kronen and Beck's as far as European imports go. Maybe it's just because I live in Richmond, but I've become a fan of certain Asian beers; Kirin, Sapporo, Tiger... all good stuff. As far as local stuff goes, the Beacon IPA by Lighthouse Brewery is among my favourites, I've never been particularly impressed by Granville Island.

I'm also an expert on cheap shitty beer. It has its own distinct set of standards. Namely, the more it tastes like trying to swallow a charred brick, the better (at being shitty) it is. Pacific Western TNT Strong takes it as far as that goes, I think. FAXE strong and Carling Black Label Supreme are also contenders. Just in case you felt like being really, really stupid at this year's summer bbq/drunk fest...
 
I'm not a huge fan of Stella, I find it sort of bland but a lot of people love it. It's weird that I find this as Belgium has the knack for doing really interesting things with their beer, even if I don't like it. They have some cherry beers (bellevue) and raspberry beers (anything with Framboise in the name). You can actually take brewing in university at Belgian schools to become a master-brewer. They drink beer a lot, everyone in Belgium seems to be in love with beer!
 
i love beer. almost every beer i've tried. not a heinekin fan. belgian beers seem to be my first choice lately. went to a belgium pub in chicago called hopleaf earlier in the week. such great beers
 
I'm spending 4 months in Asia this summer. I'll be drinking a lot of Kirin and Sapporo. The Japanese love dry beer and so do I. My friend tells me they have some pretty amazing microbrew/hotel/spa type things in the mountains. Best beer he's had he says. Have you ever had Asahi? Its one of the big Japanese beers and I like it more than Sapporo. Tiger's a great lager, I hear you can get it for $.40 a bottle in Thailand... there will be a lot of Tiger consumed this summer while I'm there.

As for FAXE strong (the one in the black can) I can agree that this will fuck your shit up. We drank this a lot in first year of university. It was $2 for a tall boy, which worked out to the alcohol equivalent to about 3 normal bottles of beer. Cheap, effective, terrible. All of the strong beers are very sweet. The strongest I've had was around 12 or 14% I think. I'm not sure, I'm going by taste. My bud's grandfather makes beer and we were drinking this stuff last weekend at a party. They came in unlabled 700 ML bottles. That shit was dangerous!
 
Well, its a combination of both actually. They use a different type of yeast, which is used in fermentation because it accelerates the process like crazy. As the name suggests, top-fermenting yeast sits on the top and makes the beer ferment from the top while bottom-fermenting yeast sinks to the bottom and ferments there. This is why you get a foamy head that sticks around with an ale but have a bubbly lager. Bottom fermenting yeast was discovered after top-fermenting and offers not only a different taste but a number of advantages. Bottom-fermenting happens quicker than top fermenting, but it requires a cool place, unlike top-fermenting yeast. Lagers also typically keep longer than Ales which meant that beers could be easier shipped around.
 
Yes, I've had Asahi, it's quite good. I think my favourite is Kirin, but there's a lot of good imported stuff from Japan that comes in here because of the huge Asian population; they even make Whiskeys. I've had a lot of foreign-labelled stuff (I don't speak any such languages) and much of it has been quality (though often very similar)... I just never remember the names when I ask. You should keep a beer journal while you're over there, or something.
 
yeah man, my dad is buddies with the owner. its really popular in the mid-atlantic area. its not my favorite, but pretty solid.
 
i'm an ale man myself. as for specific beers, fat tire is great. sunshie wheat is another fav. leinies just came out with a summer wheat that tastes good, if you like wheat beers. my beer tastes vary, however, on the type of drinking i am doing. obviously heavy drinking is not conducive to taste enjoyment, so a bud deisel or miller light is my choice. as far as with dinner, beers are like wines in the aspect that you can pair different types of beers with different types of food to enrich the dining experience. don't believe me? go to the bar/pub in your town with the best food, order something off the menu, and ask the cook or head bartender what they recommend to go with in teh way of beer.
 
I wish i wasa mod so i could sticky my threads. but to each thier own. Im nota drinking man myself, but im sure that this thread is better than "I GOT FUCKIN WASTED LAST NIGHT AND BONED A BLACK CHICK!!" kudos for making alcohol an intelligent conversation
 
I like the taste of Alexander Keith's. I'm not an expert at all but i actually enjoy the taste of beer now, so I try to drink different stuff than Molson or Granville Island, which are not very good.
 
How much does a beer cost when you're out at a bar or when you buy it at the store? Its about $1.90 here for a domestic, $2 - $3 for an import, depending on the size and type. At the bars, its $4 for a pint at one of my favourite bars, they have 60 beer on tap! We go to another place that has a deal a couple times a week which is 3 Alexander Keith's Draught for $5. The place gets packed and the girls are gorgeous. At my school's pub (ex school as of one week ago), you can get pitchers of Keith's for $8.75. I was upset when I was charged the same price for just a pint in downtown Toronto.
 
I worked for Keith's briefly. Well, I guess it was Labatt's which inturn is Ambev/InBev. I live in Halifax, where Keith's is brewed. About 1/2 of the beers sold in Halifax are Keith's, its on tap at every bar in the city, and we have A LOT of bars. As I said, you can get it cheaper than just about any other beer too. We have Keith's Red and Keith's Brown available at a lot of places. The latter is exclusive to Halifax. The brewery puts on all kinds of free concerts and events. Keith's loves us and we love Keith's.
 
i am trying to start running a micro-brewery out of my basement.

i know how to do it and all, i just need the stuff, most of which my friend has
 
the best beer that americans won't know till they come to canadais .. molson canadian and kokanee ..mmm.. beer
 
it sucks to not be legal to drink yet. i have not been able to imerse myself deeply into the varities of beer. im mostly stuck with what ever we can get are hands on to get drunk which is usualy your shity american macrobreewd beer.
 
oh godd yees...beer is about flavour....and temperature....on a really hot day in the summer you want and colder pilsner style with a lighter taste...that way it comes off more refreshing. Like a Blue or a Keith's...and thats another thing, Alaxzander Keith's claims to be a India Pale ale....well it isn't.

where as a darker beer will tend to taste better at a warmer temp. brings out the flavour. but never under any circumstances are you aloud to drink american or light beer warm. that is just wrong...
 
Oh yes Cam!

I love a pilsiner on a hot day. A stout is amazing too. An EXTRA cold Guiness or Murphy's in a mug in the afternoon after spending several hours outside is the best thing imagineable. Mmm.... I can't wait for this summer, drinking Tiger beers in swealtering hot Thai weather on the beach.

Yeah, Keith's isn't a India Pale Ale at all. It's more of a biting golden lager. The unique aftertaste you get is due to the brewing process in which they try to similate the taste caused by the preservatives used in traditional IPA. Preservatives? Yeah, when the British army was stationed in India, they wanted great English ale from home. Due to the long ship ride, the beer would go skunky or flat by the time it arrived in India. They fooled around with a recipe to make the ales last a bit longer and it ended up tasting fairly different. The beer was a success and they continued to brew in this style, a lot of ex-military loved it.

As for Keith's, well, it was the British's primary military base in the new world for quite some time. As part of the serving with the British military, you were promised 1/2 gallon of beer a day, officers got a full gallon (That's about a 12 pack). Best. Army. Ever. The beer in Halifax sucked at that time, I forget the name, but the army even switched to mead because it was so terrible. Alexander Keith showed up, a master brewer from Scotland and started making an IPA style beer because he figured it was a hit with the military, it was. He used bottom fermenting yeast instead of top fermenting yeast making it a lager, but the rest of the process remained more or less faithful to the IPA style. It grew like gangbusters and now is one of the bigger Canadian beers.
 
Did you even read anything in the thread beyond the title?

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- This guy definitely drinks budweiser!
 
My favorite beers (dude who started this thread, tell me if you've had any of these: they are world class):

Dogfish Head 60 & 90 Minute IPAs

Bells Two Hearted Ale

Yard's IPA

Yard's Thomas Jefferson Tavern Ale

Yard's Philadelphia Pale Ale

Yard's Extra Special Ale (bought a keg of this for a party... $105)

Yuengling (just cause I'm from PA)

Victory Hop Devil

Victory Storm King Stout (my buddy bought a keg of this, it was TIGHT)

Smithwhick's

Three Floyds Alpha King

Magic Hat Hi-P-A

Magic Hat Blind Faith

Ayinger Celebrator Dopplebock

La Fin Du Monde

Sierra Nevada Pale Ale

Anybody had any of these? The Two Hearted Ale is my favorite.

And for all your beer snobbery needs:

www.ratebeer.com

Most of the ones I listed are in the 90th percentile... to give you an idea; coors light is somewhere around the 1th percentile.
 
goddamn right hop devil

some other of my hoppy favorites

Rouge I2PA

Sierra Nevada Bigfoot (be careful, can kick your ass before you know it)

also Duvel representing belgium

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