Marine Vet Wounded Occupy Oakland

one of the basic things riot police do is break up groups of any size.

Had 1 or 2 people gone over to help, like there was at first, they probably would have been left alone, then when the police advance they would have been assisted and brought to an ambulance. But when a crowd mobs around them, no one benefits. It doesn't help the victim, doesn't help first aid, and to the police is just looks like a group congregating again.

What are 10 most likely untrained people going to do to help him? Guarantee that most of them simply wanted to take pictures or get him on video. It's not a war, your buddy isn't going to be captured or arrested if he's hurt. He's going to be treated by qualified paramedics, and sent to a hospital.
 
they would probably carry him out of the environment. thats what they teach you in first aid right? something like, if you can't remove the hazardous environment from around the victim, remove your victim from the hazardous environment? no fire no wire no gas no glass?? something that they were going to do until they were flash banged.
 
Perhaps, but the hazardous condition was created by them approaching him. Otherwise I didn't see anymore riots or fighting.
 
He's wearing his combat jacket... .so why wouldn't they... it's not a "hipster" look...

But to be honest - what im really saying is, do you know he was just standing there minding his own business and then bam, was shot in the head?

Don't just jump on the bandwagon - there is always two sides to a story... and then the truth. I am not defending anyone here btw.

 
Did he get shot in the head by the police in a riot?

No - why not?

Think about it.

As i said - don't jump on bandwagons until you know the truth. If the cop shot him because he "didn't like the cut of his jib".... then he deserves criminal punishment... but I find that very very hard to believe. Even more so because the guy has a military jacket on.

I'd find it easier to believe if he'd just shot the hipster with a pink fixie.... :-)
 
If police are "dismanteling" a protest they want people to get out of there and not in a big group.

Running at that man to "help" him is stupid.

First of all the police will try to desperse you away from the victim.

Secondly (atleast over here) all police man know first aid, and there are paramedics behind the police.

One of my friends is a riot cop over in Russia.

Whenever they see anyone injured they take them with them to the paramedics and were it is safe.

What the protestors just did is bring that man back into "the danger zone" and away from were paramedics would most likely be.

What I still think is weird is the use of teargas and the likes.

Using watercannon like the Dutch and Belgians is far more effective.

I've seen it used during a riot after a Dutch soccer match and it was able to singehandedly stop a 500man group of violent football hooligans.

They are immensely powerful but will not cause damage.
 
good idea but its cheaper and easier for people to buy shit from these big companies like a WalMart..

People already have no money, they arent going to but the mom and pop macaroni for 4.50 when they can get kraft for like 2..
 
Also lets not forget that they police usually give you about 10 warning before they start shooting rubber bullets or gas.. So maybe when they tell you to leave on the 5th or 6th time you should leave.
 
^ things haven't changed much, this is a common misconception. if people don't like how things work in this country they should try living someplace else....like Uganda for example. most places are just as fucked up as the US.

or

run for office and try to influence change at the structural level! everyone knows the american political system is fucked up. i mean really? i bipartisan system that consolidates the interests of a completely heterogeneous society into two schools of thought?? presidents that are elected with less than 50% of the popular vote?? candidates who win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote???? are you fucking kidding me?? someone on NS man up and run for office please.
 
Sparknotes of my opinion:

Protesters gather in New York for a protest with no real direction which, unfortunately, misses the point and gives them a bad image but gets publicity. This message spreads through all of the broke hipsters who hate on "the man" who then set up more stupid protests and get confrontational with authority and inconvenience everyone else, then bitch about the man giving them a good slap to knock some sense into them.

The top 10% of wealth resides in people making $65,000+ annually. The super rich are not the problem (top 1%) it is the 90% making below $65,000 annually which we should be concerned about. In Canada, a 2% increase on the HST would generate enough money to help pull everyone out of poverty. There will always be over paid people, but there doesn't have to be people in poverty. Bill Gates and other super rich folks do so much philanthropic work and it isn't fair to generalize and say all rich people are selfish pricks.

The Occupy "_________" movement needs to revamp its image and bring up facts and intelligent points and get on Opera or some talk shows or something rather than getting into fights with police and bitching about the casualties taken due to sheer stupidity and ignorance.
 
Things have changed a lot when it comes to police and protesting..

Thats what I am talking about and if you dont believe me well think about this, I dont think they had the ability to shoot people in the head with tear gas canisters in 1776. I could be wrong, I may need to brush up my 1700's weapon technology.

Oh and A lot of shit has changed since 1776. You are an idiot if you think very little has changed. In 1776 im pretty sure the United States was made up of like 13 states, I think we have 50 now. Thats a nice size change. Just one simple example.
 
In posts I made a week ago I said the same exact thing pretty much.

Occupying wall street isnt going to do anything. You arent stopping the guys in skyscrapers above you from making a million dollars a day...

These people need to go occupy somewhere that can make changes. The capital, your state capital, town halls, local government offices, governors office, senate offices... Places where you can let the people in power know you arent voting for them again if they dont hold to their part of the deal.

Politicians need to be held accountable for what they say. Your boss at work doesnt have to write down on a piece of paper what he wants you to do, he tells you and you do it. If you dont you get fired. If a politician tells us he is going to do something, it comes out of his own mouth and he doesnt follow up.. FIRE HIS ASS.. It hows all other jobs work, they are also supposed to be doing a job.
 
Meh, I think they have a reasonably coherent message. The media just says "they don't know what they're protesting" as a way to de-value the movement.

People are protesting this:

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If i was blaming the victim, I'd be asking what he was doing standing 10 feet from a police line at a riot in the first place.

I'm blaming the crowd of people who ran over to get their second in the spotlight and caused this problem.

And just a little general information, usually tear gas containers are fired like artillery from locations behind the police lines. At least in most departments they are. So while there is a chance that the guy got hit from feet away, it's more likely that it was a random shot from someone further back who didn't aim at him specifically.

But I'd like to reiterate that none of us were there, so we simply don't know. Maybe he was aimed at from feet away intentionally, and maybe the flashbang was thrown to spite him. But any police SOP for handling riots simply doesn't condone that, and hopefully justice can be brought.
 
I think they have a good message, but the number that actually know what that message is supposed to be is quite a bit lower than the number of people who are out there protesting. The real protestors who know what they're doing aren't the ones fighting the police, or stealing from one another and causing problems.

As strange as it sounds, there's too many bandwagon protestors who just jumped on, and unfortunately make the whole thing seem foolish.
 
haha...you are a retard. i don't think that anyone would argue that the size of the country has changed or that advancements in weapon technology have occurred since 1776. sure, they didn't have the ability to shoot someone in the head with tear gas canisters...instead they would just shoot you in the head with a rifle. ever hear of the boston massacre????

what hasn't changed are the political structures that keep a wealthy minority in control of the masses. american politics and the american economic system suck. that being said, they are the best systems available to us at the moment and until someone comes up with a better idea we are stuck with them. get to coming up with good ideas instead of just spitting out bullshit.
 
yeah that is pretty fucked up. I think the protest is kinda ridiculous but seeing a cop do that is WAY more ridiculous. Fuck I hate some cops, I don't give a fuck if they are just doing their jobs they are still sometimes bad people.
 
i dunno if anyone's pointed out this obvious point yet, but here goes.

Those riot police were there to disperse the protesters, and the most effective way to do so is to fire their non lethal weapons into groups, not just anywhere wasting rounds and time. So one of them saw a group of people together and fired upon them. I don't support either side in this, but it's far more likely some cop was just trying to disperse what he saw as a group of protesters than "ima make sure that fucker dies"
 
I simply stated there are two sides to every story.... and that they may infer him as being of a military background by his clothing? A reasonable (if not conclusive) assumption to make... if, as i mentioned, you play devils advocate. I also clearly stated i was not defending anyone in this.

Where as ... "This is the biggest shit argument i have ever heard" pretty much sum's up your IQ and ability to fabricate a sentence that is not copied and pasted.

As for my IQ and level of intelligence - well... others will probably fill you in on that one as you don't know me.

but for now - please...

Jog on sweetheart.

 
Occupy protesters would be better off attempting to lobby the government than make fools of themselves and any incoherent ideology they promote. Move somewhere abroad if you aren't content here.
 
Yeah the guy getting his skull practically crushed wasn't needed Marine or not but at the same time this is in motherfucking Oakland. Don't people there know you don't fuck with the police cause they are like the mafia. You love tap them they fucking come back with an RPG.
 
Oh yeah I forgot that back in 1776 people didn't know the consequences for fighting someone much more powerful than you for something you feel strongly about. They had no idea anyone would get hurt or die. /sarcasm

 
Lol

"I assumed he was a man who fought for our country by his jacket so I shot him point blank in the head instead of the arm or leg with a weapon that is clearly meant to debilitate."
 
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