what they said ^^^^^. You will not be disappointed if you go with SAGA. I love my pants. Best pants I have ever owned. Just be warned though, I am 6'3" and the xl's go probably almost a foot past the bottom of my boots if I am wearing them on my waist, and on the subject of waist, I can slip them on without unbuttoning. Just FYI. I would definitely buy XL's again but know that they are every bit as huge as everyone says.