parkratchic
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Totally thought LJ was gonna win gold but everyone did great they all could have won!!!
LJ Strenio Got Robbed Of X-Games Gold
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Barmski
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13792203:Newschooleri. said:
13792362:-Dan said:
Hahahahaha 2009 , that makes you what 26? People including myself have been on here post 01, love the 2009 claim. Good for you and ozzywong knows his shit and please don't compare an urban skier to Candide Thovex, Candide stopped skiing urban when you joined NS back in 2009, especially after his back injury. Magnus is obviously deserving of placing and the judging was very close, hell even Ahmet got robbed according to most people last year and he's a judge this year. Many people strongly believe LJ deserves it and it's a good argument to say he did, I am just stoked he got top 3. Magnus kills urban, but bring Candide into this ha wow.
The problem is the judges X-Games picked were all hella biased towards "steeze."
Jeff Schmuck: Head Judge?! Has he even hit an urban rail before???
Vinni Cash: I love Vinni, but he isn't an urban skier.. And he's in Edollo's crew. Super biased.
**They should've had Gus Kenworthy judge instead of Vinni if they wanted a guy who was a Medalist to be a judge. Gus is a legit urban skier even though he's mainly know for his Pipe/Slope skills.
Magnus and LJ were a toss up for first. Their edits were both next level in their own regard. LJ's edit was raw/tech as fuck and Magnus's was steezy/creative as fuck. Those two with Gold or Silver in any order made sense.
E'dollo got second because the judges were super biased towards "steeze/creativity" and because his good friend Vinni Cash was a judge. Yeah the ski industry is super connected, but that's like having Mike Hornbeck be a judge and expecting him not to favor Wallisch over the other skiers.
Jeff Schmuck: Head Judge?! Has he even hit an urban rail before???
Vinni Cash: I love Vinni, but he isn't an urban skier.. And he's in Edollo's crew. Super biased.
**They should've had Gus Kenworthy judge instead of Vinni if they wanted a guy who was a Medalist to be a judge. Gus is a legit urban skier even though he's mainly know for his Pipe/Slope skills.
Magnus and LJ were a toss up for first. Their edits were both next level in their own regard. LJ's edit was raw/tech as fuck and Magnus's was steezy/creative as fuck. Those two with Gold or Silver in any order made sense.
E'dollo got second because the judges were super biased towards "steeze/creativity" and because his good friend Vinni Cash was a judge. Yeah the ski industry is super connected, but that's like having Mike Hornbeck be a judge and expecting him not to favor Wallisch over the other skiers.
YUNG_milksteAk
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Who tf cares
KingTaco
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13792420:OHoblitzelle said:
I've seen your work and I respect it, but your homies would have some pretty damn big names in skiing if they could do 20% of what LJ did. Skiing is pretty hard to get noticed doing, but once youre at the top of the game people know who you are. Delorme for example seems to almost hide from skiing media, yet has a huge following.
That said, Magnus' edit didn't catch my eye in the slightest first watch, and barely impressed me the second and following watches. I put Henrik and LJ in the top two slots all day. I think one could make a MUCH more convincing case that "I got homies" who could do easily half of what Magnus was doing, and I'm saying this right now I could personally do half of what he was doing. LOTS of wide angle magic out there. Omg nb 4 on to that famous red ledge!!!... and the stairs were completely snowed in. And the banger shot was BARELY even a kissed the rail. Lets talk facts now.
No one skis with the tenacity that LJ skis with. I can understand the judging going toward the direction of innovation but to not put Henrik in the top slot if thats the case???
BROLF
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13792207:ozzywrong said:
It's pretty apparent you don't ski anymore, and I'm going to assume you've never done a nollie on anything more than flat ground, if not at all. The nollie over the front of the Dfd, nollie 4 on, wallride 2 one, hand drag pretz one off a 20 foot drop are all never been done urban tricks and there aren't many if any others who could do those tricks.
KingTaco
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13792399:nick_GAPER said:
More real skiers on the judging panel and the decision would have been clear.
I've seen it first hand, filmers and skiers who really love skiing but aren't technically great skiers themselves, will definitely favor and lean toward the stylie trendy skier types.
13792550:KingTaco said:
From what I've heard, the decision was clear. These quotes are from Ahmet, who has been a top level urban skier for a very long time.
“I valued the stuff that was outside the realm of what has been done before, the people who did something far different than what was expected. There were a few of them that were really top notch in that way. When you’re talking about the streets, one of the most interesting things is two people can look at things in such different ways, as far as tricks go, and how to hit it. There are a couple people that really took advantage of that, showing the different line, and different perspective.”
“Comparing Magnus to LJ is two different sides of the spectrum. It’s apples and oranges. Based on different views, you could come up with a bunch of different ways to decide who won and who didn’t. To me it’s about the superior progression, and what street skiing [is about]. It’s not necessarily about the biggest thing to hit, I like to see the most ‘out there’ way to hit something. It’s so hard to compare them, that’s where it gets difficult judging. I think we did a good job. The consensus was relatively solid, way more solid than I thought it would be. “
Read more athttps://www.newschoolers.com/news/r...Games-Real-Street-Judging#yS18eqsuBG1h7CKI.99
**This post was edited on Feb 26th 2017 at 11:53:59pm
benharrington_
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I think magnus deserved to win, LJ was legit crazy give him mad respect, but there was no way he had the style or smoothness Magnus did, that may be biast though cause i love magnus.
Bushdid9_11
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13792408:SigTveit said:
First off, I've never seen Magnus coming anywhere near the level of tech in LJ's segment.
Magnus (and the rest of the bunch) have gotten really, really, good at a type of skiing no one else is that good at, because no one has given a shit about it. You can rename a trick people got bored of pushing in the 70's (like nollies, shuffles, or underslides, seen guys like stein eriksen and alan drury do all of these), get incredibly good at it, ?????, profit. Doesn't make you the greatest skier ever. Also will make ozzywong hate you. No proven connection as of yet.
sbarlett
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I think anyone that criticizes Magnus's skiing doesn't look into his actual tricks nearly deep enough. You don't really see anyone else in skiing that has that much control over the flex of a pair of skis (Henrik obviously right there but doing completely different tricks with different flavor). While he may not be doing crazy swap combos and catering to that type of technicality, he literally pulled out a never-been-done every other shot of the edit, all in a completely different direction than anyone else in the contest. LJ's edit was insane, I watched the attempt video, and I thought he deserved silver. Just hard for me to see how his edit had more of a wow factor than Magnus's.
Magnus did nothing for me and wouldn't have but him in the top 3
Sue me,
Sue me,
AndrewGravesSV
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13792574:Bushdid9_11 said:
I hate when people make the argument that the bunch suck at skiing just because they're pushing it in a different direction. These guys are all incredibly good skiers park and urban. Do you really think they got noticed purely off being weird? They're all extremely talented and it just so happens that a lot of the stuff they do is pretty nuanced right now. That doesn't mean they're still crazy good technical skiers. Check Magnus' part in less, Tabadique, and the video I've linked among others and tell me that Magnus is an am who can't do well conventionally skiing.
I agree some of the underbonks and shit is whack and easy for the average skier to pull off but such is the price to pay for innovation. What does happen is among the underbonks and average stuff is incredible skiers changing the game. Innovating is really fucking hard which is why not many can do it.
To add to that, if the stuff Magnus and co are doing is easily replicated then why aren't a lot of people doing it? It's cause it's really fucking hard to flex your skis that way. Go out and try to nollie or nose butter and film it. See if you're anywhere near the fluidity or flex they're on. An extra spin or 10 feet of rail is easily quantifiable but an inch or so of flex is not.
I think LJ should've had 2nd and Henrik third but it was super close so I'm happy with it. I think it says something that the judges were unanimous in their decision and people doubting their credentials need to pull their head out of their asses. Are you really going to say you have a better understanding of urban skiing than Ahmet?
https://vimeo.com/79352681/recommended
AndrewGravesSV
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13792550:KingTaco said:
Yeah cause like fuck Ahmet and Vinny right?
Vinny won x games big air two years ago for fucks sake and Ahmet can and has skied anything under the sun.
[VIDEO]https://vimeo.com/79205280[/VIDEO]
M.M
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13792353:Kevski said:
This exactly. In my opinion any of the real ski athletes or any pro could have done all Lj's tricks if they had the balls and took enough attempts.
but I guarantee if you put the same skiers in front of the features Magnus hit before seeing his edit, none would even hit them in a similar way. Then if they tried to replicate his tricks they would look like absolute jabroni's for the most part.
the guy didn't even build lips for the majority like who does that. Nobody, that's why he came out on top. He completely separated himself from the rest, which is where Lj fell short, if he had done that, no doubt he'd be on top.
jakeordie
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Given who's on the judging panel, I don't feel like we are qualified to question their decision.....rather, I feel like we should question our own preferences and prejudices in light of their decision.
Some of us ski park but not urban. Some of us ski urban way more than park. Some of us used to ski, some of us have never skied. Different ways of seeing the street will appeal to different viewers.
I like that the judges' call puts the focus back on the activity itself more than the image. For awhile now, it seems that the skiing industry has used the image of urban without actually promoting participation.
The Bunch are changing that, changing the idea that you need resorts and need terrain parks and need $$$ to do what you wanna do on skis. Street skiing is now less an alternative to park, and more a revolution of who can do this and what they're gonna do.
It's a lot like what skateboarding did in the late '80s, where vert ruled and dudes like Gonz and Natas were challenging the status quo in their industry. At the time, the idea that vert was gonna die and street would become the predominant style of skating would've been ludacris IT'S NOT AN ILLUSION WE RUNNIN' THE STREETS.
Some of us ski park but not urban. Some of us ski urban way more than park. Some of us used to ski, some of us have never skied. Different ways of seeing the street will appeal to different viewers.
I like that the judges' call puts the focus back on the activity itself more than the image. For awhile now, it seems that the skiing industry has used the image of urban without actually promoting participation.
The Bunch are changing that, changing the idea that you need resorts and need terrain parks and need $$$ to do what you wanna do on skis. Street skiing is now less an alternative to park, and more a revolution of who can do this and what they're gonna do.
It's a lot like what skateboarding did in the late '80s, where vert ruled and dudes like Gonz and Natas were challenging the status quo in their industry. At the time, the idea that vert was gonna die and street would become the predominant style of skating would've been ludacris IT'S NOT AN ILLUSION WE RUNNIN' THE STREETS.
AGOF
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13792639:jakeordie said:
Yeah but park is a necessary first step to urban. I mean I guess you could go learn to hit rails by building a down rail in the streets but most people getting into the sport aren't looking for the risk factor as well as trying to keep gear in decent shape. Plus you just can't learn you to properly use your edges or initiate turns in the street, so acting like urban is a sport apart from park skiing is pretty absurd (unless done like the stept crew did it, where that was literally all they skied)
neleson
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I think LJ and magnus were quite equal. LJ did some crazy shit and magnus did some things that I still think only wizards can do. Anyone can say "oh i could have done every trick LJ did" I still think with most people they couldnt. That backflip on to the pole for example is just crazy and i think needs a lot more skill to do than people think. LJ is anyway an awesome rail skier and can do techincal stuff also (Atleast I think so). Does it mean someone is worse if they decide to fill an edit with crazy stuff that needs many attempts. Magnus and LJ took i think quite a different style to the edits and they were both sick both of them could have won. (and lets not forget harlaut here). I just dont see why people have to react so strongly to this and say LJ was somehow worse. I think everything doesnt have to be techincal af. Both were sick edits tho.
Tent
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Can't we all just get along? Magnus won, LJ got 3rd. Noting about that can be changed. Judges did their jobs and were selected as judges because of their high level of ski-knowledge, hence why they didn't select a bunch of random NSers as judges...
There is still the fan vote, where I am almost sure LJ will take the win! Lets all just focus on the good part of all the videos - skiing!
There is still the fan vote, where I am almost sure LJ will take the win! Lets all just focus on the good part of all the videos - skiing!
Tremblantskier
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Fan favourite vindication?
skiguy04
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Nollie ftw... its all you have to do to be a champion these days
sure there were some big tricks and technical tricks but unless you nollie 65% of the time you're gonna end up with bronze
For the people who think long rail slides should be the deciding factor for victory, you actually don't know anything about skiing. To the outside eye skiers look like dildos with planks on the feet when performing slide maneuvers
Skiing has LITERALLY the easiest grinds in any sport out there!! This is a fact!!
Simply put, grinding on skis is stupid easy and requires ZERO skill and ZERO steeze
sure there were some big tricks and technical tricks but unless you nollie 65% of the time you're gonna end up with bronze
For the people who think long rail slides should be the deciding factor for victory, you actually don't know anything about skiing. To the outside eye skiers look like dildos with planks on the feet when performing slide maneuvers
Skiing has LITERALLY the easiest grinds in any sport out there!! This is a fact!!
Simply put, grinding on skis is stupid easy and requires ZERO skill and ZERO steeze
AndrewGravesSV
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13792712:KingTaco said:
Do you know what unanimous means?
OregonDead
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Coolest thing about this is I actually saw the results on broadcast TV. Using an antenna too. Wife yells hey you probably want to see this ski thing and what do you know there is eheath on screen wearing a NS shirt.
So I didn't have time to read the whole thread but all the edits where insane and I don't think anyone can claim robbery. Very different and all the best at what they are throwing down. The judges acknowledged this too. I did read where OP mentioned the crazy drop Magnus did and yeah that is insane. LJ still got props for being the Fan Favorite.
Anyways all these edits were fire and some of the best skiers on film so I highly recommend watching them all.
So I didn't have time to read the whole thread but all the edits where insane and I don't think anyone can claim robbery. Very different and all the best at what they are throwing down. The judges acknowledged this too. I did read where OP mentioned the crazy drop Magnus did and yeah that is insane. LJ still got props for being the Fan Favorite.
Anyways all these edits were fire and some of the best skiers on film so I highly recommend watching them all.
jakeordie
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One thing I noticed about Magnus' edit after watching it hella times, is the way it's shot doesn't emphasize how big some of the tricks are. There's 2 tricks near the end where he has red pants on, both clips don't have a 2nd angle and the 1st angle focuses on the tech aspect of the trick not the gnar.
Even the last trick, there's one up close angle and one long shot but neither angle makes the trick look as big as possible. I can understand how dudes who actually ski urban would get the gnar aspect of these tricks without needing to see that perspective.
Even the last trick, there's one up close angle and one long shot but neither angle makes the trick look as big as possible. I can understand how dudes who actually ski urban would get the gnar aspect of these tricks without needing to see that perspective.
KingTaco
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13792742:AndrewGravesSV said:
Yeah it means you're a hardo looking for an argument.
Fact of the matter is it's easy to see how 3/5 judges voted for Magnus. Then take Vinny whose innovative style most similarly leans toward Magnus' innovative style and you have 4/5. How Ahmet could have possibly voted for Magnus I have no idea. Possibly a conflict of interest having grown up on the East and skiing with LJ? Or more likely got swayed toward that stance by an already 4/5 judges leaning toward Magnus.
I simply personally dont agree with the final decision. And I also consider myself an authority on the subject having hit tons of urban, and also personally being able to produce both styles within my own skiing.
These are opinions and clearly there is a strong divide along the two contrasting styles. At the end of the day I respect the fuck out of LJs segment and consider it one of, if not the heaviest urban parts of all time. If you saw the same thing, and somehow rationalize Magnus winning then you need to rethink how a competition is won. If you didn't see the same thing, then I definitely can't agree with you, but thats OK because no matter how much evidence there is in either direction, it will be a subjective matter.
danej
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regardless of results, i'm wondering what type of skiing xgames realski aims to showcase. Are edits judged more on tech and difficulty or progressiveness and creativity? and what does that suggest about the way skiing is shifting? IN MY OPINION, I believe LJ had an impressive mix of fucked tech tricks and creativity and deserved the win. Seems as if the general ski community who viewed the edits and the NS community would agree. However, the (6?) judges cast Magnus as the winner. I just wanna know what the aspects and degrees of those aspects the judges based their opinion on.
Also, I believe the fan favorite winner is more impressive than the judges final vote because it better represents the ski community than some judges in a room do.
Also, I believe the fan favorite winner is more impressive than the judges final vote because it better represents the ski community than some judges in a room do.
VT_scratch
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well, voters pick is in and I guess it's fair to say that the majority of people who watched these agree with OP!
congrats to all participants, haven't been this excited watching edits in a couple years.
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congrats to all participants, haven't been this excited watching edits in a couple years.
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