LINE BINDING UPDATE

JLev

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Hey Everyone,

I hope you're enjoying your summer. Below is a press release updating everyone on the status of the Line binding. We've sent it out to everyone in the industry and thought it would be best to also include you. All in all, it's simply taking a lot longer to set up and solidfy all the manufacturing than expected. Especially with some of the pretty out of the ordinary circumstances we've run into making it even more difficult/impossible to deliver the binding this fall (3 months from now). Please read the facts below.

Thanks for supporting skiing's progression,

Jason Levinthal

Line Forced to Delay Binding Introduction Due to Supplier Constraints

Line Skis, LLC, will not be delivering its alpine binding to its customers for the 03-04 season. This is, of course, a painful decision, but is necessary due to two unforeseen factors: the withdrawal of Victor Plastics, Line’s binding manufacturer, from its China operations; and the onset of the SARS epidemic in China.

Line hired Victor Plastics, a well-known contract manufacturer, specializing in injection molding, to manage all aspects of its Reactor binding manufacturing. Victor is an experienced and respected manufacturer of products and parts for the snow sports industry as well as parts and sub-assemblies for many Fortune 500 companies.

In early November, Jim Kuba, Victor’s president, owner and founder, died unexpectedly. This caused Victor to immediately recall its key managers from China to deal with the aftermath. Thereafter, Line was informed that the heirs to Victor decided to discontinue Chinese manufacturing operations. At this point, Victor informed Line and other clients that it would no longer be responsible for all management, sourcing, and manufacturing of its products in China. This event occurred at a critical juncture, significantly delaying delivery of last year’s product.

Early this spring, Line quickly made the necessary arrangements to switch to another experienced contract manufacturer in the region. However, this move was soon complicated by the outbreak and spread of SARS in the Guandong region, where the majority of contract manufacturers are located. The SARS epidemic has had the unfortunate result of effectively denying the company’s engineering and product management departments access to the province and the opportunity to work efficiently with its new supplier. As of early April, the State Department issued a travel advisory to the region because of the deadly disease. The SARS situation still remains critical in China.

No doubt, to not deliver a binding this fall is a difficult decision for Line. However, according to Jason, “Our booking orders totaled an impressive one-to-one ratio of bindings to skis for this season. It was obvious that the product was well received and the benefits of PivogyTM and QuickmountTM were gaining traction with the consumers and retailers. This imposed delay obviously is a major disappointment; however, the decision to simply call off delivery before the season begins, instead of relying on a best case scenario to deliver on time is without question the responsible action to take at this time. This decision is based on the best interest of the Line brand and everyone in our chain of distribution, right down to the end consumer in mind.”

For the ‘03-’04 season Line will continue to offer its diverse line of high performance, high profile Freestyle, Freeride and All-Mountain skis. All of Line’s sales and marketing efforts will be focused on these skis using its strong, one-of-a kind, aggressive, young and aspiring brand image. Over the past eight years, Line has used this image and product direction to pave the way for the current rejuvination of the youth-driven alpine market. In the meantime, Line’s binding product management group is continuing to work full speed ahead on establishing production-ready, on-snow samples and delivery of product for the future.

In Jason’s words, “I want to thank everyone who reminds us daily that we are part of a great industry, and Line appreciates the unwavering support you’ve all demonstrated to us during our company’s youth. When the binding is ready, I believe everyone in our chain of distribution will be anxious to continue the challenging and rewarding experience of bringing a ground-breaking new product to market. Until then, I believe the decision we’ve made is the most responsible, and the right one to make at this time.”

 
thanks...

-Nick Iwanyhsyn

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'Ski for yourself, do what you want and fuck everyone else'

SFHNC 400/2000

 
sure... the reason isn't because the bindings isn't really ready huh

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SRMC

SFHNC 0/2000

 
sure... the reason isn't because the bindings isn't really ready huh

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SRMC

SFHNC 0/2000

 
am i the only one that thinks this excuse is a cover up for the binding not working correctly/safely. and not being ready for use

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SRMC

SFHNC 0/2000

 
i also think they bindings sucks, weighs a ton, breaks, and is overall a giant piece of shit. the binding is more dangerous than safe. i just dont think anyone wants to say what they want because JAY LEV came on here personally.

fuck that shit.

~Jonny

Your signature has been changed to: (trust me, the '' things aren't actually there)

Strate up geto shiet.

 
ya i know sounds like you guys are trying to blame sars when in fact its just the fact that line put out a huge piece of shit thats why its not out for the 2003 season

 
jay lev please come on here and admit how much of a piece of shit that binding was last year and how much you will improve it. it will make you alot of friends.

~Jonny

Your signature has been changed to: (trust me, the '' things aren't actually there)

Strate up geto shiet.

 
i agree with amanda. what a bunch of bullshit that whole thing is. the binding is a piece of crap, it needs work and lots of it. instead of lying about it they should just be upfront and say hey listen, we made a shitty binding and we know it. now we are going to fix it. jay is a pussy and i used to really be loyal to Line but im just not so sure anymore, and this just tops it off.

peace,paul

'Evan Raps may say it one way,Olsen may say it the other, and your crazy one-eyed Uncle Fred the janitor may say something completely different.

What makes any person right?'

-ghostdragon

'is mike nick and mike wilson the same people?'

-//d-lite//

 
Boy, some of you guys sure aren't supporting the guys who support your sport. Line, like a lot of companies throw down unlimited amounts of money and support to newschooling and some of you are just accusing them of lying.

They aren't gonna make the cut for next year, that's prolly all we need to know. Least he's coming out and saying it.

My two cents,

-M-

 
yea i agree. i used to be a real line hardcore rider. course, then their skis just started shitting out on me. got real soft, and then they delammed. so then i turned away to dyanstar. and yea id have to say Line is making headway, and I'd also say that Line is making headway in big steps. Yea, I've checked out the binding and its heavier than even a Look Racing binding with platforms. My Advice, give Line some time, they'll sort it out, and at least give props to Jay for coming out and letting us know about the bindings future.

-AndrewP

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East Coast - 'Bitch Please, Ride with Steeze'

COC - Session C

HOWARD DEAN FOR PRESIDENT.
 
^^^True True^^^

Imagine the money and head acks all that bullshit must have put Jay thru,

that shit isn't even in his control, so the binding's need some work, okay that s understandable,

but for all you haters out there, why dont you go buy some Solomons, because they are the true fuckne leaders of our sport right?

'I'm still Ugly'
 
If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.

I think what LINE is doing is awesome, no other companies are taking a RISK to help progress skiing. LINE didn't have to make an out-of-the-ordinary binding but they had the hopes in it and put out the time and money to work with the inventors and manufacturers to develop a binding that will save people's knees for years.

The first bindings that came out, as I've heard, aren't all they've said to be. But don't forget, it was the first year the binding was out on the market. Sorry to say a cliche, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

I think if all you guys are gonna do is dis LINE because you think you're too cool for a company that you all of a sudden don't like, then fuck off. Don't reply, it's not your duty to post shit on ns.com, maybe you could even go outside or something.

I support LINE and everything they're doing and I'm going to continue to support them when I buy new skis this fall.

Cheers to LINE (hits pop can on monitor)

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gethyped.net | gethyped.net | gethyped.net

'you said you didn't mind my velcro shoes... :( does this mean your gona break up with me?'

- ductapeboy

'fold yourself up and give yourself head,i havet left the house for 3 weeks'

- Lateralis
 
'if you dont have something nice to say dont say anything at all'

your on the wrong website douche. i would have so much respect for jay if he came on here and said hey guys look, the binding sucked major ass. it was so bad nobody on our own team wanted to ride them. but hey listen give us a few years and we will make the best damn binding the sport has seen.

that would take my view of line and send it in a complete 180. it would take so much to say that, but its true so its possible.

get back on here jay.

-J-unit

shine so bright when i walk by, ya gotta squint like da muthafukin son in ya eye.
 
he said the binding to ski ratio was 1-1. I've seen 2003 lines without the line binding. That means that some people bought more than 1 binding for 1 pair of skis? I'm sure it would be pretty tough to build a totally revolutionary binding and have no flaws in it the first year. In a few years it'll be sweet. I hope.

FARP Trailer

'Simply put, the greatest trailer ever'- Resnick13

FARP Forum

www.FARP.tk
 
smuggs, i was joking with what you just quoted. shit.

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gethyped.net | gethyped.net | gethyped.net

'you said you didn't mind my velcro shoes... :( does this mean your gona break up with me?'

- ductapeboy

'fold yourself up and give yourself head,i havet left the house for 3 weeks'

- Lateralis
 
'For the ‘03-’04 season Line will continue to offer its diverse line of high performance, high profile Freestyle, Freeride and All-Mountain skis.'

Does anyone remember a couple of months ago when Jason came on here and and told everyone that they weren't making regular carving skis? I guess they changed their mind on that one.

'You're fat cause you want to be'
 
line is doing more for the sport than YOU guys are, sitting on a comps ripping up a binding...jeez

2 Inchers Club

I Miss My Friends...But my Aim is Improving
 
dr phil i believe when jay said that, he was referring to the darkside which is an all mountain ski. the carving skis are coming out anyways though which is strange cuz jay said he wasnt putting them out. only time will tell. and smuggs i agree with you 100%.

-paul

'Evan Raps may say it one way,Olsen may say it the other, and your crazy one-eyed Uncle Fred the janitor may say something completely different.

What makes any person right?'

-ghostdragon

'is mike nick and mike wilson the same people?'

-//d-lite//

 
whoever is 2 posts above me, WORD

the binding WASN'T terrible. It had some issues that needed to be worked out. However, it was rideable, and safer than most bindings (some pair were, some pair, like mine, released prematurely)

I'm still supporting Line, I don't really care what they do about the bindings. They are a core company, whether they make bindings that need work, women's carving skis, or all mountain non-twins. they are core.

Brody

i wont drop out of high school for skiing, mom

 
i still have mad respect for Line and i still will ride there skis and when the binding comes out and is safe i will buy the binding and new skis... yes they had some problems with the binding but this binding concept is completely new... do you think the first releasable binding was really great... and had no flaws, fuck no, i still support line and i can see how some of you guys say they are lying but i dont believe they are thats my 2 cents

-Nate

whos in da house, SACA is in the house!!! hahahahmuhahahah
 
smuggs isn't a dick. he understands whats going on too. yes line is good for our sport, but why lie to your loyal customers. tell them the friggen truth instead of coming up with excuses.

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SRMC

SFHNC 0/2000

 
lying indeed. I don't know about the binding situation but Jay came on here saying they weren't making those carving skis but they are in this year's product catalogue.

djxtreme: I'm wondering what your definition of a 'core' company is.

'You're fat cause you want to be'
 
so you think that he just made up that victor plastics pulling out of china as a coverup? Youre retarded. He never said anything about his bindings being amazing and as brody said they arent that bad. The article says they are still working on the bindings too. About the carving skis I believe Jay said he wasnt going to use the graphics that were shown on that site not scrap the carving skis.

FARP Trailer

'Simply put, the greatest trailer ever'- Resnick13

FARP Forum

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yes but he said they were not being put out just because of that. that's bullshit. they could bring them somewhere else to be made. he should just come out and say the binding isn't ready.

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SRMC

SFHNC 0/2000

 
welcome to yesterdays news, all of a sudden everyones yelling at him because he just adds more reasons to why the bindings aren't being sold. I'm sure the fact that they weren't perfect yet was one of them - but everyone already knows that.

- Mike

'i love your velcro shoes baby....you just look soo cute in them.....my little retard *hugs*' - Stacy to Dave Pauls
 
well back to my point, if jay comes on here and says hey the binding sucked ass just wait for it when its better it would clear up everything. who gives a shit if some chink died and now they cant make the plastics. that doesnt change the fact that this past season it was a piece of shit.

the 1-1 ratio on the bindings was every 1 binding sold one was given away on warranty.

all i have to say is remember in freeze, the add for the amazing reactor binding with mike nick doing some gay ass shit on some cement wall??? what bindings did he have on in that picture? LOOK PIVOTS.

he knows the binding sucks. just wont admit it.

-J-unit

shine so bright when i walk by, ya gotta squint like da muthafukin son in ya eye.
 
That thing sucked big time i skied on it so i can tell you from personal experience.

China SARS BULLSHIT

Marker is delivering on time

Tyrolia is delivering on time

Salomon is delivering on time

Rossi is delievering on time

Look has no problems

Atomic doesnt have these issues

Only line has these issues it would have been better of to tell the truth we dont have a lot of money are binding needs vast improvement and we dont want to release a sub par product.

 
fuck line all they do is pull out on things and change their mind. If I were karhu I'd tell em' to get the fuck outta the factory.

I Blame God.

You only have one liver, but you gots two lungs.
 
yo mike nick has pivots because look was his binding sponser way before Line even had a binding. why would he switch over from one of the best bindings on the market, to one of the most fickle bindings on the market? get it now?

and to support smuggs and soxripper. lemme break this down ok. we arent ripping on Line at all. Line is a decent company and they are doing the most they can for our sport right now and we all understand that and good for them. BUT, that doesnt make up for the fact that jay is probably lying about victor plastics pulling out of the deal and the SARS epedemic affecting thier release. like amanda said they could just have them made somewhere else. flat out lying on the most viewed forum in all of newschool history doesnt gain my repsect and shouldnt gain anybody elses either, cant you see that? truth gets repsect and what he really should say is, hey listen guys we have a great idea, something innovative that will change skiing. it needs work though and its gonna be a few seasons before we release the binding again, just so we can work out the kinks and make it safer and more durable for you guys. or something of that nature.

jay needs to just put his pride in the backseat for a few and stop trying to cover stuff up. just tell the truth. honestly people if jay had just said the binding isnt coming out next year becase it sucked and needs work etc. wouldnt you be like ok cool, thanxs jay for sticking with the binding and trying to improve a great idea? thats all i have to say about that.

peace,paul

'Evan Raps may say it one way,Olsen may say it the other, and your crazy one-eyed Uncle Fred the janitor may say something completely different.

What makes any person right?'

-ghostdragon

'is mike nick and mike wilson the same people?'

-//d-lite//

 
The line binding ad is a prime example of what Line seems to have been doing lately. Of course, Mike Nick has every right to ride Look Bindings but WHY would you use a photo of a skier not using your product in an ad for that product? It boggles my mind.

you can't spell sick without ck
 
What up. Let me start off by introducing myself. I don't intend to hide behind my screen name. This is Jordan Judd, I am the Rocky Mountains Sales Rep for Line. As such I have been involved with the development process of the binding since Dave Dodge brought it Jason. Regarding the bindings that hit the market last year, yes they weren't perfect, in fact several of my demos failed in one way or another. I don't think Jason is saying that last year's product was perfect and the only reason we're not delivering is because of the above mentioned reasons. They are not excuses, they are facts of life. Yes, the owner of Victor Plastics died in a freak accident late last year. And, no as the racist prick above said, he was not a 'chink', but an american who owned a manufacturing facility in China. His heirs then made a decision based on their judgements, not Jason's and certainley not yours. Further, if you don't believe that the Seceretary of State didn't issue a non-essential travel warning, go check CNN. All of these things factor greatly into our engineers going to China to fix the problems that have been so vigorously attacked on this forum. And yes, we are fixing them.

It also appears that several of you have been involved in manufacturing products with over 160 individual pieces overseas, and the logisitics and costs that are involved. Each mold for each piece costs tens of thousands of dollars, and cannot simply be moved to another factory. There is an immense ammount of logistics management involved in that process.

Overall, I believe the reason for the decision is to avoid what happened last year. Attempting to rush a product to retail that is not really ready. I believe none of you would appreciate paying for a product in the fall and waiting all year to maybe actually get it. Instead, Line intends to find a suitable manufacturer, and continue R&D until the product works.

I stand 100% behind the decision made by line to pull the plug this year, even though it significantly hurts my pocket book since I won't be getting paid on the bindings that I sold for delivery this fall, but overall I am willing to make the sacrifice for the future. I believe that in concept this new binding is great, it's just going to take a little more time.

In response to a few other comments that bothered me.

1.) We are not making carving skis next year. The skis in the dealer catalog were printed before we decided to pull the plug.

2.) Line athletes have not been on the binding because it hasn't really existed, not because they don't or didn't want to. That photo of Mike Nick was taken a year before any bindings even showed up in the U.S. It would be difficult to be on a product that just wasn't there.

3.) The 1-1 ratio is based on pre-season booking orders for this fall, not for what was sold last year.

4.) The binding is safe. It was passed by all applicable testing agencies. It could not have been delivered to the public without them. I have seen bindings from every manufacturer fail.

Lastly, I would just like to say that I may not be Jason, and it may not help, but I will be the first to say that our bindings weren't perfect. I don't think they sucked ass, but I know we still have a long ways to go. Line is working on it, and we're also going back to our roots. I think you will all be pleased to see with what Line will become in the next few years. In my opinion we got ahead of ourselves, and lost touch with who we are, but we're working hard to turn that around. Support Line because Line supports you.

Peace

 
hmmmmm..... im happy

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'thats when you smack them upside the head and say 'yo bitch,i know this aint tennis but im a use my backhand!'' - Lateralis
 
^ that is what i was waiting for someone to say.

instead of people saying that they are lying... we actuly have someone who knows whats up.

Officially Unable To Spell

MidWest Is The Shit

Fuck The Ghetto

 
^ haha

Thank you VERY much for that post. The last sentence sums it up.

No one who supports Line has any reason to stop. They ARE the sport and they are pushing it. Few other companies are SOLE twin tip freeride companies.

Everyone who thought they were just excuses had NOTHING to go off of..why listen to that?

Brody

i wont drop out of high school for skiing, mom

 
Why would you use a shot of an athlete on a product other than the one you're promoting?

you can't spell sick without ck
 
sure it sounds like an excuse to hold back the binding for the coming season, but that could actually be the truth. sure the binding suck badly, but the idea is a really good one. line is making carving skis because he need money to keep the company alive. just making ski for that 10%-approx.- of skiers probally won't be enough to support a company. line is really supporting the 'new school' movement and should not be hated.

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Not metaphorically, not symbolically, but in every minute of every day we, along with the rest of the world, create the world.

 
thanx j-squared. i apologize for saying Line is lying. i was just bein an ignorant son of a bitch and i was just pissed cuz it sounded so unrealistic. but see, you gave us other reasons and your reasons made sense. jay was just like, ohh some guy died and SARS is fucking us over basically. thanx for clearing up what he said again.

peace,paul

'Evan Raps may say it one way,Olsen may say it the other, and your crazy one-eyed Uncle Fred the janitor may say something completely different.

What makes any person right?'

-ghostdragon

'is mike nick and mike wilson the same people?'

-//d-lite//

 
thanks for the post.

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SRMC

SFHNC 0/2000

 
mm4twintips......i like how u used that little list there. Casue those are all companies that have been around making bindings for quite some time now so it seems like ur putting line in the wrong place becasue they have just started. Lets go back and look on the early dayz of all those other companys....they must have gotten it perfect first try huh?

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freestyler525 -> this a damn ski forum not the fucking 'gramatical spelling forum'

CalgaryJibber -> two M;s in grammatical

freestyler525 ->i had to admit that was pretty funny
 
that guy summed it up its over, line still rules

whos in da house, SACA is in the house!!! hahahahmuhahahah
 
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