McCain is ineligible to be President of the United States.

IcePointa

IcePointa

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That's right, John McCain was born on August 29, 1936, in the Coco Solo Air Base in Panama. As such he does not met the requirements of being a "natural born citizen" to accept the presidency.

"The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, 'a natural-born citizen.' It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth."

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)

Lacking citizenship by place of birth, and individual whould have to be "naturalized" through legal channels, and is not a "natural born citizen" in the sense the constitution uses it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Someone will definately try to sue the government if they try to pull this over. Either they disqualify him, or ammend the statute so that Arnold can run against him..........LOL.

 
Guys seriously, you think I didn't consider that?

"Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf

straight from the state department

LOL

(epic fail guys, x several)
 
stfu.jpg


i will iron your face.
 
thats retarded, i mean if you are born on vacation or at an army base you should still be able to be president. But McCain definitely shouldn't
 
You're an idiot. His parents were US citizens, which makes him a US citizen, no matter where he is born. To become president, you have to be a US citizen by birth (not BIRTHPLACE dumbass), be at least 35 years of age and lived in the US for 14 years or something.

I'm sorry all you republicans are unhappy with McCain, maybe you should have had turned out and supported your candidate of choice in your primary or caucus.
 
yea, its dumb, but presidential candidates are all about respecting the rule of law, yada yada

and it is hard to run for president when you are in the process of breaking one, haha
 
"which referred citizenship to the place of birth"

try again

of course he is a citizen, but he is not a natural-born citizen
 
Dig up something on Hilary instead, i don't want that bitch to be president. Presidential candidates should have to take an IQ test so we eliminate the threat of a dumbass leading the country.
 
The 14th ammendment clearly sets out 2 paths to citizenship:

born in the U.S.

or naturalized by law

the latter cannot hold the presidency

(Also, I am not a republican.)
 
Maybe I'm crazy, but I think if this was actually true somebody would have noticed by now. I can't imagine them getting this far and saying "Oh shit! I guess we forgot all about that little list of requirements." Oops.
 
Yea, thats not a bad idea.

...Here's the exact wording of the relavent portion of the 14th ammendment, for thos who do not trust my interpretation:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
 
you're right, but somehow no one else has ever noticed or looked into this. go public with it. thats right, it takes a newschooler to figure something as huge as this out.

Honestly, what do you think? that you're the first to notice this? that you alone will ruin his campaign?
 
Well it would be easy to do, considering he served in the military and has been a congressman for 2 decades or so.

And the people who matter would not expose this until he actually got the republican nomination. LOL
 
Dude, the court case you referenced was from 1857. The fourteenth amendment can pretty much be interpreted by congress at its current whim, and even though there is room for interpretation (Natural born citizen to me = he's a citizen at birth, due to his parents), I doubt congress could ever be persuaded to see it your way if they have to actually go and lay down judgment in this ridiculous case.
 
The 08 presidential elections would be over and done by the time McCain's case made it through the legal system. Maybe a 2012 run, lol.

But as it stands now, he was not born in the United States, and is instead a "naturalized" citizen.
 
Honestly I don't think this will actually go anywhere, but it is funny as hell

and I'm not the first to bring it up

google "McCain ineligible"

I think rush limbaugh (sp?) even brought it up

he hates McCain, lol
 
"Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."

another fail
 
Sounds like it's enough that you could definitely make a court case out of it... but I'm about 90% sure you'd lose.
 
oddly enough you mentioned both Dred Scott and the 14th amendment. oddly enough Dred scott doesn't fucking matter becasue when the 14th amdendment was ratified like 12 years later, it was immediatly obsolete, your agruent is just as good as the saying we're in prohibation still even though that was reapealed.

I think what you are referring to in the 14th amendment is this

Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

I really don't feel like thinking and writing anymore but think about it, John McCain has been a miliatary officer, something that he would not have been able to do if he didn't meet that piece of crap i cut and pasted above.

 
Here is the best argument for McCain's behalf I could come up with.

The Naturalization Act of 1790 said:

"the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens"

However, it was repealed only 5 years later and replaced by the naturalization act of 1795, which says only on the subject:

"And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within the United States, and being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of such naturalization, and the children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States."

Putting people born overseas by citizens, in the same category as children that were born overseas by non-citizens, who were then naturalized. Neither would be Natural-born citizens, as their citizenship is defended through legal naturalization.

lol, it's an interesting argument on both sides
 
that has nothing to do with it

The point is that the president must be a natural born citizen (this does not apply to senators or representatives, or military officers). The debate is over whether John McCain is technically a natural born citizen. Signs point to no.
 
Could McCain be sworn in while fighting a court case to have legistlation passed to close the loophole that seems to exclude him? Probably, but it would be hilarious if he couldn't.

Nightmare scenario:

He can't so GWB remains president until "emergency elections" can be held?

lol, wtf
 
No, we just share the simple common belief that you're a dumbass, or at least one who outwardly expresses themselves as such.
 
that belief seems to have been largely developed during the threads about race and gene differences

(you were wrong by the way)

feel free to debate in the relavent thread, but I'm majoring in molecular and cellular biology with quite a few classes focusing on genetics

I would cut your losses and admit you were wrong
 
your dumb, for one thing, if your parents are u.s. citizens, no matter where you're born you are automatically an american, and for another, its u.s. territory making him a u.s. citizen in two ways....you're a complete idiot
 
^^ you both like to mouth off in threads before you are sure what your talking about. thats what I think you have in common
 
These McCain supporters are morons...

who would have guessed? lol

"and for another, its u.s. territory making him a u.s. citizen in two ways....you're a complete idiot"

"Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."

FAIL

"your dumb, for one thing, if your parents are u.s. citizens, no matter where you're born you are automatically an american"

But you are not necessarily a "natural-born citizen", which is the point

DOUBLE FAIL

I love failing people, keep em coming noobs.
 
stop being a pussy and just say you dont like john McCain in your thread title, instead of some bullshit you are wrong about. Grow a pair and state your opinion b/c the only reason you made this was to bash McCain, so at least come out and say it.

 
I thought it was obvious but I'll spell it out for you.

I think John McCain is unfit for the presidency. I don't like him.

........lol
 
then why didnt you just say that instead of making yourslef look like an ass by making something up about the guy
 
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