i nutted myself so hard doing a lipside onto a down bar, urban, this week, but it was because the bar swayed about a foot side to side, haha i landed with my front ski down first pushed the bar out from under me then ended up opening up, then my skis crossed around a post holding the rail up....bad times. But i find it easier to lip 270 onto down bars than normal 270...idk why put i alwys nut myself doing normal 270s