M&A Movie 2011/2012 Official Thread

It would make sense to have 3 maybe 4 of the most talented editors do all the editing. Rather than have every person contributing each edit a segment. Maybe have one person do the intro, then after that break it down into East Coast, Midwest, West Coast, or something along those lines. (This is of course assuming everybody contributing is based in North America.)
 
throw a canada seggie in there too, i know a lot of guys would contribute to that
 
I have an idea.

Everyone edits their own segments that they shot. BUT! They need to include with that edit 2 interviews answering 5-10 pre determined questions that are related to where they are and what they're doing/what they've done this season. These could look something like this:

1.) What's the setting of your segment? If there is more than one please address all.

2.) Introduce your riders.

3.) What do you like about your home mountain?

4.) How long has your crew been skiing together?

5.) What motivates you and your friends to get out?

6.) How did weather/injuries/other obstacles effect your season?

7.) Any additional comments?

They'll obviously be more thought out and well written but there's an idea.

This along with some landscape and filler footage will be sent to the master editor who will use this to compile the segments in a fashion that isn't jarring and allows more freedom when the time comes to sit down in the editing room. There should be a minimum amount of filler footy and the same for the interview. It could really make the movie come together as a whole.
 
It's a good idea, but I wouldn't be down with giving all my footage to somebody. Also how would we all exchange footage?
 
this. imo i think its better for people to edit there own shots, and i think this is a good idea to help the flow.
 
i think it's also cool that way because it is the M&A movie, after all. so it should showcase a little of the style of each member who is involved.
 
HOWEVER, we should maybe create a set of rules when it comes to editing? this is way in advance but it just popped into my head. i'm all for artistic freedom to some degree, but we should ban some things that can only make it worse (dubstep, twixtor, etc.)
 
definitely. i was thinking the same thing. how about no (or very limited) gopro shots? also we should make sure that everyone is shooting on cameras that will produce acceptable video.
 
yah what needs to happen is set a deadline for everyone to enter then make a cult with all those people in it so that from their everyone can see the guidelines and so we can get more details made about the final product.
 
i would say the only gopro footage should be POV, and even then, it better be super gnarly. but no gopro at all would also be great. HD is mandatory, and preferably either 24fps or 60fps. if possible, each person should have to convert their footage to a uniform format and, once again if possible, conform it to 24fps. we should also come up with a uniform labeling system. everyone must convert, conform (if possible), and label before sending out footy.
 
agreed for sure. everyone should be exporting in 24p anyways (thats what I do at least)
 
definitely. if somebody wants to submit footy of a POV crazy big mountain line, then thats fine, but even then theres a good chance it wont get used. i find gopro to be very hard to work into an edit that is mostly not gopro footage.
 
Zmox and I are working on putting together a rough draft of rules, will post them here for everyone to agree/disagree with
 
Ok but as I was saying earlier I think we should get together a deadline for when people can stop entering and then create a cult for this so that all the info could be displayed easily and it would all be discussed only by people contributing to the film.
 
how do I conform my 60fps footage to 24p on windows? I use mostly vegas and I always hear about conforming buy I don't know hot to do it.
 
with windows?

I have no clue how to do that. Fortunately premiere (and I think vegas) don't require you to do so. I do everything in 30p though, so this will require a change or two.
 
Wasn't meant to sound defensive just relieved. I was glad I haven't been rendering my videos wrong this whole time and yeah I shot 60 render in 30.
 
If we decide to do this, there should be one or two people ultimately in charge of editing the film itself that people could send their segment to for approval/advice. (Will would be a good candidate for this, based on the caliber of his work)
 
Here's a few ideas i have for rules:

no slow motion beyond whats fluid (40% @ 60fps)

interlaced footage MUST be deinterlaced

no cropping or smoothcam on 720p shots (and no cropping beyond 720 on 1080p shots)

music must be approved before the edit?

No half assing, if theres a problem you see in your edit you have gotta fix it (not just leave it because your lazy)

why dont we just make the rule NO go pro

no titles on your edit (that will be put in by master editor)

export in 24p, shoot in 24p and 60p that is conformed to 24p

all cameras used must be approved

no shaky shots (must be using tripod or some sort of stabilizer)

Very limited/no "joking around" in the edits (i hate it when i see an edit that is half people doing spread eagles off the side of a catwalk just for fun)

avoid specific editing "themes", like doing lots of split screen transitions, B&W, etc.

no bad transitions (you know what i mean; no "page turn")

No logos or anything in the segments. i think this is a given, but a lot of people will put logos and stuff at the start of their edits.

Footage MUST be color corrected (not graded or anything, just fixed up a little)

no super dramatic color grading (it would make the segment lose "flow with the movie)

good audio (no audio the whole time from a t2i mic of a follow cam of a jump, etc.)

once everyone's role decided, they MUST be committed to produce the BEST QUALITY edit they can.

no sketchy computer stabilization (sometimes smooth cam can kinda fuck up the shot)

limited fisheye

stick to your plan (if you say you'll be shooting park, shoot park, if you say you'll be shooting BC, shoot BC. if this doesn't happen we wont get the mixture of styles that we have figured out before hand)

avoid auto exposure (or auto anything)

if a shot turns out crappy, even if the rider does a pretty dope trick, dont include it in your seggy

make sure shots are in focus (pretty much a given)

try to make some plans with the shooting (don't just think, im skiing a lot this season, ill shoot whenever)

IF you are low on shots, some one like will who can contribute footage but not a segment can give you some footage

there ya go, i could go all day, and i know some of these are common sense, but i see them in a lot of edits...
 
oh and a couple last things

as far as cameras, id say HV30 quality and above works

also, we should probably export a preliminary version of our segments, get them critiqued, and implement the ideas we have to improve them and make them flow better with the other edits.
 
Just a few things

-Length of the edits?

-Just a suggestions, it may be better for the master editor to do all the cc just so we get it more consistent

-I think it would be sweet if we decided the soundtrack as a whole, then you have to edit with what you given, then may be nice so we don't get all the same genre or even in the case of two people using the same song
 
I Like this, that way everyone already has a song approved for them that they can edit to. Instead of having to search for one.
 
Also, it would probably be a good idea to decide on a font and style for titles or motion graphics.
 
This, I was thinking like me or jamie or a few of us download all the footage and the FCP project and do colouring and titles.
 
I'd be in to make some titles and do coloring. IMO, i think we should color correct our own seggys...
 
I think the only problem with color correcting our own segments is all the correcting could look different and some people who aren't as good at color correcting could ruin the shot by doing so.
 
i'd say there should be a select few of us who would do color correcting & grading. there are not a ton of us in m&a who know that color correcting and grading is more than crushing blacks and boosting saturation
 
It's art, no one's going to "ruin" anything. Worst case scenario it adds more personality to the different segments. I say allow color correction. Maybe have some rules against using heavy grading, but each contributor deserves the freedom to make their segment look the way they want.
 
i did put in my proposed rules no extreme grading. and if we're going to have a few people do the colors, it might as well just be one person. i say one person or everyone corrects there own segments
 
perhaps people should have to show the final projects off before sending them in? If the colors are deemed meh, then they can be told to have an experienced colorist do it?
 
This is true, however, some people on here, yourself included produce beautiful colors that really bring an edit to life. It would be a shame to take away that freedom.

As far as the soundtrack I agree with whoever posted above, we should have a predetermined set of songs that can be divided amongst the film makers based on editing style and type of skiing.
 
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