Lib Tech UFO 115

Ginette007

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Fellows,

Have you tried the Lib Tech UFO 115? I suppose it is a good pow stick but what about charging in various snow conditions? Is it stable for example like a Candide 4.0? My ski of reference but I broke it so I am looking for another pair :)

Thanks for your help.

Ga
 
I haven't skied the new UFO115 , but I've got the Lib FF5 185cm (2014) with dukes as my pow ski. From what I know the UFO is the replacement for the FF5 not identical but pretty close. Im still on my FF5 - I really like them.

I did get the wreckreate 100 (188cm) and 115 (191cm) last year and did not like them. Was bumbed- I'm going back to the UFO115
 
13845774:Paddy75 said:
I haven't skied the new UFO115 , but I've got the Lib FF5 185cm (2014) with dukes as my pow ski. From what I know the UFO is the replacement for the FF5 not identical but pretty close. Im still on my FF5 - I really like them.

I did get the wreckreate 100 (188cm) and 115 (191cm) last year and did not like them. Was bumbed- I'm going back to the UFO115

Thanks a lot man. How is it in the crud at speed? still holding of floppy?

Cheers

Gabe
 
I'm 6'3 and 90kg... Ski Jackson 6 weeks a year front side and back ... Current gear

Sic Day 95 186cm (130/95/115)

Libtech fully functional five 185 with marker duke (144/117/135)

Boot salomon X pro 130

Last season I pulled the trigger on a pair of

Libtech wreckreate 100 (188cm)

Libtech wreckreate 115 (191cm)

Had them dialled in at Teton sports but they are too much ski for me... they kicked my arse... Was bumbed out but they were just too Roudy. I'm going to get rid of them

The FF5s ski great in soft snow and are surprising good in bounds front side of the Mt and on groomers...much Better than I thought it would.

I've tried to find info on the new UFO115 and the wunderstick but haven't found any yet, I have had good reports from another guy on the site
 
Check blaines line of the year Jackson hole on YouTube

He doesn't seem to have a problem with his UFOs either
 
i have a lot of time on the old pows in 181, the freeride horsepowers in 179, and some on wundersticks in 182 and fff in 175. I have recently also gotten some UFOs - both 100 and 115 - and some wreck115, but have yet to ride any of them.

wundersticks (i wrote the review on evo's 18 wundersticks) - in general i like these a lot. Coming off the pows the shape was a bit unusual for me with significant tip taper, and they are quite a bit softer, especially in the tips. That being said, i have really gotten to like em. They are plenty stiff underfoot and in the rear, they carve well and the tips planes well as well. The wunders are the first mid wide ski that i have used in pow, and they were amazingly fun there. That being said, i have only six or so days on them (half of it in superwindblown coastal pow, the rest in superlight dry pow), so my experience is kind of limited.

I have always loved my pows, though to be honest, they are a bit too much skis for me when it gets tight in the trees or very steep - meaning in spots where big arcs are just unfeasible. My technique isn't good enough to muscle them around, and i am not the heaviest of riders either. They remain my favorite flat out ski though, and as my skills improve i am sure i will go back to them again and again. The wreck115s are softer than the pows and about 150grs or so ligher, but due to their lack of taper i expect them to maintain the charging characteristics of the pow. I also expect them to be equally fantastic in variable snow. I have set the wrecks up with some Tectons and they will see their fair share of resort based touring this year. The UFOs are significantly softer than the wrecks again. There is seemingly good support underneath your feet, but the tips and tails are a significantly softer. Together with the taper, i expect them to be an absolute riot in softer snow. I am also expecting them to be kind of like the wunders in that they are not the stiffest tip to tail, but still are tolerably damp and light weight aka good in variable snow. I am unsure how good they are as a charger though. The ufo100s are even softer than the 115s again - they are really quite soft, especially in the shovels, and a lot softer than the freeride horsepowers that i am replacing. I never got on very well with the horsys though - though they were fun to carve and bomb down the hill with - and it will be interesting to see how the UFO100s will behave. I think the decent support underfoot combined with soft shovels front and back will make em very versatile, though it will be interesting to see if they get chatty at high speed in variable conditions.

I guess the big news from Mervin is that they will soon release Wundersticks in a 118 version, and personally i think those will be a better fit for me than the UFO115s. That being said i will stay on the UFOs for this season and potentially get the 118s for next year - unless the UFOs turn out to be poor at charging (i expect they will be very playful) :) I only rode the ff5 three days to try a shorter ski. I tried them in the 175 length and the pows in 171. Both were very fun skis indeed, but in the end i found out i prefer longer skis. Overall i prefer the shapes of the UFOs over the FFFs.

and yeah, finding info on Lib skis is not the easiest. Two of the best sources on new info on Lib skis are what i gather are two of their ski developers, found on instagram as Crawdad41 and adamcu280. The wunder118 information got dropped by the former two days ago, though they have seemingly been on the skis since at least mid last season and have been dropping steady hints ever since :)

**This post was edited on Oct 17th 2017 at 2:09:31pm
 
Thanks for all the info I've been hunting this stuff on Libs since feb this year. It's bloody hard to find.

It's nice to pick someone's brain that's skied so many of the Libs over time. - it's rare to find. I've tried contacting lib direct but got no love.

Ive loved my FF5 with dukes they've been awesome. Had them since 2014 Although Suited for more pow/back side of the mt, I found them to be surprisingly good front side too at slow and high speed. I come out from Aust and ski Jackson WY 6 weeks a year (it's all the holidays I can get) and mostly ski out of the gates there when the conditions permit.

I did set up 2 new skis the wreckreate 100 and the 115 this last season with the kingpin ( my first proper AT binding) and scarpa RS freedom. But they really kicked my arse. They were just too burly for me, I'd try turn these things and they'd just send me straight. ( I'm 6'3 and 90kg) I struggled both out the gates and inbounds too. I wasn't sure if the binding or new boot had anything to do with that feeling thou- any thoughts? I'd be interested to hear how you rate them. Would it be worth me trying these with an alpine binding/ boot?

At this stage I'm looking at getting rid of the wreckreate 100/115 and swing back on the UFO 115 and was very interested in the wunderstick as a 2 ski quiver. I noticed the other reviewer on evo with his at the top of Cody peak... Loves them everywhere- Apparently leaving his quiver behind gathering dust.

reading your post can you tell me if the ff5 and ufo115 are similar or different skis? The basic dimensions read the same they look the same on line but 2mm diff under foot not sure about the rocker /taper.

Im really trying to sort out my quiver for next trip over in Jan. Esp after the let down of the experience with the wreckreateS- it killed a week or so of my trip. It's hard now- i can't demo the Libs in Jackson anymore ( LINE either which is my other ski after the treehouse closed there) no one stocks them there which is surprising.

I have 2x King pins to play with

a duke and

Griffon

Open to advice

I want to be able to cover Laps on the pass, hikes off the tram and tear laps inbound with my 10yr old son... Not asking for much I know.., haha

Out of interest do you ride for lib? Or have any affiliation with them?

Have you had the chance to get on the sick day104 or pescado ... They're the other 2 skis I'm looking at- thanks again

Cheers

Paddy
 
first thank you for your replies. Really cool!

I own the Pescado for a season now and I have ridden it a lot.

Just as backgroud, i live in the Alps. im 6foot and i have good technics due to moguls racing.

on hardpack the pescado can turn but at speed they start to shake a bit. The ski is light.

on chopped and variable snow condition the ski jusy destroys everything. it likes to go straight.on slush its mad fun. you can butter.

I spent quite some time in AK this season to ride steep and deep and the ski my goodness was good on the spines and in the pow overall. this is where this ski is amazing, just effortless. not a daily driver but when there is snow even a bit of fresh it is great: poppy, lively.

The main ISSUE IMO of this ski is the durability: im 160 lbs even less and I blew the ski in pieces at full speed hitting some ice. i mean not a tinny scratch on the edge, the core of the ski blew and the tail was destroyed. line got me a new pair for that, thanks line. i ve seen people with similar issue.

13846040:Paddy75 said:
Thanks for all the info I've been hunting this stuff on Libs since feb this year. It's bloody hard to find.

It's nice to pick someone's brain that's skied so many of the Libs over time. - it's rare to find. I've tried contacting lib direct but got no love.

Ive loved my FF5 with dukes they've been awesome. Had them since 2014 Although Suited for more pow/back side of the mt, I found them to be surprisingly good front side too at slow and high speed. I come out from Aust and ski Jackson WY 6 weeks a year (it's all the holidays I can get) and mostly ski out of the gates there when the conditions permit.

I did set up 2 new skis the wreckreate 100 and the 115 this last season with the kingpin ( my first proper AT binding) and scarpa RS freedom. But they really kicked my arse. They were just too burly for me, I'd try turn these things and they'd just send me straight. ( I'm 6'3 and 90kg) I struggled both out the gates and inbounds too. I wasn't sure if the binding or new boot had anything to do with that feeling thou- any thoughts? I'd be interested to hear how you rate them. Would it be worth me trying these with an alpine binding/ boot?

At this stage I'm looking at getting rid of the wreckreate 100/115 and swing back on the UFO 115 and was very interested in the wunderstick as a 2 ski quiver. I noticed the other reviewer on evo with his at the top of Cody peak... Loves them everywhere- Apparently leaving his quiver behind gathering dust.

reading your post can you tell me if the ff5 and ufo115 are similar or different skis? The basic dimensions read the same they look the same on line but 2mm diff under foot not sure about the rocker /taper.

Im really trying to sort out my quiver for next trip over in Jan. Esp after the let down of the experience with the wreckreateS- it killed a week or so of my trip. It's hard now- i can't demo the Libs in Jackson anymore ( LINE either which is my other ski after the treehouse closed there) no one stocks them there which is surprising.

I have 2x King pins to play with

a duke and

Griffon

Open to advice

I want to be able to cover Laps on the pass, hikes off the tram and tear laps inbound with my 10yr old son... Not asking for much I know.., haha

Out of interest do you ride for lib? Or have any affiliation with them?

Have you had the chance to get on the sick day104 or pescado ... They're the other 2 skis I'm looking at- thanks again

Cheers

Paddy
 
Wow.. That's not cool... maching and having your shit blow out. Was it an issue with that particular ski or a common problem with the skis?

I've had my line Sick Day 95 186cm (130/95/115)

since 2013-14 and have loved it too. Got them with the ff5. They have both been great. The sick days held up pretty good. It's been a fun ski front side and can still get a lap out of bounds if the opportunity comes up. I haven't had any issues with the ski/bases on the sickdays they have been great. That's why I'm looking at the sickday 104 and prescado aswell as the lib UFO 115 and wunderstick.
 
13846160:Ginette007 said:
first thank you for your replies. Really cool!

I own the Pescado for a season now and I have ridden it a lot.

Just as backgroud, i live in the Alps. im 6foot and i have good technics due to moguls racing.

on hardpack the pescado can turn but at speed they start to shake a bit. The ski is light.

on chopped and variable snow condition the ski jusy destroys everything. it likes to go straight.on slush its mad fun. you can butter.

I spent quite some time in AK this season to ride steep and deep and the ski my goodness was good on the spines and in the pow overall. this is where this ski is amazing, just effortless. not a daily driver but when there is snow even a bit of fresh it is great: poppy, lively.

The main ISSUE IMO of this ski is the durability: im 160 lbs even less and I blew the ski in pieces at full speed hitting some ice. i mean not a tinny scratch on the edge, the core of the ski blew and the tail was destroyed. line got me a new pair for that, thanks line. i ve seen people with similar issue.

How fast were you going when they let go.. And how fast are you going when they start to give out?
 
13845855:kid-kapow said:
i have a lot of time on the old pows in 181, the freeride horsepowers in 179, and some on wundersticks in 182 and fff in 175. I have recently also gotten some UFOs - both 100 and 115 - and some wreck115, but have yet to ride any of them.

wundersticks (i wrote the review on evo's 18 wundersticks) - in general i like these a lot. Coming off the pows the shape was a bit unusual for me with significant tip taper, and they are quite a bit softer, especially in the tips. That being said, i have really gotten to like em. They are plenty stiff underfoot and in the rear, they carve well and the tips planes well as well. The wunders are the first mid wide ski that i have used in pow, and they were amazingly fun there. That being said, i have only six or so days on them (half of it in superwindblown coastal pow, the rest in superlight dry pow), so my experience is kind of limited.

I have always loved my pows, though to be honest, they are a bit too much skis for me when it gets tight in the trees or very steep - meaning in spots where big arcs are just unfeasible. My technique isn't good enough to muscle them around, and i am not the heaviest of riders either. They remain my favorite flat out ski though, and as my skills improve i am sure i will go back to them again and again. The wreck115s are softer than the pows and about 150grs or so ligher, but due to their lack of taper i expect them to maintain the charging characteristics of the pow. I also expect them to be equally fantastic in variable snow. I have set the wrecks up with some Tectons and they will see their fair share of resort based touring this year. The UFOs are significantly softer than the wrecks again. There is seemingly good support underneath your feet, but the tips and tails are a significantly softer. Together with the taper, i expect them to be an absolute riot in softer snow. I am also expecting them to be kind of like the wunders in that they are not the stiffest tip to tail, but still are tolerably damp and light weight aka good in variable snow. I am unsure how good they are as a charger though. The ufo100s are even softer than the 115s again - they are really quite soft, especially in the shovels, and a lot softer than the freeride horsepowers that i am replacing. I never got on very well with the horsys though - though they were fun to carve and bomb down the hill with - and it will be interesting to see how the UFO100s will behave. I think the decent support underfoot combined with soft shovels front and back will make em very versatile, though it will be interesting to see if they get chatty at high speed in variable conditions.

I guess the big news from Mervin is that they will soon release Wundersticks in a 118 version, and personally i think those will be a better fit for me than the UFO115s. That being said i will stay on the UFOs for this season and potentially get the 118s for next year - unless the UFOs turn out to be poor at charging (i expect they will be very playful) :) I only rode the ff5 three days to try a shorter ski. I tried them in the 175 length and the pows in 171. Both were very fun skis indeed, but in the end i found out i prefer longer skis. Overall i prefer the shapes of the UFOs over the FFFs.

and yeah, finding info on Lib skis is not the easiest. Two of the best sources on new info on Lib skis are what i gather are two of their ski developers, found on instagram as Crawdad41 and adamcu280. The wunder118 information got dropped by the former two days ago, though they have seemingly been on the skis since at least mid last season and have been dropping steady hints ever since :)

**This post was edited on Oct 17th 2017 at 2:09:31pm

I've been hunting info on Libs since feb this year. It's bloody hard to find.

It's nice to pick someone's brain that's skied so many of the Libs over time. - it's rare to find. I've tried contacting lib direct but got no love.

Ive loved my FF5 with dukes they've been awesome. Had them since 2014 Although Suited for more pow/back side of the mt, I found them to be surprisingly good front side too at slow and high speed. I come out from Aust and ski Jackson WY 6 weeks a year (it's all the holidays I can get) and mostly ski out of the gates there when the conditions permit.

I did set up 2 new skis the wreckreate 100 and the 115 this last season with the kingpin ( my first proper AT binding) and scarpa RS freedom. But they really kicked my arse. They were just too burly for me, I'd try turn these things and they'd just send me straight. ( I'm 6'3 and 90kg) I struggled both out the gates and inbounds too. I wasn't sure if the binding or new boot had anything to do with that feeling thou- any thoughts? I'd be interested to hear how you rate them. Would it be worth me trying these with an alpine binding/ boot?

At this stage I'm looking at getting rid of the wreckreate 100/115 and swing back on the UFO 115 and was very interested in the wunderstick as a 2 ski quiver. I noticed the other reviewer on evo with his at the top of Cody peak... Loves them everywhere- Apparently leaving his quiver behind gathering dust.

reading your post can you tell me if the ff5 and ufo115 are similar or different skis? The basic dimensions read the same they look the same on line but 2mm diff under foot not sure about the rocker /taper.

Im really trying to sort out my quiver for next trip over in Jan. Esp after the let down of the experience with the wreckreateS- it killed a week or so of my trip. It's hard now- i can't demo the Libs in Jackson anymore ( LINE either which is my other ski after the treehouse closed there) no one stocks them there which is surprising.

I have 2x King pins to play with

a duke and

Griffon

Open to advice

I want to be able to cover Laps on the pass, hikes off the tram and tear laps inbound with my 10yr old son... Not asking for much I know.., haha

Out of interest do you ride for lib? Or have any affiliation with them?

Have you had the chance to get on the sick day104 or pescado ... They're the other 2 skis I'm looking at- thanks again
 
i'll hit you up with a more in depth answer tomorrow - too pressed for time right now, but no - i do not ride for them. I just like the brand, having transitioned from 15years as a snowboarder back to skis some years ago and wanting to stay with lib (i must be the only one in the world that thought the NAS moniker was amusing). Since i cannot demo them - like you - and constantly obsess over my quiver, i reverted to just buying a lot of them at really good prices from online sales, so as to gain insight in how different shapes rides and figuring out what i like. And yes, it kinda went a bit overboard over the last year, but oh well. The exercise was partially caused by the pows occasionally being too demanding for my less than perfect technique, and as i said - that the horsys (being quite a bit stiffer than the freeride/wrekc 100s) and i never got along famously though i skied them a lot and enjoyed them. That being said, i truly love the pows and look forward to the day when i will be so powerful a skier that i can always get them to do what i want them to do, but alas ;)

as for the other skis you mention, check out blister review and their takes on em. If i was to get another non-lib ski, i would personally try the moment blister/bibby pros based on blister's scorching endorsement of them. I am also extremely curious about the ON3P range - especially the Billy Goats, and was very surprised when powder listed the Billy Goats as a playful ski (i thought they were chargy like wreck115s, and having hand flexed them i can tell you that they are equally stiff as the old pows). I almost got some Pescados last year as i really like their design and the thought that has gone into it, but in the end, i found the reviews to single them out as too much of a niche ski (surprise surprise) not ideally suited for the terrain i usually ride in - and went for the UFO115s instead. The main reason i got the wreck115s was due to them being discontinued and due to the 171s being so different in their flex to their older pow 181 siblings.
 
13846181:kid-kapow said:
i'll hit you up with a more in depth answer tomorrow - too pressed for time right now, but no - i do not ride for them. I just like the brand, having transitioned from 15years as a snowboarder back to skis some years ago and wanting to stay with lib (i must be the only one in the world that thought the NAS moniker was amusing). Since i cannot demo them - like you - and constantly obsess over my quiver, i reverted to just buying a lot of them at really good prices from online sales, so as to gain insight in how different shapes rides and figuring out what i like. And yes, it kinda went a bit overboard over the last year, but oh well. The exercise was partially caused by the pows occasionally being too demanding for my less than perfect technique, and as i said - that the horsys (being quite a bit stiffer than the freeride/wrekc 100s) and i never got along famously though i skied them a lot and enjoyed them. That being said, i truly love the pows and look forward to the day when i will be so powerful a skier that i can always get them to do what i want them to do, but alas ;)

as for the other skis you mention, check out blister review and their takes on em. If i was to get another non-lib ski, i would personally try the moment blister/bibby pros based on blister's scorching endorsement of them. I am also extremely curious about the ON3P range - especially the Billy Goats, and was very surprised when powder listed the Billy Goats as a playful ski (i thought they were chargy like wreck115s, and having hand flexed them i can tell you that they are equally stiff as the old pows). I almost got some Pescados last year as i really like their design and the thought that has gone into it, but in the end, i found the reviews to single them out as too much of a niche ski (surprise surprise) not ideally suited for the terrain i usually ride in - and went for the UFO115s instead. The main reason i got the wreck115s was due to them being discontinued and due to the 171s being so different in their flex to their older pow 181 siblings.

All good mate , no rush on the time front - I've got until Jan to sort it out... Heaps of time

Reading your last it sounds like we are in a very similar position. I get super stoked on my gear... Can't help myself.... that's just how it is... And Working on my skiing to charge harder.

Living on the beach in Aust I've got my surfboards dialled in... now just want to do the same with the next ski quiver. It makes such a difference when youre on the right gear.

My snowboarding mates live in JH put me on the lib and the lines. I demo'd a whole bunch of skis/brands at the time but I just Love the Libs and lines .. My issue is I only get 6 wks skiing a year and it ain't long enough.. But at this stage it's all I got to play with.

I've been hunting info since the start of the year and it's only just coming thru on this site now. Have become a blister member and been intouch with them recently too.

They haven't reviewed any lib yet which surprised me. I'm also looking at the other skis you mention .. I'm Waiting for their gear guide to drop. It's not far way

Thanks for your thoughts again appreciate it

Cheers

Paddy
 
13846196:Ginette007 said:
straightline and hit ice. the skis exploded. should not have. i did not loose the ski my binding were on 13DIN

Shit what did they say/ do about it ?did they find a manufacturing ?issue with the ski
 
13846621:Ginette007 said:
well, the distributor gave me a new pair for free. they accepted the return. they did not comment on the durability.

Any issues with the new pair?

Have you been skiing them as hard?

Ive been looking at that ski for a while I thought it would be a great ski for Jackson pow days.
 
hm, after noticing that the pows and wreck115s were not identical, i measured them. Turns out they're not, with the latter being 2mm wider front and back than the pows. I do not know if this is caused by them having a slightly smaller radius, or if there is a slight early taper on the pows. Both wrecks were identical though, so i do not think it is simply some skis being off. With the slightly softer flex overall - especially in the shovels - it will be interesting to see how they perform. The pow is stiffer yet more sidecut/effective edge joint with wider shovels that are softer in flex might just make the wrecks even more chargy. Exciting!

the wunders/ufos were all on spec.

to you're points - I do not think a kingpin setup would ride significantly harsher than a alpine front end, though, to be fair, unlike the vipecs i have been sporting the elasticity in the front on the kingpins is very limited. Then again, from my experience the wrecks' predecessors is that they are kinda chargy so i expect the new wrecks are as well. So if that is not what you are looking for, then they might not be an optimum fit. That being said, i have found them to be really fun and easy to control in all settings were one can simply let speed make the skis do the job for you, but in scenarios were that is not possible - super steep (aka too steep to just haul unless you want to end the season if you fall) or in super tight trees - the wider skis are a bit of a handful, the 100s less so. I think the pows/wrecks are designed to charge, to constantly be on edge and carve - and as that is what i like to do, we get along famously most of the time. I am thinking that the ufo's will respond well to similar riding, but be a lot easier to manipulate in the steep/tight scenarios, and generally be a more playful ski. I am not sure how the softer shovels will respond in denser coastal pow, especially if it is windblown, but time will tell. Too bad you are not here in the old world - i would sell you the ufos real cheap to get on the wunder118s instead ;)

a wunder 106/118 quiver might be a more versatile setup though - more so than swapping cold turkey from wrecks to ufo's, and i am really looking forward to getting more info on the 118s, especially with regards to chamber/rocker-profile. If they are fully rockered, waiting until 2018/19 might prove too much of a task.

if you want to consider other skis i would check out the bibbys/blisters or some black crows noctas in the powder department. I too like Line, but i am not sure what ski in their line up that would be suited for your needs. I like the smaller brands more though. I am also super keen to try some 2018 on3p billy goats, though i think those are bit on the chargy side - that is, they are stiff as a mofo out of the box. I am also really curious about the 4frnt lineup. The mix of full rocker and longer sidecuts could be fun, though - to be honest - the only ski i ever hated that i have owned were som 4frnt crjs.

as for the wunders - what i really liked about them is that they really work quite well in pow, yet are super positive to carve with in all snow conditions. One can really drive the tips of the skis and make them go were you want them to do, and really lay into the turns. That being said, i am 176cms and not in particular heavy, and i am riding the 182s. So, if you are in 180/185cm+ range, then they might not have a size that fit you ideally. My issue with the fffs in 175 were landings into softer snow where i would get pitched forward. I really enjoyed riding them around on harder/variable snow, but did not like the planing "plank" feeling i got in not too deep snow or deep snow followed by said pitching forward when i landed. The wrecks worked a lot better in that regard, and held an edge beautifully - even if the tips bounce around (like the other guy on evo pointed out), the floaty shovel/tip joined with a shorter back end and narrower waist made the rear settle into the snow, yet the ski stayed afloat perfectly. I dunno. The last day i rode em last year was the best day of the season for me, so to be fair, that is more than likely making me be superpositive when i describe them. Then again, i had the 175fffs and the 171pows in my car, and never once considered to ride them again after i got on the wunders.

all the libs are plenty light for resort based touring, or the occasional full blown tour. I got some lighter touring skis this year just to try how carbon skis ride, though i am not positive that i had done the same again. My quiver is too large presently, and a wunder106/118 with some lighter walking/expedition skis would be sweet/light enough + easy to mange quiver-wise. Instead of the three boot x 9x skis debacle i went with..... And that is not even counting the mega pows i have decided to sell... I world problems, yes indeed.
 
13847262:kid-kapow said:
hm, after noticing that the pows and wreck115s were not identical, i measured them. Turns out they're not, with the latter being 2mm wider front and back than the pows. I do not know if this is caused by them having a slightly smaller radius, or if there is a slight early taper on the pows. Both wrecks were identical though, so i do not think it is simply some skis being off. With the slightly softer flex overall - especially in the shovels - it will be interesting to see how they perform. The pow is stiffer yet more sidecut/effective edge joint with wider shovels that are softer in flex might just make the wrecks even more chargy. Exciting!

the wunders/ufos were all on spec.

to you're points - I do not think a kingpin setup would ride significantly harsher than a alpine front end, though, to be fair, unlike the vipecs i have been sporting the elasticity in the front on the kingpins is very limited. Then again, from my experience the wrecks' predecessors is that they are kinda chargy so i expect the new wrecks are as well. So if that is not what you are looking for, then they might not be an optimum fit. That being said, i have found them to be really fun and easy to control in all settings were one can simply let speed make the skis do the job for you, but in scenarios were that is not possible - super steep (aka too steep to just haul unless you want to end the season if you fall) or in super tight trees - the wider skis are a bit of a handful, the 100s less so. I think the pows/wrecks are designed to charge, to constantly be on edge and carve - and as that is what i like to do, we get along famously most of the time. I am thinking that the ufo's will respond well to similar riding, but be a lot easier to manipulate in the steep/tight scenarios, and generally be a more playful ski. I am not sure how the softer shovels will respond in denser coastal pow, especially if it is windblown, but time will tell. Too bad you are not here in the old world - i would sell you the ufos real cheap to get on the wunder118s instead ;)

a wunder 106/118 quiver might be a more versatile setup though - more so than swapping cold turkey from wrecks to ufo's, and i am really looking forward to getting more info on the 118s, especially with regards to chamber/rocker-profile. If they are fully rockered, waiting until 2018/19 might prove too much of a task.

if you want to consider other skis i would check out the bibbys/blisters or some black crows noctas in the powder department. I too like Line, but i am not sure what ski in their line up that would be suited for your needs. I like the smaller brands more though. I am also super keen to try some 2018 on3p billy goats, though i think those are bit on the chargy side - that is, they are stiff as a mofo out of the box. I am also really curious about the 4frnt lineup. The mix of full rocker and longer sidecuts could be fun, though - to be honest - the only ski i ever hated that i have owned were som 4frnt crjs.

as for the wunders - what i really liked about them is that they really work quite well in pow, yet are super positive to carve with in all snow conditions. One can really drive the tips of the skis and make them go were you want them to do, and really lay into the turns. That being said, i am 176cms and not in particular heavy, and i am riding the 182s. So, if you are in 180/185cm+ range, then they might not have a size that fit you ideally. My issue with the fffs in 175 were landings into softer snow where i would get pitched forward. I really enjoyed riding them around on harder/variable snow, but did not like the planing "plank" feeling i got in not too deep snow or deep snow followed by said pitching forward when i landed. The wrecks worked a lot better in that regard, and held an edge beautifully - even if the tips bounce around (like the other guy on evo pointed out), the floaty shovel/tip joined with a shorter back end and narrower waist made the rear settle into the snow, yet the ski stayed afloat perfectly. I dunno. The last day i rode em last year was the best day of the season for me, so to be fair, that is more than likely making me be superpositive when i describe them. Then again, i had the 175fffs and the 171pows in my car, and never once considered to ride them again after i got on the wunders.

all the libs are plenty light for resort based touring, or the occasional full blown tour. I got some lighter touring skis this year just to try how carbon skis ride, though i am not positive that i had done the same again. My quiver is too large presently, and a wunder106/118 with some lighter walking/expedition skis would be sweet/light enough + easy to mange quiver-wise. Instead of the three boot x 9x skis debacle i went with..... And that is not even counting the mega pows i have decided to sell... I world problems, yes indeed.

Ah... Yes 1st world problems.

I know them well hahaha

I really like the look of the wunderstick. And the few people I've talked to rate them well so I'd say that will be the go. I noticed the talk about the 118 wunderstick on Insta ... Shame it's not coming out his season. If not then it's the UFO 115 (185) that will be the go from lib

I might even put the duke on these wreckreate 100 and see how it goes... Maybe not kick my arse so hard with the alpine set up. I joined he blister review will run it past those guys after the blister review drops next week
 
i think the wunder118s will be a late release like the wunder106s were last season. That makes sense in terms of the line up after they made the wreck115s into wreck110s. Or to rephrase - it would surprise me a lot more if they were not released as limited run ski this season than if the are ;)
 
topic:Ginette007 said:
Fellows,

Have you tried the Lib Tech UFO 115? I suppose it is a good pow stick but what about charging in various snow conditions? Is it stable for example like a Candide 4.0? My ski of reference but I broke it so I am looking for another pair :)

Thanks for your help.

Ga

Did you end up getting the UFO 115s? If you did, what do you think of them?
 
13991498:Ginette007 said:
yes. I skied them last season. great ski. light and poppy

How did they do when the pow was tracked out? Obviously they aren't a crud buster, but did they at least hold up to some chop?
 
13991534:tino_ said:
How did they do when the pow was tracked out? Obviously they aren't a crud buster, but did they at least hold up to some chop?

it s a crud buster no problem to go fast anywhere
 
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