Letter about tyler, the creator

CliffyByro

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this is a couple of months old but i just found it yesterday, and i thought some people might find it interesting. it's an open letter concerning tyler, the creator written by sara quinn of indie band tegan and sara and posted on their website. i'm no OF expert, but i still think she is way off the mark with her arguments and accusations. i'll let you guys make your minds up though:

"A CALL FOR CHANGE

When will misogynistic and homophobic ranting and raving result in

meaningful repercussions in the entertainment industry? When will they

be treated with the same seriousness as racist and anti-Semitic

offenses? While an artist who can barely get a sentence fragment out

without using homophobic slurs is celebrated on the cover of every

magazine, blog and newspaper, I’m disheartened that any self-respecting

human being could stand in support with a message so vile.

As journalists and colleagues defend, excuse and congratulate ‘Tyler,

the Creator,’ I find it impossible not to comment. In any other industry

would I be expected to tolerate, overlook and find deeper meaning in

this kid’s sickening rhetoric? Why should I care about this music or its

“brilliance” when the message is so repulsive and irresponsible? There

is much that upsets me in this world, and this certainly isn’t the first

time I’ve drafted an open letter or complaint, but in the past I’ve

found an opinion – some like-minded commentary – that let me rest

assured that my outrage, my voice, had been accounted for. Not this

time.

If any of the bands whose records are held in similar esteem as Goblin

had lyrics littered with rape fantasies and slurs, would they be labeled

hate mongers? I realize I could ask that question of DOZENS of other

artists, but is Tyler exempt because people are afraid of the backlash?

The inevitable claim that detractors are being racist, or the brush-off

that not “getting it” would indicate that you’re “old” (or a faggot)?

Because, the more I think about it, the more I think people don’t

actually want to go up against this particular bully because he’s

popular. Who sticks up for women and gay people now? It seems entirely

uncool to do so in the indie rock world, and I’ll argue that point with

ANYONE.

No genre is without its controversial and offensive characters- I’m not

naive. I’ve asked myself a thousand times why this is pushing me over

the edge. Maybe it’s the access to him (his grotesque twitter, etc).

Maybe it’s because I’m a human being, both a girl and a lesbian. Maybe

it’s because my mom has spent her whole adult life working with teenage

girls who were victims of sexual assault. Maybe it’s because in this

case I don’t think race or class actually has anything to do with his

hateful message but has EVERYTHING to do with why everyone refuses to

admonish him for that message.

It is not without great hesitation and hand wringing that I enter into

the discourse about Tyler, the media who glorifies and excuses misogyny

and homophobia, and the community of artists that doesn’t seem remotely

bothered by it. I can only hope that someone reading this might be

inspired to speak out. At the very least, I will know that my voice is

on record.

skq"

discuss.

also i searchbarred and nothing came up, so i apologise if this is a repost.

inb4 tl;dr
 
meh i wouldn't go that far. I mean I strongly dislike his music and all rap in general. Personally I wish mtv had experts pick winners and not people. Of course if some little girl finds that lady gaga is in best video with a message she will be all over her friends and herself voting for her. my mtv vma rant is done here.
 
HAH, WHAT A BITCH!

REMINDS ME OF WHEN I GET CALLED OUT BY BITCH MOMS FOR SKIING TOO FAST IN THE PARK OR SOMETHING.
 
Hahaha did anyone see the tweet he posted after she wrote that?

It was like " if either of the quin's need some hard dick hit me up"

Fuck yeah tyler

I mean, I would agree with the points she was making if i didn't know that tyler was being 100% sarcastic/ironic.
 
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From Tyler...

"It hurts me when people can't see beyond the first layer. They don't listen to the word play, or the patterns we use in the song, or the vocabulary we use. They just look at the word 'sodomise,' or 'rape,' or 'bitch' or some shit, and just go like 'Oh my god, did you hear what he just said?' No, did you hear how he said it? The terms he used to say it?

A lot of people take stuff too seriously. So some of the time it's actually for them, my subconscious doing it on purpose, just to piss them off. I want people to take that stuff too seriously, especially shit like that. But, just, whatever. I try to preach be yourself and do what you want. It's not our fault if they're fucking dumb enough to believe this shit ... I just turned 20. I'm just living life and having as much fun as I can. I don't think about shit like that.

I'm not homophobic. I just think fa**ot hits and hurts people. It hits. And gay just means you're stupid. I don't know, we don't think about it, we're just kids. We don't think about that shit. But I don't hate gay people. I don't want anyone to think I'm homophobic. ([His friend] Jasper walks into the room) But he's a fucking f**got!
 
someone please post the video where he basiclly explains himself and the way he is. it's great. I love his attitude.
 
cool, he's homophobic and hates the majority of the world. why take it personally? sheit gurl mind yo own damn bidniss.

FYI i'm still a fan, so if any of you are offended by him you are just retarded.
 
I don't really like his music, but to be honest, racisim and sexism and anything along the lines is just fucking dumb.

Every single person in the world is prejudice to an extent, and anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant. We need to stop complaining about this shit and just move on.
 
this letter made it worse, since he was able to make his dick sucking twitter comment, it only lets everyone know how much of a hardass he is.
 
I'm really getting sick of people condemning anybody who says the word "fag" to be a homophobe. It's like people think their own inability to understand context somehow makes another person's vocabulary unacceptable. It's absurd. The meaning of the word has evolved way past simply being a derogatory term for homosexuals.

A person can be homophobic without saying the word "fag," and a person that says the word "fag" might be completely unhomophobic. If I say homosexuality should be illegal because it is immoral, that is ten times more homophobic than calling my friend a fag for killing me in Halo. The use of the word "fag" does not determine whether somebody is being homophobic.

 
slightly unrelated, but yesterday i noticed a youtube comment on 'yonkers' saying something along the lines of "this shit is fake, he doesn't really eat that, and he doesn't hang himself (etc etc)" (completely serious as well). some people are so fucking stupid haha
 
I like them both, no need to be so butthurt about it, I'm just saying tyler the creator isn't gonna put me in a jolly mood whereas tegan and sara could.
 
sid is a lesbian

if he was as homophobic as everyone makes him out to be i don't think she'd be a part of odd future

everyone believes everyone he says but look at black metal. the shit they're saying is way more fucked up
 
Not a fan of their music and am in no way sticking up for him, but in 5 years he will still be doing a hell of a lot better financially than you are/ever will, even if nobody remembers him.
 
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