Who of you that speaks out against the line bindings has hurt yourself while riding them? Since the bindings are a safety devise and really nothing more, shouldnt the most important factor when buying a binding be safety? And therefor a bidning that releases in situations when others cannot be a binding that is more desireable? Honestly right now i think alot of people dont even consider reactors because of the unfair rep they have given for being an unreliable and cheaply made binding. Yeah the materials in the binding could be toughened up, however they arent at the point now where the quality of them brings into a question of safety(This is the argument many have given and not in one of the 'i broke my reactor' posts has there been word of an injury). I challenge anyone to find a safer and more inovative system on the market than line is pushing and supporting so heavily with their warranty. I definately accept peoples opinions that like the looks/rossis and say they are a beter overall binding, which may very well be true...its just the magniutude of people speaking out against the reactors without an argument that puts them in a different category than any other companies binding on the market that is really getting old. If you own line skis, and if your body fits in your car door (minivans excluded) id buy the reactors. If you don't own line skis, I'd buy rossi or looks.
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skihillraod
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It seems the line pro team riders disagree, those that still ride for line have been caught at one time or another riding salo or look every single rider so maybe that is a good indicator. Even skogen, dash and the hard core guys that were with line since the beginning, all in print ads or video (recent too) without the reactor. And then wilson, skogen and numerous others leaving for 'unstated reasons'
Actually I am sure you know more than pro skiers, you sound like a rep who hasn't filled nearly his quota for bindings. The bottom line is they are rediculously priced for what they are.
I got my p12 for 100 dollars and my p14 for FREE after a pro tossed em cause the lifter plates cracked and toe piece was missing the wings. I picked them up (just for parts at first) and brought them in for warranty booooo ya.
Both bindings have more than 100 days each and have about 5 years of life left in them. Both my knees are fine and I fall more than anyone. The only line product I will ever buy is designed by eric pollard, and they will have p14/fks120/zr12 on them. You know the binding company that originally came up with this idea and used it since the 1970's, before leventhal borrowed it for his own inpiration.
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Actually I am sure you know more than pro skiers, you sound like a rep who hasn't filled nearly his quota for bindings. The bottom line is they are rediculously priced for what they are.
I got my p12 for 100 dollars and my p14 for FREE after a pro tossed em cause the lifter plates cracked and toe piece was missing the wings. I picked them up (just for parts at first) and brought them in for warranty booooo ya.
Both bindings have more than 100 days each and have about 5 years of life left in them. Both my knees are fine and I fall more than anyone. The only line product I will ever buy is designed by eric pollard, and they will have p14/fks120/zr12 on them. You know the binding company that originally came up with this idea and used it since the 1970's, before leventhal borrowed it for his own inpiration.
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skihillraod
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Sorry for the double post I am real whore tonight.
WHY THE FUCK are they so heavy if they are made out of shit?
They also sell their own factory seconds for discounted prices with no warranties and no exchanges, and you can only buy them direct so you can't bitch to their retialers, resulting in older shops not wanting to carry line any longer or never pick them up period.
Jibij is the only shop I know that hasn't sent their entire lot back.
I can't believe jason tried again after quality control and FORIEGN FACTORIES with sars took em out.
Looks aren't an american brand, but they are made and distributed here, designed in france. but I am sure as fuck they aren't made in china singapore or whatever the fuck where all they could ever product test on is rice paddies.
Eric pollard kicks ass dash long is my favorite skier of all time besieds that line should focus on skiboards.
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WHY THE FUCK are they so heavy if they are made out of shit?
They also sell their own factory seconds for discounted prices with no warranties and no exchanges, and you can only buy them direct so you can't bitch to their retialers, resulting in older shops not wanting to carry line any longer or never pick them up period.
Jibij is the only shop I know that hasn't sent their entire lot back.
I can't believe jason tried again after quality control and FORIEGN FACTORIES with sars took em out.
Looks aren't an american brand, but they are made and distributed here, designed in france. but I am sure as fuck they aren't made in china singapore or whatever the fuck where all they could ever product test on is rice paddies.
Eric pollard kicks ass dash long is my favorite skier of all time besieds that line should focus on skiboards.
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acc
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they're a good binding for the average recreational skier...
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They are heavy because of the plate, its actualy one of the lighter demo track type bindings, however if youve riden the lines youd know that the weight of the binding feels like nothing when its on your feet. Also im not disagreeing that the look bindings are great bindings, and that i will continue to use them aswell as the reactors, i havent hurt myself in any pivot series binding either. I just think that for most people on this site the reactor is definately a viable option for 90% of skiers and the only real argument against it is the pricepoint (which now you can actualy find for a price compareable to p12s).
mountainguy
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I like the binding, despite having broken four pairs this season. The rep and my shop have been totally cool and have replaced them sameday everytime. They do release really well, almost too well. Last week we had some really heavy powder and the bindings were dumping me left and right and both heel and pivogy plate are on 10 already. Time for more din I guess.
The downside is that unless you live near a really cool shop or have a great rep in your area, i would not recommend the reactors because of the likelyhood that they will need to be replaced.
The downside is that unless you live near a really cool shop or have a great rep in your area, i would not recommend the reactors because of the likelyhood that they will need to be replaced.
weenox
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first of all jck, whoever said line should stick to making skiboards is a fuckin idiot. Newschool skiing would DEFINATELY not be where it is today if line just stuck to making skiboards, you cant argue that.
Secondly, if you have something against products made in China, i guess you should never buy a pair of K2's again, as they are made in China and are one of if not the best ski companies out there. I've said this before, but you cant give someone materials and say 'make me skis'. You have to train them. What the fuck is the difference between training someone who is Chinese and someone who is AMerican? is it the education? if someone has a college education, i dont think they would be working in a factory making skis, no offense to anyone who is.
Thirdly, yes they are a little bit more expensive than other bindings. But your price comparisons make no sense whatsoever. Im sure if I looked hard enough, I could find someone who is selling their reactors for cheaper than retail too. And if I looked hard enough, maybe I could find some reactors that broke and I could warranty them. So by saying that reactors are expensive and then stating how you got insane deals on your look bindings, you are just proving that instead of buying them at retail price you found someone that didn’t want them and was looking to get rid of them. I got my tecnica Diablo fire boots for $350 american from someone on NS. Does that mean that they are cheaper than 1080 boots?
Again, the weight debate is getting VERY old. I have ridden the reactors, and yes the binding is very heavy to carry around when your hiking or walking to the hill. However, when you are riding, the binding actually feels a little bit lighter than some other bindings. Almost ALL of the weight is underfoot, so unless your like 10 the weight isn’t a problem at all.
If you consider metal shit, then yes, they are made of shit.
Lastly, if you buy the bindings, go read the damn line website. YOU NEED TO HAVE A LINE CERTIFIED SHOP SET UP YOUR BINDINGS FOR YOU. If you are ripping toe pieces off, you probably haven’t set the toe height correctly. And luckily, Line is a chill company and still warranties your bindings, even though you are a moron and cant follow simple directions.
So before you diss the Line Bindings, I would suggest giving a pair a try, getting them mounted the same way you would mount any other binding (obviously without drilling into the ski, but using the quickmounts) AT A SHOP. Sure, they have some problems, but what bindings don’t? I myself ride a pair of p12’s and I love them, but I’ve bruised my ass numerous times on the damn dildo.
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Secondly, if you have something against products made in China, i guess you should never buy a pair of K2's again, as they are made in China and are one of if not the best ski companies out there. I've said this before, but you cant give someone materials and say 'make me skis'. You have to train them. What the fuck is the difference between training someone who is Chinese and someone who is AMerican? is it the education? if someone has a college education, i dont think they would be working in a factory making skis, no offense to anyone who is.
Thirdly, yes they are a little bit more expensive than other bindings. But your price comparisons make no sense whatsoever. Im sure if I looked hard enough, I could find someone who is selling their reactors for cheaper than retail too. And if I looked hard enough, maybe I could find some reactors that broke and I could warranty them. So by saying that reactors are expensive and then stating how you got insane deals on your look bindings, you are just proving that instead of buying them at retail price you found someone that didn’t want them and was looking to get rid of them. I got my tecnica Diablo fire boots for $350 american from someone on NS. Does that mean that they are cheaper than 1080 boots?
Again, the weight debate is getting VERY old. I have ridden the reactors, and yes the binding is very heavy to carry around when your hiking or walking to the hill. However, when you are riding, the binding actually feels a little bit lighter than some other bindings. Almost ALL of the weight is underfoot, so unless your like 10 the weight isn’t a problem at all.
If you consider metal shit, then yes, they are made of shit.
Lastly, if you buy the bindings, go read the damn line website. YOU NEED TO HAVE A LINE CERTIFIED SHOP SET UP YOUR BINDINGS FOR YOU. If you are ripping toe pieces off, you probably haven’t set the toe height correctly. And luckily, Line is a chill company and still warranties your bindings, even though you are a moron and cant follow simple directions.
So before you diss the Line Bindings, I would suggest giving a pair a try, getting them mounted the same way you would mount any other binding (obviously without drilling into the ski, but using the quickmounts) AT A SHOP. Sure, they have some problems, but what bindings don’t? I myself ride a pair of p12’s and I love them, but I’ve bruised my ass numerous times on the damn dildo.
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The reactor is the future. That is my hope. I think they can pull it off with a few adjustments and some minor redesign... the system works better than any binding out there, and durability is the only factor. Durability can be improved a lot more easily than a weak binding system. We're talking about changing the way bindings operate, of course it's going to take a while to work out some of the issues. In the meantime, warrantee them if they break. So stop hating on line for this one, they're doing everyone a favour by even attempting this. If you don't want to ride them, don't... I ride 2 pairs of axial itch heels and a salo team, myself... but please, stop whining about products which, given your attitude, you obviously will never buy.
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Huckasorass
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^that being said, why have bindings you'd be affraid to take on a weak long trip because if they break on day one, you have to rent for 5 days. You guys would have points if they gave them away... but they are THE most $$$$$!
^I took a 3 day trip last season and broke my axials on the first RUN, let alone the first day. It happens. The point, anyways, was that the people who don't want to buy reactors are always the ones complaining about them most. If you don't want to buy them, fine... don't. Don't complain about them, though. It makes no sense.
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ECfreeski3
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it doesnt make sense to complain about them? why shouldnt i or anyone have the right to complain after the shitty bindings broke on them?
i also feel sorry for anyone who wastes money on them.
but i do agree with you, JD. its a great concept, and theres potential, but they need to get their shit together and fix the durability of them before they start charging 250 bucks for them. this is the kind of shit that should be fixed LONG before they go on the market.
and the weight isnt a big concern at all, its just ironic that theyre so damn heavy, yet theyre still so fragile. tons of people on here say they love the binding, although theyve broken them 3 times. so the general consensus is what i said above, great idea, terrible construction/durability.
the bottom line is i dont trust these bindings at all.
i also feel sorry for anyone who wastes money on them.
but i do agree with you, JD. its a great concept, and theres potential, but they need to get their shit together and fix the durability of them before they start charging 250 bucks for them. this is the kind of shit that should be fixed LONG before they go on the market.
and the weight isnt a big concern at all, its just ironic that theyre so damn heavy, yet theyre still so fragile. tons of people on here say they love the binding, although theyve broken them 3 times. so the general consensus is what i said above, great idea, terrible construction/durability.
the bottom line is i dont trust these bindings at all.
jck, your argument about the Line team is pretty stupid. All the images you've seen of the athletes were from last year, when they had contracts to finish out with other companies bindings. All the Line team is on the binding now. Just wait until next years movies come out, then you will see. Check out the Line dealer catalog for next year. They are all throwing down on the binding. Wilson left because he didn't feel 'safe' on the binding. Then he had a knee injury at the US Open using a salomon binding. Guess who's team hasn't had any knee injuries...that's right, the Line team.
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Huckasorass
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^Wilson left the Team cause he didn't like the bindings??? huh
I was just thinking. They should revamp the Reactor. Offer the binding in specific sizes. S,M,L,XL. This would allow them to use a much shorter track in the smaller sizes, allowing them to cut down on materials and in turn the overall weight of the binding.
Just a thought, I'm sure I could polish the idea up a bit if they were interested.
Just a thought, I'm sure I could polish the idea up a bit if they were interested.
ECfreeski3
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^^wow.
eLevate
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^^^REAL sick idea. too bad i have size 11 1/2 feet, or id pick me up a small pair. I agree with whoever at the top said line supports the sport, and backs their stuff. damn straight. Ive broken 2 pairs of reactors, and promptly had them warrenteed, no hassle. I almost would continue to ride them if that was the only thing about them. The reactors are damn safe. Admit it, they are. Id rather have a safe binding, that weighs a bit more than a less safe binding anyday. wouldnt you? are you more worried about weight than about your acls? This is also one of lines first attempts at a binding, so im not surprised they dont have it right. Im sure it too look, and salomon more than one try to get a binding right, we just werent there to see it. as someone above said, the concept is sound. The materials, and implementation can always be approved on. The weight also isnt that big of an issue. Its underfoot. What are you, weak? Carring them sucks. True, but you dont even notice it riding them. they feel almost as light as my s912s, and it doesnt affect swing weight at all.
BOTTOM LINE: If line supports the product, which they obviously do, and if its a good concept, which it is, ill continue to ride them. Maybe i wouldnt go buy six pairs of them, one for each of my skis, but ill ride them for sure. We'll see about next years reactor.
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BOTTOM LINE: If line supports the product, which they obviously do, and if its a good concept, which it is, ill continue to ride them. Maybe i wouldnt go buy six pairs of them, one for each of my skis, but ill ride them for sure. We'll see about next years reactor.
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Huckasorass
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you guys that get a hard on because a company 'keeps replacing them... Everytime they BREAK!!!' make me laugh
salo_1080
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skiing wouldnt be where it is today without line. i love their skis but their bindings do suck. i was ridin with a friend and it was his first time on em and he is super small and we were doin some 1's and he landed and his binding slide forward causing him to eat shit.i think by next season line will have the reactors up to running speeds and kickin ass but for now i wouldnt go with em
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brooklin_boy
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All that I can say is anyone who's seen me fall at Dagmar over the course of the winter knows these bindings are tough shit. I've full on smashed these things on box's, ice, people, myself, you name it, and I've hit it. So far other than a scuff on one of them and my binding self-adjusting toe piece after one fall (happened only the once), they haven't done anything wrong...
P.S. I'll be at Dagmar this sunday if you need 'in person' confirmation.
P.S. I'll be at Dagmar this sunday if you need 'in person' confirmation.
guddgulf17
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interesting. the reactor will release you by blowing up, we really should explore this new release system. i am waiting for someone who is injuried when their binding falls apart when they need them to stay on. there is a reason why din is supposed to work, and the din settings between my reactors and rossis dont even compare. mine broke when i was clicking in for the first time,and i honestly cant trust them. i cant be worrying about whether or not my bindings will fall off when i am learning something new and possibly dangerous.(like cork 5s for instance), i can definitly figure out a way to screw up,and every advantage i can get.
And get this, on the news the other day they did a big story about old people dropping dead from heat exhaustion. They urged my community to donate fans to keep them alive!! Tell you what, I'll donate my pubes to shove in their mouths, but I'll be damned if I donate anything electrical or useful. - random net person that i found on a site shown to me by apple
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And get this, on the news the other day they did a big story about old people dropping dead from heat exhaustion. They urged my community to donate fans to keep them alive!! Tell you what, I'll donate my pubes to shove in their mouths, but I'll be damned if I donate anything electrical or useful. - random net person that i found on a site shown to me by apple
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ski_rossi05
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first off i have to say, u guys like to type second, bindings r bindings who cares.
Huckasorass
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^haha hike 2 miles down a mountain dragging your skis and see who cares
Switchstyle
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most people complain about the binding when really it is probably the set up which was shitty. Im planning on getting next years reactors and I can't wait to try that shit out.
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