"Looks like we might lose... election fraud anyone?"

Your apology is accepted. I'm glad to see you have some humility.

As for what you believe, this may or may not be the appropriate thread to discuss this if you want to debate. There is a lot there I both agree and disagree with, whether it be on principle or actual practicality.
 
Intelligence and maturity are indeed not correlated. Experience, however, often contributes to maturity.
 
Just to comment a final time on my maturity take a look at my name here on NS "MikeOxbig" say it a couple times and you'll hear it as something different from Michael Oxbig. Also I am seriously thinking of delaying grad school to keep working in the ski industry where I will probably make a third as much I would as a history prof. So yeah maturity level is pretty low lol.
 
I can't say the same for the Hugh Jass-esque name, but theres nothing immature about working a year or two before stepping into grad school. Also keep in mind that just because you'd have a PhD in history doesn't mean you can only be a teacher...unless of course thats what you really want to do.
 
Well, since this thread is already fucked up beyond belief, I'll oblige. This was a good one.

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The Terrorist Barack Hussein Obama

IF you think way back to the start of this marathon campaign, back

when it seemed preposterous that any black man could be a serious

presidential contender, then you remember the biggest fear about Barack

Obama: a crazy person might take a shot at him.

Some voters told reporters that they didn’t want Obama to run, let alone

win, should his very presence unleash the demons who have stalked

America from Lincoln to King. After consultation with Congress, Michael

Chertoff, the homeland security secretary, gave Obama a Secret Service

detail earlier than any presidential candidate in our history — in May 2007, some eight months before the first Democratic primaries.

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“I’ve got the best protection in the world, so stop worrying,” Obama reassured

his supporters. Eventually the country got conditioned to his appearing

in large arenas without incident (though I confess that the first loud

burst of fireworks at the end of his convention stadium speech gave me

a start). In America, nothing does succeed like success. The fear

receded.

Until now. At McCain-Palin rallies, the raucous and insistent cries of “Treason!” and “Terrorist!” and “Kill him!” and “Off with his head!” as well as the uninhibited slinging of racial epithets,

are actually something new in a campaign that has seen almost every

conceivable twist. They are alarms. Doing nothing is not an option.

All’s

fair in politics. John McCain and Sarah Palin have every right to bring

up William Ayers, even if his connection to Obama is minor,

even if Ayers’s Weather Underground history dates back to Obama’s

childhood, even if establishment Republicans and Democrats alike have

collaborated with the present-day Ayers in educational reform. But it’s

not just the old Joe McCarthyesque guilt-by-association game, however

spurious, that’s going on here. Don’t for an instant believe the many

mindlessly “even-handed” journalists who keep saying that the McCain

campaign’s use of Ayers is the moral or political equivalent of the

Obama campaign’s hammering on Charles Keating.

What makes them

different, and what has pumped up the Weimar-like rage at McCain-Palin

rallies, is the violent escalation in rhetoric, especially (though not

exclusively) by Palin. Obama “launched his political career in the living room of a domestic terrorist.” He is “palling around with terrorists

(note the plural noun). Obama is “not a man who sees America the way

you and I see America.” Wielding a wildly out-of-context Obama quote,

Palin slurs him as an enemy of American troops.

By the time McCain asks the crowd “Who is the real Barack Obama?” it’s no surprise that someone cries out “Terrorist!” The rhetorical conflation of Obama with terrorism is complete. It is stoked further by the repeated invocation

of Obama’s middle name by surrogates introducing McCain and Palin at

these rallies. This sleight of hand at once synchronizes with the

poisonous Obama-is-a-Muslim e-mail blasts and shifts the brand of

terrorism from Ayers’s Vietnam-era variety to the radical Islamic

threats of today.

That’s a far cry from simply accusing Obama of

being a guilty-by-association radical leftist. Obama is being branded

as a potential killer and an accessory to past attempts at murder.

“Barack Obama’s friend tried to kill my family” was how a McCain press release last week packaged the remembrance of a Weather Underground incident from 1970 — when Obama was 8.

We

all know what punishment fits the crime of murder, or even potential

murder, if the security of post-9/11 America is at stake. We all know

how self-appointed “patriotic” martyrs always justify taking the law

into their own hands.

Obama can hardly be held accountable for

Ayers’s behavior 40 years ago, but at least McCain and Palin can try to

take some responsibility for the behavior of their own supporters in

2008. What’s troubling here is not only the candidates’ loose

inflammatory talk but also their refusal to step in promptly and

strongly when someone responds to it with bloodthirsty threats in a

crowded arena. Joe Biden had it exactly right when he expressed concern last week

that “a leading American politician who might be vice president of the

United States would not just stop midsentence and turn and condemn

that.” To stay silent is to pour gas on the fires.

It wasn’t always thus with McCain. In February he loudly disassociated himself

from a speaker who brayed “Barack Hussein Obama” when introducing him

at a rally in Ohio. Now McCain either backpedals with tardy, pro forma expressions of respect for his opponent or lets second-tier campaign underlings release boilerplate disavowals

after ugly incidents like the chilling Jim Crow-era flashback last week

when a Florida sheriff ranted about “Barack Hussein Obama” at a Palin

rally while in full uniform.

From

the start, there have always been two separate but equal questions

about race in this election. Is there still enough racism in America to

prevent a black man from being elected president no matter what? And,

will Republicans play the race card? The jury is out on the first

question until Nov. 4. But we now have the unambiguous answer to the

second: Yes.

McCain, who is no racist, turned to this desperate

strategy only as Obama started to pull ahead. The tone was set at the

Republican convention, with Rudy Giuliani’s mocking dismissal of Obama as an “only in America” affirmative-action baby. We also learned then that the McCain campaign had recruited as a Palin handler

none other than Tucker Eskew, the South Carolina consultant who had

worked for George W. Bush in the notorious 2000 G.O.P. primary battle

where the McCains and their adopted Bangladeshi daughter were slimed by

vicious racist rumors.

No less disconcerting was a

still-unexplained passage of Palin’s convention speech: Her use of an

unattributed quote praising small-town America (as opposed to, say,

Chicago and its community organizers) from Westbrook Pegler, the mid-century Hearst columnist famous for his anti-Semitism, racism and violent rhetorical excess. After an assassin tried to kill F.D.R. at a Florida rally and murdered Chicago’s mayor instead in 1933, Pegler wrote that it was “regrettable that Giuseppe Zangara shot the wrong man.” In the ’60s, Pegler had a wish

for Bobby Kennedy: “Some white patriot of the Southern tier will

spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow

falls.”

This is the writer who found his way into a speech by a

potential vice president at a national political convention. It’s

astonishing there’s been no demand for a public accounting from the

McCain campaign. Imagine if Obama had quoted a Black Panther or Louis

Farrakhan — or William Ayers — in Denver.

The operatives who

would have Palin quote Pegler have been at it ever since. A key

indicator came two weeks after the convention, when the McCain campaign

ran its first ad tying Obama to the mortgage giant Fannie Mae. Rather

than make its case by using a legitimate link between Fannie and Obama

(or other Democratic leaders), the McCain forces chose a former Fannie executive who had no real tie to Obama or his campaign but did have a black face that could dominate the ad’s visuals.

There

are no black faces high in the McCain hierarchy to object to these

tactics. There hasn’t been a single black Republican governor, senator

or House member in six years. This is a campaign where Palin can

repeatedly declare

that Alaska is “a microcosm of America” without anyone even wondering

how that might be so for a state whose tiny black and Hispanic

populations are each roughly one-third the national average. There are indeed so few people of color at McCain events that a black senior writer from The Tallahassee Democrat was mistakenly ejected

by the Secret Service from a campaign rally in Panama City in August,

even though he was standing with other reporters and showed his

credentials. His only apparent infraction was to look glaringly out of

place.

Could the old racial politics still be determinative?

I’ve long been skeptical of the incessant press prognostications (and

liberal panic) that this election will be decided by racist white men

in the Rust Belt. Now even the dimmest bloviators have figured out that

Americans are riveted by the color green, not black — as in money, not

energy. Voters are looking for a leader who might help rescue them, not

a reckless gambler whose lurching responses to the economic meltdown (a

campaign “suspension,” a mortgage-buyout stunt that changes daily) are

as unhinged as his wanderings around the debate stage.

To see how fast the tide is moving, just look at North Carolina. On July 4 this year — the day that the godfather of modern G.O.P. racial politics, Jesse Helms, died — The Charlotte Observer reported that strategists of both parties agreed Obama’s chances to win the state fell “between slim and none.” Today, as Charlotte reels from the implosion of Wachovia, the McCain-Obama race is a dead heat in North Carolina and Helms’s Republican successor in the Senate, Elizabeth Dole, is looking like a goner.

But

we’re not at Election Day yet, and if voters are to have their final

say, both America and Obama have to get there safely. The McCain

campaign has crossed the line between tough negative campaigning and

inciting vigilantism, and each day the mob howls louder. The onus is on

the man who says he puts his country first to call off the dogs, pit

bulls and otherwise.

 
I guess that depends on how you would define "greatest."

This election has reached lows I have never thought possible. When it was first mention that Obama's middle name was Hussein I thought that was something that would blow over; I was wrong apparently. This crap has sparked enough racial remarks to make MLK roll over in his grave. It's sad what some politicians (on both sides) have resorted to in order to sway the voting populous.
 
well not only did he graduate near the bottom of his class, he flew a number of missions, and more than half of them ended in failure of a crash. also, he snapped under interrogation (which he lied about), and the 2 other POWs he was with didnt....

liar much?
 
I promise you all that I did not start out as a McCain opponent for no reason. To me the political party really does not matter.

I was most impressed by Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich. Both of these men have been painted as loonies. Even if some of the things they say cause you to raise an eyebrow, please remember that Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are the two men who regularly speak out on the House floor against all kinds of travesties occurring in our country. I have seen them in debate in the House of Reps, and they say some lucid and direct things which cut through a lot of the bullshit we so often hear from politicians.

But neither of those guys is running, and probably largely because they do not have the charisma and popularity that Obama and McCain do. And yes, if you are going to dismiss these men, I would like to hear why, and not just "that guy wants to abolish the IRS". Show me that you understand why he wants to abolish the IRS and why you are against that. Back to the current candidates...

This type of leader worship is a scary thing. This is not George Washington we are talking about. These are men who are mediocre in the national arena. Whoa..Don't believe me? Obviously Obama does not have a great amount of experience. McCain's claim to fame is his foreign policy experience. I do not believe that he has much, especially after reading comments by General Wesley Clark. Maybe he does though..please point them out.

Anyway, I would like to show you all why I oppose John McCain and I hope you understand that I do this in good conscience. So I'll post video and writing soon. Please feel free to comment and I will end by saying: There is a slight chance I could be convinced to support him if some new evidence comes to light. But right now it seems like a slim chance.
 
I read 50% of it and got the point.. The irony in this is how Obama himself was drawing his own correlations to Lincoln. I don't want him to find his place in this world by fulfilling that kind of prophecy however, it makes me wonder. This is one super smart guy, I can't put my finger on it, he just bothers me, I don't know why............ I trust my intuition.
 
McCain has a propensity for rage:

Here is some more:

Here is a video that summarizes many of the other issues:

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I understand that some of this stuff is biased, but the video evidence does show some qualities which I would not want in a President.
 
This next one might not prove anything to you but its really good.

The issue here is that McCain was against many things that he is for now regarding our intervention in other countries.

 
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