Liberals vs Conservatives
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Scaredwhiteboy
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13451437:S.J.W said:
So if you knock up your wife and at 23 weeks some guy punches her in the stomach causing a still birth, that isn't murder in your eyes?
S.J.W
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13451459:Scaredwhiteboy said:
Well yes because that's someone who has no affiliation with my wife or I (hypothetically) killing our baby. I don't think you understand abortions. Very few people actually like getting an abortion, it is a tormenting experience and no woman goes into an abortion clinic thinking that it'll be a fun experience
John18_6
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yeahmon
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13451527:las. said:
No they really aren't they certainly can be evolution could just be gods plan for change. And also God doesn't get me through day to day but he certainly does help take some of the stress out of your life when you are having one. And honestly what is it with you guys it's not enough for you to attack my opinions you have to attack me personally. That is pretty low
onenerdykid
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13451449:yeahmon said:
Which god is more valid than another god? And how can you be certain?
Which religious text is more valid than the other religious texts? And how can you be more certain?
To another point you brought up, some religions place (such as Jainism) place all life on an equal moral level. In their eyes, you are committing a great evil by killing and eating animals.
Ultimately, because any religion uses an unseen/untested/unproven prime cause as their sole justification for anything and everything, using "because god said so" holds no weight for those who do not share the same faith as you.
You need to use deductive reasoning, logic, and facts to argue with people. If your religious beliefs coincide with that, then that's great. But you need to use that first, not religion first.
californiagrown
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13451340:.MASSHOLE. said:
I quoted the wrong post of yours up here. Whoops.
13451399:yeahmon said:
Says the guy using the bible for his logical reasoning.
Charlie_Kelly
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13451424:yeahmon said:
You keep avoiding the point he raises. And its certainly not murder in the 1st trimester.
Also solid post by masshole.
yeahmon
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13451563:Granite_State said:
Who says it doesn't. Prove it. Viability is not the test for life. http://www.thesurvivaldoctor.com/20...-begin-medical-experts-debate-abortion-issue/
californiagrown
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13451561:yeahmon said:
Masshole has admitted many, many times in this thread that he says dumb things.
As for you, you don't believe in civil unions for same sex couples, correct? You are a goddamn bigot who doesn't give a fuck about human rights. Ban it in church all you want, but for our govt to treat people wholly differently and not afford them equal rights based purely upon their sexual orientation is disgusting and wrong.
But legalizing marijuana is some that you like? Sounds about right you 16 yr old, sheltered trustafarian mental midget.
MACAQUE
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13451561:yeahmon said:
ISIS is a threat to the Middle East, but not North America (yet). The United States is pretty much untouchable from any large scale threat. Sure, extremists can carry out attacks on American soil, but occasional bombings are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Terrorist attacks are scary as an American, but they don't pose any real danger in your everyday life.
ISIS with long-range, nuclear weapons though, is a threat. I'm confident that our intelligence is good enough for us to know when we need to intervene. I think we should be aware of the possibility of ISIS getting WMDs but up until that point I don't think we should be involved in the conflict. Unless we're going to start a REAL war we should stay out of the Middle East. I'm skeptical as to how much air strikes actually accomplish. We may kill combatants, but more are just going to be turned against the West with every bomb dropped.
Food for thought: http://www.vice.com/read/we-asked-a...e-whole-world-could-conquer-the-united-states
.MASSHOLE.
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13451882:MACAQUE said:
The likelihood of ISIS gaining nuclear weaponry is close to zero. Between the US, Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, there is enough interest to prevent this from coming even close to fruition.
Charlie_Kelly
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13451634:yeahmon said:
Survivaldoctor.com...seems legit.
Murder is the killing of another person without justification or valid excuse, and it is especially the unlawful killing of another person with malice aforethought.
Id say getting an abortion after being raped, or not being a fit parent, or a condom breaking, or being financial unable to raise a child, etc. are all valid excuses and therefore by definition is not murder. Not to mention there is no malice aforethought when getting an abortion.
Hey let me ask you a question, do you eat eggs? When you crack open an egg does a fully grown chicken pop out?
.MASSHOLE.
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13451909:MACAQUE said:
It is stupid to speak in absolutes when dealing with any sort of issue regarding nuclear power. That being said it is much harder for a non-state actor to gain any sort of infrastructure to allow the procurement and protection of such weaponry. Seeing as the list of actual nuclear powers is quite short and all of them are at odds with ISIS, it is highly unlikely any would do a deal that could put themselves potentially in the crosshairs of their own weapons.
13451911:S.J.W said:
When looking for information regarding ISIS and Middle Eastern affairs look beyond the mainstream American media. Look at foreign newspapers, academic journals, or topic-specific journals.
miroz
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13451529:yeahmon said:
You are young and you are naive, regardless of your faith. I respect you for your faith and dedication. You're right, a lot of people find help in faith. That doesn't make it real.
Suppose life exists on another planet, in another galaxy far, far away. This life would be, by definition, alien. If they are faithful to a god that is completely distinct from yours, whose is the true god? Certainly, they can't worship our god, because our god has supposedly stated that he's all about humans.
One of the pillars of science is that the scientist observes a phenomena impartially to derive repeatable results that others can also repeat. Religion is neither of those things. There was a thread a while back where milkman tried to convince people that religious science was legit. For the most part, it's a joke.
There are obviously some things that science cannot currently answer now, but someday, we will understand these things. We once thought the earth was flat and that the sun and stars revolved around the earth? Such arrogance! Is arbitrarily assuming that the creator chose to make humans special another example of that arrogance? Time will tell.
Regardless, religion and science do not get along. Religion has always tried to answer the questions we humans cannot. However, as (1) science progresses and people make observable, repeatable, and understandable discoveries, and (2) the general population becomes smarter and can understand these results, religion has to forfeit some of these "answers" it once preached as truth.
I'm not an atheist. I hate organized religion. It preys on people's deepest fears and exploits them to feed the governing institution. It's just so illogical. If someday, there is clear, observable, and repeatable proof that a god exists, then I will believe. But until then, it is impossible to know. Ancient texts, word of mouth, and interpretations of other people's "experiences" is not proof of a higher power, and certainly not one that can be understood by humans.
Do yourself a favor and make an effort to start looking at things more objectively. You believe the things that others have told you, but what have you seen and experienced for yourself? Can you tell us, without quoting religious scripture, why your religion is more true than all the other religions of the universe? I hope that as you get older you will reflect on your spirituality, your experiences, and the observable world around you.
yeahmon
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13451656:californiagrown said:
honestly what is your deal dude attack my ideals I have no problem at all with at but stop attacking me personally that is not productive for anyone here.
I don't agree that the people that are against gay marriage are called bigots and old school. That's not it at all. We don't hate that person we hate what they do. And if they're allowed their opinion why can't heterosexuals be allowed their opinion? If this is such a free country that everyone talks about.
yeahmon
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13451949:miroz said:
I know everyone is gonna call me crazy for this but you just have to have faith that he is the one true God. And if you try hard enough you can just feel the holy spirt, at least I do. God is very real you can't tell me when you are skiing you don't feel his presence in the majestic mountains. Why is it that everyone hops on the God train when the plains going down?
S.J.W
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13451985:yeahmon said:
No you said you hate what they do. And don't throw around accusations to one religion that they can't be gay, when your own religion claims you can't be gay either in Leviticus 18:22
Curious do you do any of these things???
Like to see woman wearing sexy clothes? Yep, that's banned in the bible
Masturbate? Yeah, you can't do that anymore
Watch porn? Good bye big booty bitches
Can't wear jewelry either.
Do you eat bacon?
Tear your clothes?
Don't you dare get a tattoo.
Remarriage after divorce.
Can't spread rumours
Woman can't speak in churches either
Can't have premarital sex either.
Can't wear any two materials either
Can't eat seafood either
Can't work on Saturday either
Can't get a bowl cut either
Can't trim your beard either
Can't get divorced either.
Now if you can tell me that you don't do any of those things, then you have my blessing to hate on gays, go ahead. But don't preach one section of the bible whilst committing sin by doing any of those listed above.
miroz
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13451987:yeahmon said:
To open your mind and think about the universe outside the box that someone made for you. Whether you decide to go back into your box or not can depend on what you find when you step out, but if you want to be conservatively sure that the position you now hold is right, it's something you have to do.
S.J.W
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13452017:yeahmon said:
Yes marriage is a state right, but that wasn't the issue. The issue was that it went against the 14th amendment of all laws being equal. You can't have a law that singles out someone. Imagine if a state said blacks weren't allowed to marry, that goes against the 14th amendment. Same with gay marriage.
By all means have your religion, just don't force it down peoples face and tell other people how to live by your religion.
S.J.W
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13452046:yeahmon said:
1. Marriage is a contract between two people, when the law was changed, nothing was changed apart from a few pronouns, but from a legal perspective, it was all the same. In a polygamous marriage ALOT would have to change, who would pay alimoney to who? Who get's custody of the children? Who decides to pull the plug or not on life support? Do employer benefits extend to all wifes or husbands? Who's the next of kin? If gay marriage led to polygamy then the entire definition of marriage and the institution that surrounds marriage would have to be revamped and redesigned. Polygamy also goes against the natural concept of your significant other, the exclusion to all others part of your marriage contract. There's also countries where polygamy is legal and gay marriage isn't. Countries that have also legalized gay marriage haven't seen an increase in polygamy marriage requests.
2. Show me an animal giving consent to a person and being involved a physical relationship and then that argument will be viable.
3. Having sex with a sibling is much like a teacher having sex with an 18 year old student. One person holds a power over the other person and as much as you want to say "yeah well they're juts consenting adults", they're usually not. If one person holds power over another person like in a family structure then consent can not be adequately given. There's also the genetic mutations that arrive from inbreeding.
Charlie_Kelly
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13452046:yeahmon said:
Polygamy is legal in the mormon faith (also a prime example of how laughable religion is), bestiality is the reason aids got its start, and incest leads to gentic disorders. Two people of the same sex marrying each other literally dors nothing negative except bother you close-minded religious bigots. Your argument is so fucking bad its laughable.
ndye
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13452017:yeahmon said:
Sin and laws shouldn't be the same. You surely must realize that the fear against gay marriage is mainly a religious concept, do you believe that is a separation of church and state? And do you believe that gay people are Americans like us, and have the right to pursue happiness in the same form as the rest of us?