Make me a famous soap salesman WTF!! T-WALL!!

Cant we just agree the Tom completely deserves this award and would be incredibly stupid not to take the money and the endorsement, while also agreeing that are negative aspects to a corporation with iffy ethics attempting to assert it self into our sport solely for the purpose of making money. And its up to underground groups like NS to keep skiing from going to far down the slippery slope of corporate buy ins
 
Good lord, are you serious?
Jon has won the US Open slopestyle, and has medaled at the XGames halfpipe. Not to mention put some decent BC into his recent segments. And he is getting pretty damn good at ski racing now as well.
Jon pretty much defines a well-rounded, versatile, multi-talented skier, and your impression is that he "does one thing" ?!? Brutal.
 
yes, he's better at rails. But are rails the only part of skiing there is? NO!!! Jumps, rails, and pipes are only a tiny section of our sport! I don't care if someone can do an 810 on, quadruple pretzel hippie killer to kang flip with so much afterbang his skis break!! He would be very good on rails, but could he do the rest of it? I don't mean just jumps and pipes, but could he ski big mountain? Could he ride Sage's knifeblade lines in AK? Could he get down a mogul run without looking retarded? Could he even ski powder?
Now, I'm not saying that Wallish is a bad skier, nor am I saying he can't ski powder, nor am I dissing him in any way. I'm just saying there's far more to skiing than sliding across a skinny piece of metal.
 
.........you do realize the Jon olsson is the oldest athelete that still competes so there for dont compare him to tom, second look at dumont in TBC(wich you probely have never seen) compared to now how much hes progressed himself is insane and can ski pipe, BC, and park, were tom only knows park(but since your probely like most on this site wich think the words park and ski mean the identical same thing im not going to get into that with you) and sammy has won 2 x games gold, and pretty much if you think about it has podiumed every event hes been in for the past 2 years so......................................
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the point that i was trying to make with my post was that Tom is not famous right now. and that he is much less famous then the names that i mentioned.

so........................................... how do i fail
 
well thats my bad because i didnt state that i was going by strictly park/urban, i understand what you are saying... but anyway i couldnt judge tom against any of those cause ive never seen tom ride bc. but i guess what i was saying is that if all of them had been entered in the compitition i would say, (you may dissagree but,) I would say that tom would win
 
First off- it's hard to read..please separate paragraphs
You seem to be arguing that any and all money coming into the sport is a good thing and we should have a grab all you can get attitude.This is a very temporary mindset. Sure it willl be of benefit for a while but it is not sustainable.
I like to think of skiers as free thinkers. Thankyou to libertybdub for backing me up on this. This is the reason we want to take on issues as a whole such as combatting global warming etc. We should look to make a positive influence. The real question is how far are you willing to go to get your external sponsorships? Would you promote oil or pharmaceutical companies if they simply offer you cash? Do you think its ok to sport a EXXON MOBIL sticker on your helmet whilst your chairlift is being offset by windpower? Would you like to see hannah montana plastered all over your local park? Where do you draw the line?
ANWSER: I agree with you on this aspect. I once overheard a discussion involving the snowboard industry (Brainfarm) with someone drawing the line at being sponsored by McDonalds, with the emphasis on sending the wrong message to kids, at the same time they were being majorly backed by Red Bull, which in my humble opinion is a pretty shitty product to be marketing to that same demographic.
Also it is the overall image that can influence opinion and shape the direction this sport will take. If you flood our sport with advertising of products that do not relate to us it distorts the image of what we want to present as a whole. Do you want kids to participate because they find skiing fun and respect the athletic ability or like other sports simply because they see it as cool at the time. You argue that we should promote to the MTV crowd as they are stupid sheep with lots of extra money to spend in our industry. This would result in a temporary surge in sales whilst we have their attention, then a big drop.
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What the fuck are we gonna do without money? Were you listening to Mr. Lennon's music when you wrote this you hippie communist?
WTF is this comment? Are you somehow implying that i think we should all be volunteers and have no money involved. This is a hugely ignorant statement.
I am not a commy,nor hippie and i support capitalism. Thanks Rogge for your comment. I do see potential for a two way street type deal with outsiders that do see value, but it must be understood that is simply not the motivation for the majority trying to market to us.
We should view ourselves as a community. Not a demographic. If we choose to endorse companies that are owned by skiers that will continue the financial prosperity and support/ sponsorships for our athletes.
Also i need to ask. You seem to be very passionate about following corporate agendas and fuck everyone else. Do you really think their massive profits will filter down to you in some way? Do you not see the problems with the plundering of resources and wanton pollution simply for profit? Are you a fan of the Federal Reserve? There is solutions within a capitalism to not let these attrocities continue and that comes from small business and corporations WITH ethics. Not massive takeovers and monopolies.
 
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StartFragmentANSWER:Yes, these type of sponsorships do filter down. And what Rogge referenced is agreat example of this (and a good example of non-endemic sponsorship ingeneral). Of course in a perfect world all corporate sponsors would be guiltfree of ethic atrocities. Is that the case right now? No….and if you can giveme an example of an regular ski company which follows every standard that youhave set, I will stand corrected. Butmy previous argument still stands: Would you turn down $20,000 from Coast forentering a winning video?EndFragment
 
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StartFragmentAlso itis the overall image that can influence opinion and shape the direction thissport will take. If you flood our sport with advertising of products that donot relate to us it distorts the image of what we want to present as a whole.Do you want kids to participate because they find skiing fun and respectthe athletic ability or like other sports simply because they see it as cool atthe time. You argue that we should promote to the MTV crowd as they are stupidsheep with lots of extra money to spend in our industry. This would result in atemporary surge in sales whilst we have their attention, then a big drop. ANSWER:Well again you are somewhat correct, and again using the snowboard industrymodel as an example this is true. But “newschool” sking has not nearly reachedthe saturation point and following growth plateau that snowboarding has….cueSHAUN WHITE … and the NESTEA commercial with Danny Kass.Butdo you really fear for the sport as a whole because of one body washendorsement? We are not nearly at that Olympics level yet, and even if we were,there would still (and are) people keeping it real to counter any impact thatmainstream advertising would have.EndFragment
 
Do you think that your beloved mountains put over half their budget into a park because people decided one day they really wanted a sick park....NOOOOOOOOO! It happens because big corporate sponsors make the athletes name get out there which in return makes kids buy lift tickets to get out there and ride. Without this "horrible" corporate sponsorship the ski industry dies. And for those of you who don't remember it almost did if snowboarding didn't revitalize the entire snow industry, particularly resorts. Finally your comment about Tom hating children is outlandish at best. Your basis for this claim also stands to reason that if you have a T-shirt from china or Taiwan then you support abusing children in sweatshops.
 
4. We face a horrible future if we market or endorse products that do not directly support, have a stake or believe in the vision of what we do and only see it as a money making oppurtunity. This will only lead to the destruction of what has thus been built.
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Hasn't Paul Mitchell been like the #1 sponsor of skiing events for a couple decades now. Paul Mitchell is hair care products and probably the only reason skiing events have ever made it on TV other than Mountain Dew and espn.
 
I Think its great that Tom won, he is famous to Newschoolers kids and generally hardcore park skiers, but there are still alot of people that know who Jon and Simon are compared to how many know who Tom is, as previously mentioned.

Tom has now gotten 20 000 dollars to support his lifestyle so he can keep on progressing and doing what he loves, because face it - Tom doesn't really have money like Jon and Simon, Jon buys cars like they are computer games and set up the world's most luxurious contest every year.

When Tom gets that kind of publicity and cash, then it is right to start arguing if signing up to these contests.

Ohh and to your glue sniffing trolling:

WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE START TAKING DRUGS? BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEIR LIFE WOULD BE BETTER TAKING THEM!

jesus christ, some people don't have a choice when they grow up in an environment like poor kids. in my town we had Norway's youngest Needle addict (Heroin and so forth) being only 8 years old which is fucking rediculous, but his parents were both abusers and he saw what they did and tried it.

Some people need to learn the main reason for drug abuse, and sometimes it has nothing to do with FREE WILL or being THEIR FAULT.

 
Man I would have agreed with you if you stopped at #1
T-Wall is arguably one of the most famous skiers in the industry today and probably was not deserving of winning that particular contest as that publicity could have really helped an unknown up and comer. But in his respect it was a fan judged contest and he had by far the best video.
But $20,000 is a lot of money especially for a young skier like Tom. Skiers DO NOT make that much unless you're Jon or Simon or Tanner, It's not an easy living (fun but not easy).
And also, Are you stupid? Non ski related companies and huge corporate ski companies are what helped get free skiing off the ground. Ever heard of Paul Mitchel hair care products? They're one of TJ Schillers biggest sponsors and also sponsor events. Also unhealthy energy drinks don't really have a lot to do with skiing if you really think about it. (No more than soap) but they helped skiing get started too. So no one complains when they pay riders millions of dollars to endorse their products or put on events.
Coast had nothing but good intentions by putting on this event. They don't have to spend money on skiing and snowboarding to get their product name out there but they did. And I think that's a pretty honorable thing. Yes, it got screwed up in the end because everyone voted for T-Wall but thats what happens in audience based comps. (X-Games Big Air). So Stop complaining about corporations in skiing it's always been a corproatized sport and always will be. So stop complaining be thankful for companies that want to help us all out and DEAL WITH IT.
 
Lets clear this up I agree with you that we should support the ski industry. No one is arguing against that. What I am arguing against is your opinion that Coast sponsoring Mr. Wallisch is not helping the ski industry. I am arguing that it does.
When Coast sponsors Mr. Wallisch, or when Paul Mitchell sponsors Mr. Schiller or when Redbull sponsors Mr. Hall, the sponsoring company is putting their money into the ski industry. It can not be argued that the more money there is in the ski industry the better off the industry is.
You also have this fixation on not supporting outsiders. You state that we should rather spend our money in the ski industry rather then in other industries. It is here that you will start to run into problems. Our human needs require us to buy things like groceries, pay for water, get a house and have adequate clothing (not really but it makes life much more enjoyable to not be naked and homeless).As you can see it is rather difficult to only support the ski industry and not others. Other societal standards also encourage us to bath and wash ourselves on a regular basis. Personally, I use soap or body wash when doing so, I find that it does a better job at keeping me from developing a less then ideal aromatic aura which tends to offend those with higher proportions of estrogen in their bodies. Anyway, neither soap nor body wash grow in my vegetable patch. I am forced to either buy or steel them then. Again society as well as moral values encourage us to buy rather then steel. I chose to buy. When I do this I am decidedly spending money on an industry other then the ski industry. Now, I am not sure whether you like to keep yourself clean or not, but we will assume that you do. If you do not you can ignore the following. When you go to buy whatever cleaning products, you are awarded with a variety of brands and options; non of which you would include under the ski industry. You can chose to support any of them. When you chose to support Coast however, some of that money is funneled back into the ski industry. Before Coast started sponsoring skiers or promoting ski events (not sure if they do), you would not have had any option to support the ski industry. Now you do. If skiers start to prefer Coast over other brands, coast may realize that there is indeed a good return on investments made in the ski industry, this will only encourage them to invest more in the ski industry by sponsoring other athletes and events.
Coast sponsoring Mr. Wallisch is only a good thing for the ski industry.
As for the sustainability part. you argue that as soon as Coast is only doing this to make money and once it starts losing money in the ski industry they will pull their investments out of it. First off, I am going to try very hard to impress this upon you: this is the same for every other company in the ski industry, all the way from your local 'core' shop to ski companies like ON3P to the giants like Sports Authority and K2. Once they start losing money they will leave the ski industry. It should also be noted that you the consumer can decide how sustainable Coast and others putting money into the ski industry will be. If the skier consumer choses to support them, and continue to support them you will find that it is very sustainable. If, instead, consumers chose to do as you advocate and don't support Coast or others like Paul Mitchell, you will find that the support from those companies is indeed very temporary and non-sustainable.
 
No He isn't. Jon is only 26.Colby West is older than him and if we're also talking about Big Mtn comps. 26 is young.
and the rest of your comment makes no sense btw.
 
hahahahhaa, talking like you know me boy.... watch your assumptions would ya? you're the kind of people that hurt newschoolers and are a defeatist through and through.
 
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