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^^^ all NDP does is put all the taxpayers money to fucking stupid causes like Welfare....

NDP is garbage, unless you plan to be a bum your whole fucking life go get a job and stop wasting everyone elses hard earned money.

Its should be between liberals and conservatives... you can shove your other votes up your ass

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I'm liking the tories more and more, no damn gun registry, no stupid CRTC bullshit and you know those mothers 'll be harsh on any kinda freaks (and I'm talking about that whole 'pedophiliac materials having artistic integrity'bullshit).Plus it's about time we fund those dudes in the military some more. All the other parties are just trying to demonize Harper by comparing him to Bush, fuck it, I like Bush, I wish the Conservatives changed their name to Republican Party of Canada. I, for one, will be happy to have a pm who actually cares about the West.

I spin more rhymes than a lazy susan...

and I'm in-no-cent till my guilt is pro-ven!

 
JD- thanks for your honest answer. But perhaps you too should be a politician, as it seems you are good at only sort of answering the questions properly and you couldnt be stradling that fence any tighter. Seeing as I already admitted to being wrong about saying 'A Liberal is a Liberal,' it should have been obvious that the opinion I was talking about was siding Conservative.

The two may have disagreed on some issues, but oddly enough, being on the same party and all, they agree/d one hundreds more. Dont you also think it is odd that Martin really didnt support Cretien on the whole gay marriage issue and then suddenly come election time, he feels much the same way?

I dont expect you to understand my hypothetical example regarding adoption, but if mine didnt make any sense to you, do you expect me to even remotely be able to understand your little anti- point? It was somewhat funny though.

Obviously, if they are flipping a coin it is not a choice. Sorry, your analogy doesnt work. This, however, is where we think different. I believe it is a choice. Just like I chose to take Engineering. I wasn't born an engineer, but it was something that I was interested in and thought was right for me. You believe that is just how they are- born that way. This could be argued forever.

However, a big reason I will vote for Conservative, is because they seem to have a better grasp of what is really important right now. All you hear is talk about homosexual marriage and abortion. While these are important topics, they should be taking a backburner to issues such as the BSE crisis & Avian flu. Admittedly, this is somewhat biased as I come from a farm, but if you think this doesnt affect you then you obviously havent 'researched enough.' Just go for a walk on the seawall, or step outside and see what is says on the side of many rail cars. But, hey, who cares about one of the backbone industries of our economies, when you can take smaller issues and overexagerate the hell out of em.

Im well aware that you are very knowledgeable and seem to be able to keep facts and stats fairly well. Admittedly, without a doubt, better than I. I just wonder whether you have the ability to sometimes see not what is just simply written there (which may or may not be true to begin with,) but if you actually look outside of your books and papers- think for yourself a bit. Maybe you do and perhaps we just have very different ways of interpretting it.

'you haven't got a clue what you're talking about' = know nothing ? You tell me.

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liberals lie and steal and are candy-ass bitches!

I spin more rhymes than a lazy susan...

and I'm in-no-cent till my guilt is pro-ven!

 
''this is somewhat biased as I come from a farm''

Then you SHOULD be voting conservative, without a doubt. Their policies are quite likely in your favour. I couldn't say the same if you were living in a city, but in your case, a conservative vote makes a lot of sense. I'm obviously not saying that there's nothing going in the conservatives' favour. In my case, and in the case of many Canadians not in your position, i would have to contend that is is not the case that conservative policies would be to their advantage.

I also agree that certain issues have been blown out of proportion, including homosexual rights, which is essentially a non-issue (they should have the same rights as everyone else). Abortion legislation will not change the fact that people will get abortions, they will simply get them illegaly. So you're right, these are not the things we should be talking about. However, I will add to this list the sponsorship scandal. Everyone is harping on it, asking for the answers, when Martin is doing what he can to investigate. 9/11 took 3 years, and yet everyone seems to think the entire truth about a well-executed scheme like this one can be uncovered practically overnight. There are two scenarios. One, Martin did not know about the sponsorship scandal. Two, he did, and since taking over leadership of the government has tried to rectify the problem. Let's leave it at that for now, and see what the new commissions find out.

I'd also like to add to your list of issues taht should be discussed concerning parrty policies, and these have come forward. One is, where does harper intend to get all his money? You cannot cut taxes, eliminate the debt, spend huge sums on defense AND fix medicare. It's downright unrealistic, and as skeptical as people are of the liberal promises (and rightly so, I believe, on some accounts, such as child care, which isn't happening), I think they should also take Harper's words with several grains of salt. Second is the americanization of the country. The elimination of cultural regulations will cripple the canadian music industry and destroy the CBC, cooperation with American foreign policy is not an option (we are peacekeepers, not policemen, and that is how things should stay), and spending money on Carriers and other such things amounts far greater unnecessary expenditure than anything the liberals have done.

My analogy was meant to make no sense, just as yours doesn't, because they are saying essentially the same thing. However, there is no point in debating this.

Finally, I have to say that your response was well put and well thought out, and I very much appreciate that. If only that sort of argument were made more often, we'd have far better discussions.

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^i think all of yur verbal wars prove that there is indeed, no official right answer. so get out there on voting day and tell them what YOU think, every1 has their own opinion every1 is affected in different way. its up to u to tell them who u think will run our country better

 
ofcourse everyone has their own opinion, who elses would it be?

For me, the main factor swaying my vote towards the liberals would be the breakdown of the budgets. since the conservative budget relies on ideal economic conditions, it is bound to fail. What is unknown is what programs Harper will eventually be forced to cut. Tax cuts, balancing the budget, increasing health care and substantially increasing military seems too good to be true, it just looks unplausable to me.

Life sucks, get a fucking helmet

-Denis Leary
 
liberals blow so much, plus they dont care about the west, thats why i am votiong either ndp or conservartive, fuck the liberals!

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What are some things you would change if you could, be them realistic or unrealistic?

Where would you put the money?

What would you change, if you were in power?

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Some of you really need to pull your heads out of your asses: ''NDP are pinkos that want to flood people on welfare with money''

Have you read the NDP platform, do you know the slightest about how government works?!? Obviously you don’t because WELFARE ISN'T A FEDERAL ISSUE!

Here's my little rant on welfare (because most of you won't read it since your ’rents wouldn’t approve of you reading this communist crap)

Right now your check offers about 500 bucks a month (which in my city doesn't even allow you to pay for rent). After that, you can make just over a hundred bucks a month off of a job. Every dollar you make over that, goes directly back into paying for your welfare check.

Go out and talk to any person on welfare (or who has been on welfare) and you'll find out quickly that it's just a program that recycles the poor. It's a bottomless pit that many are forced into.

How about we create incentive for them to get a job? Maybe top off their cheque if they are working? Instead of a dollar-per-dollar pay-back scheme; maybe they should pay it off at only 50 cents per dollar… only after they are making 1000 bucks a month in total?

We do need welfare reform... but wait; the federal NDP hasn't said a word about welfare reform... because it isn't a federal issue (and these ideas are mine only).

So basically here is where I stand ladies and gents:

-If you have absolutely no respect for gays... vote Conservative.

-If you think abortion should be decided by the bible... vote Conservative

-If you think the War in Iraq was worthy of Canadian military casualties... vote Conservative.

-If you want to be just like them... vote Conservative.

Since we're sort of on the topic of the NDP (and how they are worry free cash spenders)... who ever said the Conservatives have an economically sound platform? Harper is relying on outrageous surplus estimates to fund his tax cuts... you're parent's money-conscious Conservatives are no more.

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just an observation. the majority of people in this thread who are conservative supporters say nothing of substance to back up their claim. it's always 'those liberals are shit, i'm voting conservative'. educate yourself, honestly

Life sucks, get a fucking helmet

-Denis Leary
 
Epithemus, Im only pointing out what I dont like about the Liberals, just like, well pretty much every Liberal is doing for the conservatives. I hope you actually read all my posts and that I'm not part of your little majority (kind of like the gov the torries will get he he he.)

JD, obviously we could argue these issues for ever it seems, and probably neither would change their minds. It is true that the Conservative platform holds more to my favour, even though I really dont live on a farm anymore, being a student in cowtown and all. However, what I would like to reiterate is just how big of a potential problem (way bigger than it already is) the BSE crisis could become. Potentially, even for you (us) city folk. Maybe the Conservatives do not have all the answers, and admittedly, their economic plan seems almost to good to be true. I, however, would like to see a change and see what a different government could do in 4 yrs.

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^You believe him?

(Just my predictions)

Harper's getting a little too cocky? A majority? Please...! People in Quebec (and in Ontario) are waking up, and the Bloc is going to get fewer seats than they are polling them at. The NDP votes will also drop.

It's going to be a close one, but I think Harper's campaign peaked way too early, and a lot of people are back-pedalling on their first impressions.

Martin's going to get the undecided vote because the current Conservatives can't even be considered Tories, and people are actually scared of them and what they'll do (rather; religious nuts).

Haha... majority! Good one!

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k, i didnt read all that, too long. But liberals are steals, conservatives as well, mostly same people as with mulroney.

we are screwd.

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k conicidering conservitaves are going to put weapons in space, go to war with iraq, attempt to completly privatize healthcare, dont believe even in the science of reducing our emmitions therefore doesnt support keyoto. also our mp for the okanagan alomst got in a fight in the house of parlement last year and he was conservitive so that is sweet. I mean seriously why do we need to put weapons in space who is going to attack us? and personally i dont want to go to war. K thank you

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^ that was also nothing close proper paragraph, sentance and defyed the rules of grammer. Damn i need to go to school.

Anyway liberal gets my vote even though i like ndp more but they have no chance and i hate the concerviatves more than i like the ndp.

that is all

 
g-g-g unit doesnt like conservatives because they are against abortions and with the amount of ladies he gets pregnent he doesnt want to have to spend his fortune on child support hed rather spend it on being a a magic stick or killin wankstas

 
hey to all those who say they aren't voting ndp even though they want to cause they won't win: do it anyways if you don't your not properly expressing your view. you will not effect any change by not voting for the party you actually believe in.

you can't tell us we can't sell Pent House in Abbotsford!
 
also parties get funding by the number of votes they get. so its good too vote for small parties so they get a chance to get funds.

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see poeple are only not voting for the liberlas cuz they thing everyone is getting away with millions case of the scandal. its not like martin is gattin any of it, the guy is already a multy millionaire( usedto be a business man). and now people are voting for that ingnorant harper to get back at martin. at least vote for ndp. harper is basicly gonna turn us unto the states.

 
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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
...to several of the above posts. And you thought I needed to do some research? Hahaha.

Im pretty sure Harper is actually the devil. If not he's just got to be his right hand man.

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