Life without religion is 1000 times harder

Well Mr. thread-maker... I'm assuming you, like me, have been raised in a religion and have just recently started thinking for yourself about it. Up until now you've just taken everything they tell you, assumed it was the truth because you've never known different. Then there came a point where your mind started to question, and at first this questioning scared you, you wouldn't let it happen for fear of loosing faith, but that's a useless battle. Your mind will run free and think for itself. So now that you've realized that it's ridiculous to believe in the bullshit they pump you full of, you have a giant void. You have nothing to fall back on, you have nothing concrete, nothing to guide your actions, you have no belief.

So what do you do? Well instead of clinging to your bible, cling to yourself. Use that brain of yours for developing a system of morals or beliefs or guidelines that you wanna live your life by. It's your life, be who you want to be, be your very best (you don't have religion holding you back anymore), BE YOURSELF. You'll need to do some soul searching, and when I say some of mean alot. It'll never really end even. You need to figure out whats important to you, what you need in your life, what are your PRIORITIES?

While I was trying to figure thigns out for myself I came up with 3 questions that could get my mind thinking in the way it should be

1. What do you want in life?

2. Where does that come from?

3. How do you achieve it?

I hope that can help you. Feel free to PM me if you wanna talk about shit, I might be able to help
 
Has anyone read the book " the stuff white people like" - or something like that? One of the things was "religion that their parents dont belong to" this thread has confirmed it for me. so true
 
I have a horrible vile taste in my mouth left by religion and everything that goes with it. I was born in Sarajevo, Bosnia, you guys most likely have no clue where that is. Basically in 1992 a massive war broke out and it turned quite ugly because of religion. Sarajevo, my hometown, was hit the worst of all, the Serbs laid siege to it for 4 years straight. The things that happened that made me hate religion happened everywhere though, the Serbs and Croats started doing large scale ethnic cleansing throughout my country. There were three main ethnic groups, Serbs are Russian Orthodox, Croats are Roman Catholic, and Bosnian's are Muslim. The Serbs did the most genoicde though, just in the town of Srebrernica they killed 8,000 Bosnians in 3 days, they still dig up mass graves to this day. I don't care how hard ones life can be without religon, I doubt the lack of relgion causes as much pain as I pointed out. Life without religon and God is a more peaceful one, believe me.
 
i think in many many years religion will eventually fade away and it'll be one big step in the evolutionary process. we'll look back upon it like we did with the greeks and romans believing in Gods thousands of years ago. which i dont really understand why religious people think is so different from believing in just one God than 10 different Gods with different personalities.

but if you think about it in turns of science it makes sense. when an animal and mind develops itself so much and becomes so complicated, the fact that we question who are we, and how we got here is one big step in evolution. do you think your dog even knows or cares where he's going after he dies? or even thinks why am i here?
 
i am 3/4th croatian so i can tell you that is is 100% truth\

but please allow me to point something out

the bible says that if you "believe with your mouth and confess with your heart" then you are "saved"

that is all there is too it.

"religion" is what men have added to god.

look at the catholic church (absolutely NO hate intended)

you don't have to go through 10 different "sacraments' to "decrease your time in purgatory"

you just have to believe and confess.

the wars over RELIGION

haven't been over God

just religion

which is completely human

and humanity's fault.

........

put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 
The whole concept is so loopy. Think about it...all these religions that don't get along...if there was a God he created these religions that didn't get along and he created violence and hate; yet people still worship him for doing that....so in theory...they're worshipping a god that created violence and hate and war!

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Searching for answers in religion will not do you any good. Religion pretty much help you block out the truth for you to be able to live an ignorant way of life. Their motto is:"ignorance is bliss".

So this is my advice, gather information of what is going on in your life. Like you didnt give us any specifics, ill be broad: sit back and relaxes, things will resolve itself. It always does. Act on logic, not emotions and finally there are trained people that can help you if the situation gets out of hand.
 
good answer. but the problem is that a lot of people are motivated by the wrong priorities. that's why you get stalins, hitlers and maos in the world. so in a way god is pretty practical because he sets an absolute moral law. i'm an agnostic but im sick of people being so open-minded and relative about moral stuff. before answering any of those questions you should probably read a lot and examine everything. only after you've done that can you start to lay down your beliefs.
 
actually I read a book that primarily talks about that.

chris hedges--war is a force that gives us meaning

its a horribly depressing book written by a war correspondent who covered every major conflict since 1980. this guy has been shot at countless times, beaten, and tortured. in bosnia he crouched under concrete knee deep in entrails as serb gunners laid waste to everything around him in sarajevo.

wars are not about religion. they are about land/power acquisition, and unequal distribution of wealth/power. religion/ethnicity/nationalism is used to dupe young men into fighting.

read this book. you'll realize that war is truly horrible and almost always has impure motives. also, most wars that don't involve first-world powers involve paramilitary forces massacring civilians.
 
You're right, it wasn't religion until a few months into the war. In the beginning it was power, and politics, and nationalism, it did not get terribly personal. Then after a while Karadzic and Milosevic decided it was a good idea to wipe Bosnian's off the face of the earth. The nationalism that seperated us stemmed from religon, if there was not any sort of religon in the Balkans we would of never had a problem to begin with. There are videos from Srbrenica that shows Russian Orthadox preists blessing Serbs before they go to massacure the entire town. Believe me, religon played a massive role and the churchs at the time were fully aware fo what people were doing. For example, the Russians gave Serbia a lot of their weapons during the Ex-Yugoslav embargo because the Serbians and Russians are the same religon. To this day I can't freely go to certain parts of Bosnia and Serbia, if they know where I am from and who I am I would be slaughtered.

Let me also explain, there were no serb paramilitary forces, why do you think goverment leaders like Karadzic and Milosovic are in jail? Because they controled the military and knew what they did to us

Let me give you a little historical perspective so you can understand why I think religion caused all this. Tito was the leader of Yugoslavia when we were in our golden years. Our economy was booming, we all got along, we even held the winter olympics in my city. The reason this was the most peaceful sucessful time of the balkans was because of Tito's way of dealing with us. He put heavy restrictions on religon mixing with goverment and on nationalism as a whole. Without religon destroying the country and with no nationalism seperating us, we lived happily together. Once he died though, religon crept it's way back into daily life, and as with it, so did nationalism. Instigators like Milosovic and Karadzic gained power by playing up the nationalism, soon after our country exploded.

 
Probably the most intelligent statement in this thread. The argument that "religion causes all wars" is as ignorant and logically baseless as it is cliche.

 
It seems to me that religion is simply used as an excuse, and an idea of hope for peopl who truly can't cope with the concept of Death.
It is a way to accept the death of friends, family, and eventually yourself.

On another note -
Our soul can be considered a form of energy.
The law of conservation of energy says that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, only changed.
Now i'm not saying that i believe in heaven. But nothing ever just disappears altogether...

That's just my beliefs anyways, thoughts?

 
here is what i belive... there is an almighty creator, but the world and the universe is not probablility as some see it to be, but this creator is watching over us and most likely has no idea what is going to happen for the rest of eternity as some religions belive (if you knew what was going to happen for the rest of forever, why create a universe in the first place?). i belive this greater power planned and set certain rules of mathematics and physics for its new universe and reality and then just pressed the "on button" or so to speak, and then watched its universe prosper for billions of years. in my vision, we determine our own fate, and we are able to use the rules set in place by physics, and mathematics to build and use the universe to our advantage. I also belive there is no heaven or hell... why would any all knowing creator want to make everything perfect after death, or torture his own beings for eternity? i belive after death our spirits live on in this universe, not in a reincarnation, or going to a perfect place called "heaven", but to see and enjoy everything we couldnt in our life and also see all the imperfectuons of the universe that we were never able to see fully and above all understand our universe and become truely enlightened by seeing all aspects of life, death, and creation.
 
PLEASE WATCH THE FIRST PART OF THIS MOVIE. IT WILL CHANGE YOUR VIEW OF RELIGION

[url=http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
 
sorry i mixed that up a little bit too much.
what i was referring to, because "soul" sounds like a religous term, is more everything within us.
everything that functions, and works on an individual basis, most importantly our brain, which kind of determines the direction of our lives.
and as such a powerful thing (our brain) for lack of a better word, i don't think that it altogether disappears.
which is where i pull the science idea in
 
I once heard something about this medical radiology machine or something that would show this like inner ora thing when they used it on people. No one could ever figure out what it was though. Ill try to whip up a reference somewhere online
 
Yes, zeitgeist is pretty convincing. I was wondering how long it would be until someone brought it up.

On the other hand, I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school through the fourth grade. Then I questioned everything the church said about our religion, decided it was bullshit, and decided against being confirmed despite my family's, friend's, and teacher's disappointment. Since then I've lived a pretty happy life, believing what I want. Recently I've found Buddhism, which isn't quite a religion but more of a way of life. It teaches love and compassion, two things that I try to live by. There are many more principles of Buddhism, but the best part of it is that you can take and leave what you want without 'penalty'. I'm not calling myself a devoted Buddhist, but I am suggesting that you check it out.
 
no. please dont. there are so many flaws in the part of zeigeist about reliogion its not even funny. if youre going to watch it though you might as well watch this. it basically pwns zeigeist and says how they basically use like 4 sources and gave them all 10000 different names and how half of it is wrong.
 
Eh, here's how I see it.

Humans wrote the Bible and all other religious texts. Humans wrote the laws of science. Humans are deceitful and manipulative. Someone's fucking lying. Maybe both are. Either way, I don't believe any of it.
 
well when you die, your brain is still there. it doesn't go anywhere besides decays into the dirt after a while.

but i get what you're trying to say. the "energy" in your body for lac of a better word, has to go somewhere. but idk you could argue we don't really have any "energy" or whatever you want to call it. fuck it.

i might post in here later, but a lot of this stuff is really interesting.
 
And what substantial evidence do you have to back this statement up? None. You don't. Because there isn't any. He's just as "right" as you are, because there's no way to know who's right. Might as well make the most of the situation.
 
Exactly. And thats why I can say that. He has every right to state his belief as I do with mine. I'll make a more educated post later though when I have time.
 
FOX news? you call THAT a source? Remember that FOX news is run by a group of fundamentalist evangelical Christians. Come on
 
No... because he's not saying anyone else is wrong. He's just saying his opinion is that you might as well live this life as though there's nothing else because there might not be, so instead of living for something that you can't rely on live for the moment. That isn't wrong, it can't possibly be wrong. It doesn't need backup because it's completely true. Sure, there MIGHT be an afterlife, but as long as we can't know (and we never will) we might as well live this life to the fullest. Any other viewpoint I can think of needs evidence. Therefore - you're wrong.
 
There's significantly more evidence that "an afterlife" exists than there is that it doen't exist. Every near-death-experience ever recorded suggests evidence of an afterlife. I'm a fairly skeptical guy, but the idea that 100% of afterlife observations in the history of the world are completely wrong seems fairly cynical and closed-minded.
 
Believe me, I've done my research on DMT. More extensive research than looking at urbandictionary.com.

DMT testing has only been hypothesized and tested once. And it was VERY inconclusive testing. In the early 90's, Dr. Rick Strassman conducted testing with the psychedelic drug DMT. Several of Dr. Rick Strassman's 60 test subjects reported experiences similar to the classic near-death-experience. Strassman himself considered his hypothesis regarding near-death-experiences to be wrong, but noted that obvious factors in a real near-deat-experience could not be taken into account.

All recent DMT testing has been completely speculative since it is fairly impossible to find volunteers for scientific near-death-experience experimenting and testing with the drug is banned for ethical reasons.
 
That + Drew's post > a bunch of people claiming they saw shit. The fact that DMT is released when the brain thinks the body is dying pretty much puts the nail in the coffin. I'm not saying there's NOT an afterlife, but to say the evidence is stronger for one than against one is ridiculous.
 
They cannot compare to death. But what else is there to help understand "an afterlife."

For example, if you are trying to understand what Mars is like, it would be incredibly foolish to refuse to listen to astronomers who hadn't walked on Mars simply because they hadn't physically been there.

The burden of proof lies equally with the argument that nothing exists after life as does the other way around.
 
dude did you even watch it? the fox news part is just a screenshot from 1 part of the video. the video isnt anything from fox news and i know fox news is complete bullshit trust me.
 
that analogy doesnt work because Mars actually exists. we can see mars, we've had things land on mars, we know its there. death/afterlife is like a 50/50 guess that it exists or not. and even if someone claims to be in the afterlife its still controversial due to the whole DMT phenomena.
 
And guess what, there where religions before paganism, oh my who woulda thought.

Religion is for those who are afraid to accept that we might not know everything. It's a quick answer to the end game.
 
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